Chapter 35-2 The End is Near

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Originally Posted by Litmaster

Lit's Criticism
Ok, it seems a bit of a stretch at this point that a whole zombie army would mobilize and chase after one fleeing car with a couple of guys in it, so I'm going to have to call bullshit on the rationale for the zombie attack unless Kc reveals a bit more feasible explanation (such as, that it was just a handful of stray zombies that followed and not a full, organized ZomArmy). Damn, is food really that scarce in LA nowadays?

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One thing I'll throw out there- As I tread lightly in my responses. There is a delay of when the episode has the false ending. In other words a small amount of time has passed between the two scenes when Victor sees the things and when they first arrive.

Not much to give you, but, well, there it is.

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Originally Posted by osiris

rip

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hahahahahahahahahahahaha!......

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch

Tanya's abduction takes place in Chapter 23, Part 1, The Devil's Workshop



Michael describes the Smart One that grabbed Tanya as having, "long brown hair and dirty beard," right before he shouts, "Randy!"

Here's an artist's impression:

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Actually laughing at this, not the RIP above.

RIP

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Originally Posted by Kc

One thing I'll throw out there- As I tread lightly in my responses. There is a delay of when the episode has the false ending. In other words a small amount of time has passed between the two scenes when Victor sees the things and when they first arrive.

Not much to give you, but, well, there it is.

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Started listening to this podcast last week and I'm already caught up. Love it, doing a great Job KC keep it up. Anyway to the point. I am of the opinion that this attack has been planned for a long time. Through out the series we have seen Zombies "following" (Boulder, Colony, Fort Irwin) people to their strongholds. I think that Ink has been planning an attack on the colony/Boulder/Irwin but could not find them.

As we have seen, all of the Zombies had almost entirely dissappeared from the story. This tells me Ink was not only doing more experiments, but also gathering his forces for a large scale offensive. The only issue was, he didn't know where the strongholds were (Colony, Boulder, Irwin). Therefore, we can deduce that Ink knew there were human strongholds, but didn't know where they were.

So, He firgured "Why not follow them" thus we have those nasty bastards hanging on to Choppers and following survivors to figure out where their strongest holdouts are. You could even say some of the "late changers" are creations of Ink i.e. maybe he created Zombies that, when they bite, their infection is a slow reaction kind of infection. That way he can plant infected into large populations and take them out from the inside out. Look if Ink can create whatever the hell those numbered little guys that change into 10 feet tall freakshows then I wouldn't put it past him.
Opinions? Theories?

Great episode, I wonder how the Colony will be able to handle the zombie attack. With the previous episode as foreshadowing there are probably two ways in which this will probably turn out. One is total annihilation, the colonists call Fort Irwin, but before they can get help, they are killed. Two, the sat phone isn't working right, but the colonists try to call for an SOS, Irwin can't receive the message properly, so they have a delayed response. I see the story going in either of these two general directions. Also, I really hope CJ survives to the next season, we may potentially see ourselves with another handicap character.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

But having it on this episode this raises another question: based on what Tanya found out them zeehs are living beings after all with full metabolism and stuff ... And considering the odds that most likely about 50%, or just maybe half of all of the zeehs were male humans, what about their beard-growth; and what about at least about 100%, or just all zeehs having having hair ... What about theirs?
Having the marked hairy zeeh here may point towards a totally new species/ kind of zeehs ...
All the best!
Liam

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I wondered about this too. Wouldn't they have long hair and beards. In fact, I would have expected EVERYONE to have some issue with rampant hair growth. We hear Michael mention his overgrown beard in the Colony but that seems to be all that I remember. There were discussions of the women tying to keep their hair clean without water and the use of baby wipes, so hygiene has been discussed.

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Originally Posted by Litmaster

Randy's Army?
I was trying to find the part awhile back when Zombie Randy had the attempted kidnapping of Tanya, but I couldn't find it yet. Does anyone remember if there is mention of Randy having long hair and a beard?

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chapter 23-1 at approx. 11:00 "long brown hair and dirty beard" Michael shot his arm which made him drop Tanya.

