Chapter 21 - "Mark of the Beast" - Part 2

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May 5th, 2011, 12:57 PM
j0be

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

So I've waited just over three days now and not one person has mentioned the kick ass advertisement for the forum!!! Come on now people! You gotta listen all the way through the credits!

And I'm not pointing it out because I wrote the ad or anything......nope.

#humblebrag :p

A couple of us discussed it in the chatroom (I think it was Ra1th and I)
May 5th, 2011, 01:40 PM
HaveCrowBarWillTravel

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

we noticed, we just didnt wanna say anything because it made our ears bleed... :p JK

ROFL!!! Humble Pie sho tastes nice.. Humble Pie's so good gotta have another slice!!
Humple Pie sho tastes nice... Humble Pie goes down better with milk and ice..
hmmm humm... Hummmmbllleeee Piiiiieeee!
May 5th, 2011, 02:25 PM
nikvoodoo

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Originally Posted by shananala8

I was too busy waiting to see if anyone else was concerned that Angel was on the roof instead of watching Pippin like Michael told him to. His orders were not to let Pippin out of his sight, and yet Angel is standing on the roof asking Kalani why Kalani isn't down watching Pippin. Sure, Kalani said that he thought Michael was down watching him, but the confusion between Angel and Kalani set off alarm bells for me.

By the by, if Michael turns out to not be with Pippen and Angel left him alone in the Tower somebody needs to knock Angel's head off for not following orders.
May 5th, 2011, 02:28 PM
Adventureless_Hero

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Originally Posted by shananala8

I was too busy waiting to see if anyone else was concerned that Angel was on the roof instead of watching Pippin like Michael told him to. His orders were not to let Pippin out of his sight, and yet Angel is standing on the roof asking Kalani why Kalani isn't down watching Pippin. Sure, Kalani said that he thought Michael was down watching him, but the confusion between Angel and Kalani set off alarm bells for me.

The way Angel addressed Kalani with, "Aren't you supposed to be watching Pippin?" made it sound like behind the scene Michael must have ordered Angel to get in touch with Bert and Saul to see if they knew what was going on over at the Arena. Then Burt must have replied that he didn't at which point Angel was like, "Oh, well then I'm going to see if I can get a better look from the roof." Kalani must have been ordered to stay with Pippin while Michael, i dunno, took a piss? Then Kalani explains that Michael is asking Pippin questions while Saul's mom stiches him up. Nothin' fishy going on. Just behindthe scenes stuff that is implied. Context clues homie, context clues.
May 5th, 2011, 03:40 PM
Hellbringer

Ok, had to go through 17 pages to see what people speculated about the weapon from the safe was. I immediately thought of a couple of ideas to toss out there, since I was more fixated on this mysterious weapon than Riley's sexuality, Pippen's mole/not-a-mole status, or that list thing that Brick and Tardust had with them when they captured Lizzie in the previous chapter.

Since I believe the safe is from Burt's store, and (paraphrasing here) approximately 10% of his inventory was legal, I'm going with the following for the weapon (in order of most to lesser likely)

M72 66mm Light Anti-Tank Weapon (LAW)
AT-4 84mm Rocket
M203 or M79 40mm grenade launcher
M47 Dragon wire guided rocket
RKG-3 (Anti-Tank Grenade)
RPG-7 (Rocket Propelled Grenade)

I go with the LAW because Burt is a Vietnam Vet and would probably hold on to something like this if he saw one (doesn't mean he got it in Vietnam, just that if he saw one, he'd do whatever to get it). Same would definitely be true for an M79 since it looks like a big-mouth shotgun, but shoots only 40mm grenades. However, I put the AT-4 before that because of its firepower. I like the idea of Burt holding onto a Dragon is way cool with me (this being a fiction and all), but I don't remember too many military urban legends about that rocket system getting out and in the possession of "Cold War survivialists."
I place the Soviet items at the bottom because, while totally believable that someone like him could get one or be in possession of one, I like to think that Burt doesn't want too much in his store that "Charlie" used to use towards him.

