Jesus H. Christ.
I cannot stop screaming with everything that came to light this episode!!!!!!!!!
Victor is totally pimp.
But Saul's the one tryin' to be tradin' ladies for ladies.
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If Saul Tink is the traitor/Rat, I'm going to have to yell from the rooftops:
"Called it!"
Latch. Scratch is alive and kickin'... because she really IS all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss
hehe I meant latch was on the phone at the same time that I was typing so a little distracted,Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
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Originally Posted by Miss
oh man great episode I'm on team "Saul is trading peggs". He sounded sinister enough to be considering such actions, but hes also Saul so he probably has some crazy show down plan that may involve the colony. As for the hospital i think the "Doctor zombie" has been there for quite some time i just think the arena was for fun and after the fun is had Dr.Z uses the spare parts. I mean where else can you find the needles and motors you need to do all the tattoos we have heard about you cant find those supplies at the arena. As for the rush of zombies I think after the explosion they all decided to go there because its their second base where they brought all there wounded to get Dr. Z to patch them up. Btw i loved the super creepy laugh! That made my day. That whole scene was interesting almost as crazy as Riley and Angel crawling in the corps pile.
First, great episode! And great finish to an amazing chapter.
Now some thoughts:
Converting humans to zombies - this does seem plausible. The mental ward shop scene gives us reason to think some tinkering is going on (a la the claws and tattoos on the little ones). It also gives us a reason for why some humans were kept alive and others are food fodder. If zombie shop class was happening at the arena as well, we could see the return of Samantha in zombie form.
Pin Stripe - in one of the early posts of this chapter part (sorry for not giving credit where credits due, but am being lazy) it was speculated that pin stripe is a pawn in a larger plot. Since pin stripe has demonstrated intelligence, could his relative inaction with Riley and Kalani be a result of him having bigger fish to fry, namely figuring who/what is using him as a pawn? I fully recognize this has a lot of "ifs" that need confirming to be true, but the thought entered my mind and thought I'd share.
Trade bait - here are my predictions on who Saul has in mind in order from most to least likely:
Pegs - the obvious choice. Scratch wants to get her hands on Pegs, Pegs is accessible (relatively unguarded at LAX), and she is good bait in a bluff.
Saul himself - hard to know exactly why Saul would think they would trade Lizzie for himself, but I could see him thinking it was a heroic action. Also usable for a bluff.
The "rat" - Saul thinks Lewis is the rat, and he will think the Mallers will trade member for member.
The actual rat - hard to know how Saul would know who the actual rat is, but snooping around their former confines may have turned something up. Same rationale in trade as Lewis, member for member.
Latch's body - we don't know for sure Scratch picked up Latch's body, but it is reasonable to think so. Similarly, it is reasonable to think Scratch would have buried Latch's body. Saul's snooping around may have uncovered the burial site. It may seem a bit rude to desecrate Latch's grave, but Saul's in a desperate spot and any advantage helps.
Someone valuable picked up along the way - if Saul found someone valuable enough to trade, the reason is obvious. I don't like this option because it is too convenient.
Angel - remember back in season one when Latch and Scratch visit the tower (help with chapter-episode-time please) Scratch says she recognizes Angel. Also, Angel has the unsourced ability to hot-wire cars. Could this be the payoff to those setups? Saul's snooping could have turned up a connection. Again, this option has a lot of "ifs" as well (which is why it's my least likely), but it strikes me as a possibilty.
Sorry for the long post.
I would argue Saul does have time. Since Lizzie isn't dead yet, and her recordings revealed that the Mallers are purposefully keeping her, Lizzie's continued survival isn't a time concern. So, if Saul's trade is worth it to Scratch, there's reason to think she'd wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrScott101
Well I agree that Saul has every reason to think he has time. How much time he really has depends on when his part of the story is happening in relation to the Burt,Angel,Riley, and Kalani story. And also whether those four are taking the helicopter to the Tower of back to LAX. Saul could find himself interrupted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heyyouinthebushes
Was it just me or did Riley say he caught her arrow?!?! wow Dr.NinjaZombie!!!
Yep, which leans toward him being beyond the strength or speed of a normal man. The normal biters seem to be strong only due to the fact....they lack any regard for there own body. But, not necessarily stronger than the average guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by uuhhhuuu
It would not be uncommon for her arrow to travel upward of 260 feet per second which equals 177mph. And thats on the slower side for compound bows.