Michael also says he fired several shots as Randy ran away and "might have hit him again, but I couldn't tell."
Now Victor describes the bearded zombie as having "markings on his face", telling Saul it "has a tattoo mark on his face, I think" "this one's just got one mark on his face..." Victor is looking at a long distance through binoculars, so maybe he is seeing where one of Micheal's bullets hit Randy in the face and is mistaking it for a tattoo.

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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch

Tanya's abduction takes place in Chapter 23, Part 1, The Devil's Workshop



Michael describes the Smart One that grabbed Tanya as having, "long brown hair and dirty beard," right before he shouts, "Randy!"

Here's an artist's impression:

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lol

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Originally Posted by MenashaCorpse

Final Sound
To me, it sounded like that final sound was one of the Little Ones (aka Inklings). It would be interesting to 'see' an attack with both the behemoths and Little Ones together, which I don't think we've seen yet. Anyway, we are lacking a lot of information on the zombies themselves... information which I hope will be provided in abundance in the next season...



PEACE!

Good thought. I wondered about that little sound; a word? A howl? Maybe I'll run it through some software.

OK I'm back. It was indeed Macho Man (Randy) saying Ooooooooooooooyyyyeeeeeaaaahhhhh!!!!

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lmao

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Originally Posted by buzzbros2002

Just remember this. If CJ gets amputated, we'll have two pegs's on the show. I'll show myself out now.

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rofl

Who else really doesn't care much for CJ? I didn't really like her from the get go. I found her annoying and just plain to bossy. I understand the need for control and order and someone to be the lead but I hated how in earlier episodes she didn't want go help lizzie.

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

Now in this case I would see it less as an oddity among the undead and more as an oddity for people in general..at least in current (2009) L.A. A man with long hair and a beard will stand out far more prominently than a regular dude...

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Ok, didn't know that. Makes totally sense and renders any of my thoughts about it as meaningless. Pointless. Not to mention: senseless. Inferior.

This brings up an interesting point - all of the male zombies should have beards, which makes the description of Randy odd. It will be intriguing to see where he's going with this, using randy instead of Ink as a plot device/antagonist.

It's odd that the whole "families" subplot is turning into a dead end though, as all of the family members aside from scratch are now dead (at least that we know of, but it would be mighty coincidental to see a new family member pop up)

Maybe, if not probably, the whole The Family-thing was especially important regarding Angel and-slash-or his conflict with Scratch as well as the confrontation between Durai and Scratch; no time else The Family played a role. I guess this case is closed, no more The Family stuff.

But more family-stuff (broad understading of family) to come with three Tink-generations to come - Henry <-> Lizzy/ Saul <-> Tanya (/Burt) on one side and Datu <-> Hope on another AND maybe even Michael/Pegs <-> ? ...

Ok, I can't exactly search for the image here at work but my prediction for CJ is she will now be peg legged, BUT with a M16 equip with M203 a la Rose McGowan in the Grindhouse flick

all those in favor say :yay: !

Long time I did not comment.

I am so excited for this series, great drama. I believe we will see the colony and Irwin all falling and people scattering, season 4 will be about all for one scenarios, things so bad people betraying theirs to get to survive one more day... and if not this in KC I Trust (I should put that behind my bills and see who gets one of those)

also my wife is studding medicine and so far she told me the way CJ is now and the lack of proper care and treatment, that she is a goner (if in real life scenario)

to sos63. no but if you listen carfully somone says that everybody goes to play with her in her room (lady) and that Mr. whiskers :kitty stays in Pegs's room.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Skittles assessments have already proven to be wrong regarding behemoths. However, it could be said that normal biters don't go near behemoths. Advanced ones (like Randy/TOWTM) seem to be able to make them coexist with biters.

I'm going back to my Burt isn't going to kill Scratch thing. Him surviving this and bringing himself even with the house as it were put Burt's survival back in play to me. I think he isn't out of the woods yet, but its hard to see how he goes now with the expressed reason for not breaking under Scratch torture.

The next time we see the Mallers, it's not going to be good. Not for our heroes like you might believe, but most likely the Mallers. They are small, weak, and have no place to go. They have no supplies, no place to hide, and they lost their cozy way of life because Scratch can't keep her knife in her pants and out of CJs leg, and Bixby's throat. The Mallers seem to be ok when they have groups to steal from/terrorize. Without that, they may lack a focus. Their time in this world is dwindling, and the zombies return to the storyline is the proof to me.