Anyway, I am thinking that Scratch is holding the weapon back to case Tardust cannot set off the other tankers. We did hear more than one explosion from the Tower's perspective, but when we focused on Lizzie with Tardust and Bricks, only one exploded.

So, who's up for a hockey game now?
May 5th, 2011, 05:20 PM
Zombiehead

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

So I've waited just over three days now and not one person has mentioned the kick ass advertisement for the forum!!! Come on now people! You gotta listen all the way through the credits!

And I'm not pointing it out because I wrote the ad or anything......nope.

#humblebrag :p

I noticed and I meant to point out in my original post that it should probably be in the beginning of the episode... I tend to hit STOP after Michael Swan announces the next release date. If I hadn't been busy while I was listening to the show I would have missed it completely.
May 5th, 2011, 05:58 PM
bequita

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Originally Posted by Hellbringer

Ok, had to go through 17 pages to see what people speculated about the weapon from the safe was. I immediately thought of a couple of ideas to toss out there, since I was more fixated on this mysterious weapon than Riley's sexuality, Pippen's mole/not-a-mole status, or that list thing that Brick and Tardust had with them when they captured Lizzie in the previous chapter.

Since I believe the safe is from Burt's store, and (paraphrasing here) approximately 10% of his inventory was legal, I'm going with the following for the weapon (in order of most to lesser likely)

M72 66mm Light Anti-Tank Weapon (LAW)
AT-4 84mm Rocket
M203 or M79 40mm grenade launcher
M47 Dragon wire guided rocket
RKG-3 (Anti-Tank Grenade)
RPG-7 (Rocket Propelled Grenade)

I go with the LAW because Burt is a Vietnam Vet and would probably hold on to something like this if he saw one (doesn't mean he got it in Vietnam, just that if he saw one, he'd do whatever to get it). Same would definitely be true for an M79 since it looks like a big-mouth shotgun, but shoots only 40mm grenades. However, I put the AT-4 before that because of its firepower. I like the idea of Burt holding onto a Dragon is way cool with me (this being a fiction and all), but I don't remember too many military urban legends about that rocket system getting out and in the possession of "Cold War survivialists."
I place the Soviet items at the bottom because, while totally believable that someone like him could get one or be in possession of one, I like to think that Burt doesn't want too much in his store that "Charlie" used to use towards him.

Anyway, I am thinking that Scratch is holding the weapon back to case Tardust cannot set off the other tankers. We did hear more than one explosion from the Tower's perspective, but when we focused on Lizzie with Tardust and Bricks, only one exploded.

So, who's up for a hockey game now?

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Sigh. Whatever awesome weapon it is, I'm excited for it.
May 5th, 2011, 07:26 PM
Hellbringer

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Originally Posted by bequita

This Post
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Sigh. Whatever awesome weapon it is, I'm excited for it.

I probably got overexcited and geeky at the same time while writing it.

I'll put it this way, when I heard scratch talk about the weapon from the safe, I was totally picturing the rocket launcher scene in Commmando with Arnold Schwarzenegger in it where the girl fires the rocket launcher the wrong way at first and then fires it again to hit a car.

That rocket launcher, by the way, is an M202. Basically 4 LAWs in a box.
May 6th, 2011, 07:51 AM
Paola

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Originally Posted by j0be

But here's a devil's advocate type of theory. :P

What if the bruises aren't from the mallers? What if Pippen is a slow turner like Tanya had described? (Our first description of the zombies are that they were covered in bruises)

That is possible but wouldn't Tanya be able to notice that since she has already seen and worked with slow turning zombies??
May 6th, 2011, 08:23 AM
Paola

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Originally Posted by j0be

Nope. Tommy did not have any wounds. The infection was spread through his eyes and/or mouth. Also, this could be engineered as a slow turner, not a quick one like the most we see. Also, his mission could just be to take out the commanders (eg: Michael, Angel, Saul, Burt, etc.)

