Chapter 40-2 Monsters

[Unit]

So basically from what I am gathering.....

#1) Ink knew something was going to happen and was prepared for it.

#2) Ink knew that he could be bitten and would be able to control the others.

#3) Puck had a good idea.

#4) Pegs needs to keep her eye on Michael and Kelly.

I am curious how you came to the conclusions for #1 and #2? They might be true, but I am not seeing either of those from what we have so far

[Unit]

The fact that the biters stayed outside of the van for THIRTY minutes on the day of the outbreak says that something out of the ordinary was happening. People had to be running in every direction, and these two are never distracted from trying to get in to get Roberts.

Just like with the DVR early on, these parts are tough because they fast forwarded so we don't know what actually happened during that 30 minutes. Did they just stand there? Did they leave and were called back? Who knows?

[Elisa]

the only way i could see that happening is a last-ditch effort to save someone that was just bit. i couldn't see anyone volunteering for an injection of Saul or Tanya's blood.

sidenote:
does Tanya sound a bit... unstable to anyone else?
when she panics, she really panics.

Tanya is a vet, not a survivalist like the rest. I doubt she had to fight, run and face the zeds like most of the others, plus she ain't a young pup. Give her a break

[Verse]

I think Ink was turned. Unless we get a secret Ink Journal that they find, odds are that we will never have 100% no shadow of a doubt proof. I just find it odd that if he wasn't turned and such, why did he wait for 30 min before he got out? If he knew he could control them before hand, as soon as the screaming stopped he would have hopped out and went "Awesome. Lets go" not wait for 30 min and kick open a door. Even if it were locked we know he control them with verbal commands at times. He told them to stop with CJ. He could have went "Open the Dang door". Instead he waited. My guess is that he had a turning period. Slowish. That 30 min was him turning.

Side note: Any thoughts of Wind? Like the Haze traveling via the wind? No clue of how windy it is around those areas. Maybe that is how it moved so fast (If that is what turned ppl). After a certain distance it was just not thick enough. Like smoke from a fire.

[UndeadSweeper]

I think Ink was turned. Unless we get a secret Ink Journal that they find, odds are that we will never have 100% no shadow of a doubt proof. I just find it odd that if he wasn't turned and such, why did he wait for 30 min before he got out? If he knew he could control them before hand, as soon as the screaming stopped he would have hopped out and went "Awesome. Lets go" not wait for 30 min and kick open a door. Even if it were locked we know he control them with verbal commands at times. He told them to stop with CJ. He could have went "Open the Dang door". Instead he waited. My guess is that he had a turning period. Slowish. That 30 min was him turning.

Side note: Any thoughts of Wind? Like the Haze traveling via the wind? No clue of how windy it is around those areas. Maybe that is how it moved so fast (If that is what turned ppl). After a certain distance it was just not thick enough. Like smoke from a fire.

I think the 30 mins was the result of the meds he was on keep him calm. If you remember Tommy once he turned he was aggressive and every creatures we have come in contact with is the same. We know that Ink is different as well as every other smart one we have observe.

[Unit]

Have we ever seen him eat human flesh? To me, he is just a tattooed man who has solved his marriage issues ... differently.

Wasn't he spotted in the arena 'playing' with his food?

[Unit]

I think the 30 mins was the result of the meds he was on keep him calm. If you remember Tommy once he turned he was in aggressive and every creatures we have come in contact with is the same. We know that Ink is different as well as every other smart one we have observe.

I mentioned this before in another thread. I personally think this is why he is so different from the rest. I think the meds that he was on to keep him calm and keep his psychosis under control is what also keep his turning semi under control and allowed him to keep one foot in the normal human world with some of his memories and smarts intact.

[Unit]

I like what most everyone is saying. Just had a couple thoughts about CJ. Why is she so stuck on needing power and fuel to keep everything going? As good of a planner as she is and all the resources she accumulated, why hasn't she thought about how people lived long before power and gas? You would think a supply run to a local library for every book you can grab from their how too section would get you info on how to build a windmill to use as a water pump, as well as building a root cellar to store food, a greenhouse to grow food year round (though CA weather is pretty conducive to long growing seasons anyway), building wind turbines for when power would REALLY be needed. Seems like all of the problems she mentions with the exception of ammo and gas for the gun trucks could be easily solved.

Which takes me to point number 2. CJ seems stressed out of her mind, and despite that she is still unwilling to share information easily. Most great leaders have a council, or cabinet of people who help them understand problems and find solutions. Rarely is the head leader the most knowledgable person in the group, they need the smarts of others, and then use their own leadership skills to implement plans. CJ seems to be always missing that council aspect. She wants to be the person who knows everything and always has the answers. Even when Pegs is trying to get inside and help CJ open up, and is offering to help, she basically has to beg CJ to let her help. And her ideas are actually good ones. If CJ would open up to the rest of the Colony (or even a select trusted few) who knows what ideas and plans they would generate?

[Grognaurd]

Yup, the difference between Michael's "Datu, fix!" and her micromanagement style is telling.

[Unit]

Even beyond that, Michael would council with Angel, and Saul; sometimes even Burt and Kelly and Pegs. They talked things through. Often times the good idea that was implemented came from someone other than Michael. With CJ she says things like 'I have some ideas but I'm not certain yet' and will go off on her own to make decisions. Or she will say 'This isn't your problem to worry about' like she did to Pegs. She wants to keep everyone else on the outside while she comes up with all the ideas, hashes them out and them makes a decision, but it always seems to be on her own.

And yeah once she has made a decision on the best plan she micromanages like you said, because she has already done all the mental analysis on her own, so in her mind there is only one right way now to make this all work and so she wants to make sure nobody screws up her perfectly devised plan.