I saw back in the thread somewhere someone saying the double attack being coordinated. Remember that Irwin's attack is coincidental and caused by one turner in a group of survivors. The survivors ran to safety and brought the zombies. The apparent Randy led attack, while also coincidental to Pete leading them to the colony, is an orchestrated attack. Remember that behemoths, smart ones etc are new down south. The colony up against opponents they've never faced.

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Is that a concession of Burt's potential survival I hear? :excited:

.....boy am I gonna be eating those words in the next year.....

Anyways, yea, a few people have pointed out instances of skittles being wrong....I still think they'll be much like a caged beast, in which they listen to their 'master' (being Randy/Ink or the like) but in the heat of a battle...have the potential to attack their own kind (normal Z's) when let off the leash (so to speak)

Just wanted to make the observation. Again, this Probably-Randy-One-With-Markings (PROWM....yea, I said it) is a potential Behemoth Whisperer. Maybe it's like 15-20 behemoths just stampeding like wildebeests....Let's just hope they don't trample Mufasa

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Maybe, if not probably, the whole The Family-thing was especially important regarding Angel and-slash-or his conflict with Scratch as well as the confrontation between Durai and Scratch; no time else The Family played a role. I guess this case is closed, no more The Family stuff.

But more family-stuff (broad understading of family) to come with three Tink-generations to come - Henry <-> Lizzy/ Saul <-> Tanya (/Burt) on one side and Datu <-> Hope on another AND maybe even Michael/Pegs <-> ? ...

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I can't accept that. Kc has stated that things are planned far in advance and from a storytelling perspective, it would invalidate so much that the story would not and could not feel complete without some closure. But the problem lies in that Scratch could show up and give a whole diatribe about her ring and the families and the rest of the characters would just shrug their shoulders and shoot her in the face.

I felt from the beginning that their was some sort of religious or mystical connection to the outbreak (and possible subtle hints could be in the characters names - Saul, Michael, John and perhaps it's a bit on the nose, but 'Angel' and some of the chapter titles) and frankly, the rapid mutations just aren't possible in purely scientific terms (as well as the fact that a schizophrenic serial killer suddenly has knowledge of advanced genetic engineering doesn't sit well with me), as rapid cellular changes on a macro level would be accompanied by intense heat and millions of calories burned in an instant.

My bets are hedged on Scratch having a personal connection with Ink - a family member perhaps?

EDIT: Gosh, it just hit me - even the name 'Scratch' is a clue. Scratch = devil (albeit a devil with a voice like finely spun silk).

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Originally Posted by Hoff4D

Anyways, yea, a few people have pointed out instances of skittles being wrong....I still think they'll be much like a caged beast, in which they listen to their 'master' (being Randy/Ink or the like) but in the heat of a battle...have the potential to attack their own kind (normal Z's) when let off the leash (so to speak)

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What if he's right and wrong?

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Originally Posted by Kc

What if he's right and wrong?

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True, so what happen when the Ink group meets up with the Colony Zombies? Will they just fall in line?

This is probably a bad example but it will be like movie, "Predators" the new and old will crash.

just got to listen. damnit i hate scratch. she's a great character, but all i want to do is slice paper thin layers off of her, starting with her fingers and toes.

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Originally Posted by reaper239

just got to listen. damnit i hate scratch. she's a great character, but all i want to do is slice paper thin layers off of her, starting with her fingers and toes.

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In some circles, that would be something of a love/hate relationship.

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Originally Posted by Deacon_Tyler

I can't accept that. Kc has stated that things are planned far in advance and from a storytelling perspective, it would invalidate so much that the story would not and could not feel complete without some closure. But the problem lies in that Scratch could show up and give a whole diatribe about her ring and the families and the rest of the characters would just shrug their shoulders and shoot her in the face.
I felt from the beginning that their was some sort of religious or mystical connection to the outbreak (and possible subtle hints could be in the characters names - Saul, Michael, John and perhaps it's a bit on the nose, but 'Angel' and some of the chapter titles) and frankly, the rapid mutations just aren't possible in purely scientific terms (as well as the fact that a schizophrenic serial killer suddenly has knowledge of advanced genetic engineering doesn't sit well with me), as rapid cellular changes on a macro level would be accompanied by intense heat and millions of calories burned in an instant.
My bets are hedged on Scratch having a personal connection with Ink - a family member perhaps?
EDIT: Gosh, it just hit me - even the name 'Scratch' is a clue. Scratch = devil (albeit a devil with a voice like finely spun silk).