It's not really clear, I don't think she actually says he caught it, just that "it's not possible" and "how did he do that?" I guess it could be that the arrow hit and he's pulled it out without it having any effect. pin:)Quote:
Originally Posted by uuhhhuuu
But if he did catch it mid air....
*ahem*
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Originally Posted by Jeebogs
@Jeebogs
Good call, just wondering what cats you know that can catch arrows?
You mean, you don't know any?Quote:
Originally Posted by GD_Elite
I only tried to see if they could catch arrows once. The authorities weren't keen on the idea of me trying a second time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebogs
wow..so i spend 12 hours away from here and this thread blows up...shoudnt be surprised is guess. anyways
something that i havent seen mentioned, is the subtle hostility saul has been showing toward michael. if you go back through the last few chapters, you'll find several examples of this. im inclined to agree with the few who say saul has little intention of he or lizzie returning to the tower. i could see him having the mentality of "i had to go fight for the one i love, michael can do the same"
someone brought up the 8-2 2-1 walkie channel reference...chapter 2 ep 1 was the chapter we first meet lizzie. chapter 8-2,....this is more interesting. 8-2 is the chapter in which the crew went out on the watertower mission. its a rather uneventful ep. . . . except this is the one in which we first hear of cindy being dug up hhmmm
and one from the crackpot file. i found the entire scene within the hospital to be very emotional. very gripping storytelling that made you care for some charaters you hate..(kalani..for me)and nearly rip your heart out of your chest for the ones you do care about(burt). but, something struck me on my like 4th listen or so.....with the musical score, the entire hosp. scene had a very dream-like quality to it. i dunno, its hard to describe. but i could have easily seen the whole thing playing through and at the end, burt wakes up to find hes been taken prisoner a'la arena style...80's movie vibe bagan to run through my head at that point and i cant make it go away...
The celerity Zombie in the mental wing is most certainly one we have seen before. In the chapter cover, I can "see" that his hand is damaged. Either bloodied or fresh scar tissue. I believe this to be from where Burt shot the zombie at long range late in season 1. Riley even states his -- can not recall exact wording -- malformed? hand.
This is bad news. Because instead of running down and decaying away, at least some of the zombies are gettting smarter with hyped physical abilities.
This zombie shows up at the Tower. He has problems entering the code, but gets it right. The problems would indicate low intelliegnce or poor dexterity. Now, we see him in Doctor Frankensteins basement. Where he (possibly someone else) is triming the overgrown finger tips (and possibly toes) to nasty ass claws as well as do it yourself tattoo parlor. These do not really jive together well. Unless the zzombies are continuing to evolve.
I'm gonna say this, sorry I can read 18 pages and not go crazy lol
But think of where they were at. A mental hospitle, all the blood and stuff may have been becasue the crazy people there went feral. Also I think that Saul is gonna show up and just kill the mallers and get his Liz back
Cane Hill was a psychiatric hospital built to care for patients in the eastern part of Surrey. Charles Henry Howell designed the main buildings which had a Latin motto that translates:
‘I bring relief to troubled minds’.
oppps.. Aversos Compono Animos
http://www.thetimechamber.co.uk/Site...ursesBadge.php
I found this image huntingly familiar. It really matches the spirit of the chapter covers, imho.
Wow. Nice find.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
Now the question is, how did an asylum in England end up in LA?
arthur...first off, where the hell have you been?..second..when was said hospital founded?...ill go digging for myself, but maybe you know offhand
seriously good episode. The only thing it was missing was dart vader, frodo and the terminator. Nah it was way better than that stuff. So glad Burt and Angel are out of there. I wasn't wanting them to go out like that. Great catch mr dude in a suit that may or may not be pin striped but that i dont really care if it is pinstriped or polka dotted or has small images of mothra on it. Also i get why someone in the main chat said Cliffhanger ! lol Great work !!!
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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Lots of info here:
http://www.simoncornwell.com/urbex/p...s/ch/index.htm
Cane Hill Hospital: 1882 - 2009
yep thats the same info i found...its totally meaningless perhaps. but a majority of the names used in this storyline originated largely from that era in one way or another...Quote:
Originally Posted by Deleted_Username
I don't know about the whole Saul trading somebody for another. I'm thinking along the lines that Saul is going to pull a one man booby trap and so Special Forces on their ass. He may call in some Zombie back up as distractions. Or he may get a couple people from the tower to help. Saul doesn't seem to be in the right state of mind and is bound and determined to get Lizzy back. But something tells me he's not going to put somebody else up for it. If anything of the sort he may offer Pegs up but won't go through with it.