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Even though KC has mentioned that religion plays little into the story, I believe there are symbols abundant. Check out what I found about about some of them...
http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/s...ll=1#post42498

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Originally Posted by Kc

What if he's right and wrong?

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I KNEW IT!! Quantum Zombies!!!! This has NEVER been done in Zombie fiction. Schrodingers Cat (Mr. Whiskers) is UNDEAD in a box. Kc, you're a genius.

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Originally Posted by Kc

What if he's right and wrong?

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Damn you for poking the beast and keeping me going down this road now......

I'm going to take the less-work-for-my-brain approach and say, if he's right AND wrong, then I think my hypothesis is a somewhat accurate description of their capable temperament. Either only listening to one Z, and like a beast off its leash otherwise, OR only plays well with a particular type of Z, either being an Ink equivalent, or Inklings.

That's broad, but it's all I'm willing to allow my brain to compute until further information, because I've just been wrong way too damn much. And for that, Kc, I thank you.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

I KNEW IT!! Quantum Zombies!!!! This has NEVER been done in Zombie fiction. Schrodingers Cat (Mr. Whiskers) is UNDEAD in a box. Kc, you're a genius.

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"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Witch_Doctor again"......

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Originally Posted by Hoff4D

"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Witch_Doctor again"......

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Same here....

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Originally Posted by Deacon_Tyler

In some circles, that would be something of a love/hate relationship.

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it is in the sense that i love to hate her, though i would absolutely not miss her in the story at all, except that i would because then i would have no one at which to direct my ire.

Might just be my hearing, but did Scratch make off with CJ's katana at around 2:46?

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Originally Posted by Hoff4D

Damn you for poking the beast and keeping me going down this road now......

I'm going to take the less-work-for-my-brain approach and say, if he's right AND wrong, then I think my hypothesis is a somewhat accurate description of their capable temperament. Either only listening to one Z, and like a beast off its leash otherwise, OR only plays well with a particular type of Z, either being an Ink equivalent, or Inklings.

That's broad, but it's all I'm willing to allow my brain to compute until further information, because I've just been wrong way too damn much. And for that, Kc, I thank you.

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So, as to draw this whole thing out.... CJ sounds like she's either gonna be an amputee, or dead. I think either way, the reason she couldn't die at the hands of scratch is she's the only one, besides michael, able to ID Randy, so without her confirmation, he's just a PROWM (See my previous post for acronym, and I stand by it). So she's going to stay alive at least long enough to see this dude and ID him. She could still live, but that would give her some great soliloquy to go out on, upon seeing him.


Also, based on Kc's antagonizing of 'maybe skittles is right AND wrong".....and his "the only thing I can say is there is a time lapse at the end"....perhaps Randy is organizing an attack, and following Glenn....when a few Behemoths catch wind of the mobile army, and we end up with a 3 (potentially 4) front war.

Randy et al attacking colony, Behemoths attacking anything that moves, Colony defending itself, and Scratch with minimal task force, or alone, observing and deciding to re-infiltrate. This puts Scratch back in the story-line, but I'm not sure where to theorize beyond that. Perhaps she somehow ends up in a mutually shared vehicle heading out of the colony as Glenn tries to fix the radio with Saul/lizzie/Victor/Burt in the back radioing for help from Michael on the road away from a colony slaughterhouse....? I dunno, i've gone too far, theorizing a resolve between Scratch and anyone, even in the face of impeding Zeds, seems too far a stretch now that she's pretty much pushed EVERYone too far....

Still, I stand by the beginning stuff

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Originally Posted by Deacon_Tyler

I can't accept that. Kc has stated that things are planned far in advance and from a storytelling perspective, it would invalidate so much that the story would not and could not feel complete without some closure. But the problem lies in that Scratch could show up and give a whole diatribe about her ring and the families and the rest of the characters would just shrug their shoulders and shoot her in the face.

I felt from the beginning that their was some sort of religious or mystical connection to the outbreak (and possible subtle hints could be in the characters names - Saul, Michael, John and perhaps it's a bit on the nose, but 'Angel' and some of the chapter titles) and frankly, the rapid mutations just aren't possible in purely scientific terms (as well as the fact that a schizophrenic serial killer suddenly has knowledge of advanced genetic engineering doesn't sit well with me), as rapid cellular changes on a macro level would be accompanied by intense heat and millions of calories burned in an instant.

My bets are hedged on Scratch having a personal connection with Ink - a family member perhaps?

EDIT: Gosh, it just hit me - even the name 'Scratch' is a clue. Scratch = devil (albeit a devil with a voice like finely spun silk).

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In my humble opinion not everything needs to be connected with them zeehs. It would be nice to see a connection between Scratch <-> Family <-> Ink/ Zombies/ whatnot ... This was part of some debate on this forum.
But I just don't see this link (anymore). The family was important for three characters only so far - Scratch, Angel, and Durai. Two of them are dead. On this show there was never ever anyone else (except for the late Latch, who actually never made a statement about the family ...) who spoke about it or acted on behalf of Family-rules. So by now I say: topic closed.
But: I may be wrong - wouldn't be the first time; and with a complete season to go, there is plenty of room for more surprises out of the box ...

All the best!
Liam

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Originally Posted by Hoff4D

Anyways, yea, a few people have pointed out instances of skittles being wrong....I still think they'll be much like a caged beast, in which they listen to their 'master' (being Randy/Ink or the like) but in the heat of a battle...have the potential to attack their own kind (normal Z's) when let off the leash (so to speak)

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He is wrong about those Behemoths being under control and/ or roaming with bands of zeehs ... But he may be right at least about those one being solitary on the move. From what I understood so far about the zeehs, they don't act like one people or population; but they seem to be more kind of scattered in smaller and bigger, groups or even solitary, and all of that without following a specific plan or order. That is why I have no trouble considering some Behemoths being solitary with no other zeehs around, while other Behemoths are part of various packs.

Kc's "maybe right and wrong" seems to support ideas like this ...

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

Even though KC has mentioned that religion plays little into the story, I believe there are symbols abundant. Check out what I found about about some of them...
http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/s...ll=1#post42498

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Well, goddamn, son... I've already REP'd you a couple dozen times, I'm done out of REP for awhile!

HEY! Somebody REP Witch Doctor again for me, will ya?

Shaddap, now... don't ask questions-- just DO it!

Holy hell, the opening of this episode made me physically ill
with the gushing blood sound effects. don't get me wrong
I love gore movies (i do a podcast on horror films)
but anything dealing with aortas and veins was making me
sick on the walk towards the gym, lol. awesome though,
great great episode... sad CJ's gonna suffer some more.

this is gonna be such a crazy finale.
thanks KC.

Also kudos to your artist for this chapter cover,
it's my favorite one.

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Originally Posted by Blood & Ice Cream

Might just be my hearing, but did Scratch make off with CJ's katana at around 2:46?

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so we got a velvety smooth voice that sounds like a choir of angels, a fiery temper hotter than the hooves of satan AND swords?

THAT'S WIFEY MATERIAL RIGHT THERE!!! O_O

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Hey guys i usually dont post alot because what i want to post is already posted so im more of a reader
but i was reading all posts and i dont think anyone came up with this.....

i have a strange theory
did anyone notice the description of this chapter?

it was "in help of a strangers hand..." or something like that
my crazy theory is......what if...
well we all think the the last zombie sound we heard at the end was a little one......what if the zombie we assume that its randy, because to me i dont think it is.....but it would be a great way to get randy back in the story and to finally find out about him and michael....

But what if the zombie we think its randy......what if he is some type of help? What if since he knows that there are number ones going/ or at the colony....what if he wants to attack them with behemoths and regular zombies....for some reason we havent seen those zeehs together
And if you guys think about it the first time we heard of the little ones was at the army station were kalani and angel went......and there was a behemoth there that i wanna say scared them away?
But im thinkin that the trap the zombies made for the mallers had little ones, regular ones, and INK.....
But i kinda think that there might be some type of war between those zombies that s what strangers help might mean indont know.....im writting this down reslly quick cuz im at school but lemme know what you think......