Nice, I have always liked, well the first half anyway...Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
FIRE AND ICE
By Robert Frost
Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire....
Frozen Zombies just prolongs the problem. Burn em!
With the 4th and so many things around the house and family, did not have much time on line. I am glad it was an "off" week.
But, I tell you what, if I was Saul's dad, Burt would have to hold me back from kicking Saul's ass for his reckless behavior. As "Pop" (my Grandfather) said and did, "I would take him out back and beat him until he could not stand. When he got back up, I would do it all over again...." Back then, timeouts were for sports only. 8)
Wolf,Quote:
Originally Posted by timberwoof
Saul came across very very lucid to me. It sounded like he was hip to something no one else was/is. He'd already come to conclusion that mallers had her and was resigned to it. He wasn't rushing off half cocked as it seemed when he first took off.
Addendum to that question is why was an English "tourist" part of such a prominent story arch?? I don't believe in Coy'ekidinks!Quote:
Originally Posted by GD_Elite
That's bit of poetry is lovely Arther. My grandfather as well would have blistered my back end for behavior like Saul is doing. But I have faith something good will come of it. In his heart of hearts Saul is a good man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
ALL TOGETHER NOW...
<austrian accent mode on> get to da choppa!
piccy is of a white bell medical helicopter with a solid blue tail with a red strip down the middle ;)
This is what I dug up yesterday (see post 130 on this thread) and decided against posting (whilst there are clear links to this episode it kind of didnt feel relevant).Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
For those who havent followed the various links the hospital became a haven for urban explorers after it closed and one of the highlights was an iconic watertower.
On a separate note. Saul claimed to be at Eastern Bay when he contacted the tower, what was he planning on doing if the Mallers had been their? If he wanted to offer the trade in person rather than over the radio does it lend extra credibility to the idea that he would go through with it (or at least with the bluff)?
serious thoughts now...
1. why did Riley aim for the heart and not the head?
2. chapter 2 part 3 mentions Bill Roberts aka 'Ink' being transfered to a mental health facility on the Tivo recording = Caine Mental Hospital
3. the pointed silver pen with motor and needle, sounds like a tattoo gun to me - i.e. to mark the number five on the little ones
4. which movie did Burt reference for the C4 device? was it a zombie movie?
5. Riley was very pleased to see angel okay <i'm just sooo glad you are safe> mmmm... is Riley bi?
6. Burt joking about the helicopter not being on the helipad - seems to me he is on a constant downer and always expecting the worst, accepting death for a third time - at the hospital, two at Locked n Loaded, but what was the third?
7. Saul's plan of action will either be a) go back to the tower and openly plan with Michael about using Pegs as bait to get Lizzy back (i think Pegs would be up for it); or b) go get Pegs at LAX
Lol, okay. So you think Pippin smuggled in an asylum from England? In a suitcase. hmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
That's how Pippin rolls, son... asylums in check luggage. Old school style.Quote:
Originally Posted by GD_Elite
1. Easier target. The zombies don't need a headshot to kill. Aiming for the center mass is easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood & Ice Cream
2. My thoughts exactly
3. ditto
4. I Dunno. Any ideas anyone?
5. Or she might just see him as a close friend. Being glad he's not dead doesn't necessarily mean romantic interest.
6. He seemed sort of jovial when he cracked that joke, a bit of gallows humor after escaping a close call. As for the third time he was prepared for death: I thought maybe during the War, he was talking about running off alone, but he also seemed like he might be preparing to go out in a blaze of glory.
7. I'm thinking (b) he was careful to make sure the Tower wasn't listening before he contacted Scratch. So I think Michael's gonna be out of the loop on whatever it is Saul's planning.
Maybe i'm confusing/combining the two but didn't Angel say in 1-1 that they creatures on the freeway could have come from the mental institution. He added it was only 10 or so miles away? (pulling from recent memory) That was at the army base, was he referring to the same hospital or a different special mental hospital? Does the Tivo say "Caine" when it refers to the Mental institution?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood & Ice Cream