:)

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Originally Posted by Mark_survivor

Hey guys i usually dont post alot because what i want to post is already posted so im more of a reader
but i was reading all posts and i dont think anyone came up with this.....

i have a strange theory
did anyone notice the description of this chapter?

it was "in help of a strangers hand..." or something like that
my crazy theory is......what if...
well we all think the the last zombie sound we heard at the end was a little one......what if the zombie we assume that its randy, because to me i dont think it is.....but it would be a great way to get randy back in the story and to finally find out about him and michael....

But what if the zombie we think its randy......what if he is some type of help? What if since he knows that there are number ones going/ or at the colony....what if he wants to attack them with behemoths and regular zombies....for some reason we havent seen those zeehs together
And if you guys think about it the first time we heard of the little ones was at the army station were kalani and angel went......and there was a behemoth there that i wanna say scared them away?
But im thinkin that the trap the zombies made for the mallers had little ones, regular ones, and INK.....
But i kinda think that there might be some type of war between those zombies that s what strangers help might mean indont know.....im writting this down reslly quick cuz im at school but lemme know what you think......

:)

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I think that's rep material is what I think! If Randy and Ink were opposing forces to each other, that would be an absolutely brilliant plot twist! Like say, Michael's history with Randy could come into play and wouldn't it be killer to have help in the form of Randy's behemoths vs the Inklings????

Yep..excellent idea...i feel a very long-winded post coming...

Thanks guys
Its cuz the description got me thinking
And the zombie we think its randy was actually seen before with burned zombies moving in a way that no one has ever seen it makes me think he might have some type of leadership with other zombies i dont want to exagerate and say stuff like scratch ir turnng and attacking TOWTM i just wanna keepit simple but who knows :) it kinda seems like it might fit
But we will see on monday
Im still not sure if that zombie is randy he seems like it by the previous descriptions but who knows......

The one MAJOR issue I see with presenting an idea like this is the timing of it. Giving us possible unrest among the zom populous is not a good thing to open the doors on right before the end of the season. I guess it depends on how its handled...but anything more than say "Randy" and the behemoths fighting off a bunch of inklings would be opening a can that there just isn't time to address in one short and one long episode.

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Originally Posted by Mark_survivor

Thanks guys
Its cuz the description got me thinking
And the zombie we think its randy was actually seen before with burned zombies moving in a way that no one has ever seen it makes me think he might have some type of leadership with other zombies i dont want to exagerate and say stuff like scratch ir turnng and attacking TOWTM i just wanna keepit simple but who knows :) it kinda seems like it might fit
But we will see on monday
Im still not sure if that zombie is randy he seems like it by the previous descriptions but who knows......

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Not sure I'm fully on-board with this, but there have been crazier theories.
Thinking about it, it does make some sense that there are (at least) two different groups. Randy's group based at the arena and Ink's group based at the hospital. In the story they find the arena and then the hospital. In my mind, I had assumed that the arena zombie survivors had relocated to the hospital. Double checking the timeline notes the arena explosion and the hospital discovery were only a day apart. Highly doubtful the zombies are that organized.

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Originally Posted by Bullethead

Ok, I can't exactly search for the image here at work but my prediction for CJ is she will now be peg legged, BUT with a M16 equip with M203 a la Rose McGowan in the Grindhouse flick

all those in favor say :yay: !

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No picture, but I already posted a youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmMApNy48Sc

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Originally Posted by Hoff4D

Randy et al attacking colony, Behemoths attacking anything that moves, Colony defending itself, and Scratch with minimal task force, or alone, observing and deciding to re-infiltrate. This puts Scratch back in the story-line, but I'm not sure where to theorize beyond that. Perhaps she somehow ends up in a mutually shared vehicle heading out of the colony as Glenn tries to fix the radio with Saul/lizzie/Victor/Burt in the back radioing for help from Michael on the road away from a colony slaughterhouse....? I dunno, i've gone too far, theorizing a resolve between Scratch and anyone, even in the face of impeding Zeds, seems too far a stretch now that she's pretty much pushed EVERYone too far....
Still, I stand by the beginning stuff

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UGH!! My brain hurts!. This is like the end of

SPOILER 

The Hobbit.

Does Skittles kill a dragon and steal its gold too?