Tommy had a scratch on him and Lizzy was trying to give him first aid right???
May 6th, 2011, 08:48 AM
HaveCrowBarWillTravel

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Originally Posted by Paola

Tommy had a scratch on him and Lizzy was trying to give him first aid right???

Paola,
Si, Its already been proven that Tommy had a scratch. See previous post with episode, time hack and quote.
May 6th, 2011, 07:00 PM
shananala8

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

The way Angel addressed Kalani with, "Aren't you supposed to be watching Pippin?" made it sound like behind the scene Michael must have ordered Angel to get in touch with Bert and Saul to see if they knew what was going on over at the Arena. Then Burt must have replied that he didn't at which point Angel was like, "Oh, well then I'm going to see if I can get a better look from the roof." Kalani must have been ordered to stay with Pippin while Michael, i dunno, took a piss? Then Kalani explains that Michael is asking Pippin questions while Saul's mom stiches him up. Nothin' fishy going on. Just behindthe scenes stuff that is implied. Context clues homie, context clues.

You have events out of order. Angel starts the scene on the roof trying to see if he can see the source. When this fails, he then "wonders" (meaning it was not an order) if Burt and Saul know anything about it and at this point contacts them on the radio. When Kalani comes on the roof and Angel asks Kalani about Pippin, Kalani clearly has no clue what's going on with Pippin and tells Angel as much. Kalani has been working on the helicopter project all morning and was not guarding Pippin. Finally, Kalani only thinks that Michael is down there with him.

Pippin is likely a spy, and is definitely someone the Tower people have no reason to trust yet. That Angel is not where he was ordered to be and there is confusion about the guard situation means alarm bells should be going off.
May 6th, 2011, 07:16 PM
mythicgr66

when i was listening to Chaper 21 part 2, i was like oh S**t the mallerz know F'all about the zombies, how the hell did they survive this long, hell skittels is crazy and he knows the most about them , i liked the whole blowing up the hokey theater but i whis the waited till night time when the tattoed guy was (sorry to hope, what i get admersed in the world, sue me) feeding and get that B******d too and how have they never meet a Smart/Runner type, in all the mounths/year since Zday and dam i was screaming Angel grab and kiss Reilly then comfort her (tell her its not her fault and say that he cant lose here).

I hope lizzy and the big guy (Rick's) leave the group and get back to the tower and Tardust might get shot in the Balls, (just saying) ok runover/killed in the escape, also fix pippin really, why is it when you have british person in any thing were are either the badguy or have a posh/cockney accent
May 6th, 2011, 09:07 PM
COsurvivor

I like how Rick's is very protective of Lizzie now... even to the point of making an threat against (whatever that jerk's name is). He seems to listen to her... I wonder what will happen to this Beauty and the Beast deal will take us!
May 6th, 2011, 09:08 PM
nikvoodoo

just an FYI: His name is Bricks, not Ricks. Continue! :)
May 7th, 2011, 12:20 AM
timberwoof

You think the weapon is really that big? It big enough to carry and doesn't seem that much of a burden to whoever is carrying it. I'm thinking maybe a Claymore or something similar. Michael, Angel and Saul got excited about Burt pulling one out when they were going back to the tower, why wouldn't the Mallers? Not saying that is the weapon but it could be something like it that can do some damage if need be.

But IF I were willing to bet, it's more than likely not. If the weapon is from Burt's safe hell it could be almost anything, maybe even a grenade launcher of some sort. Reason for saving it is limited ammo and last resort. Who knows but Kc?
May 7th, 2011, 04:21 PM
Hellbringer

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Originally Posted by timberwoof

You think the weapon is really that big? It big enough to carry and doesn't seem that much of a burden to whoever is carrying it. I'm thinking maybe a Claymore or something similar. Michael, Angel and Saul got excited about Burt pulling one out when they were going back to the tower, why wouldn't the Mallers? Not saying that is the weapon but it could be something like it that can do some damage if need be.

But IF I were willing to bet, it's more than likely not. If the weapon is from Burt's safe hell it could be almost anything, maybe even a grenade launcher of some sort. Reason for saving it is limited ammo and last resort. Who knows but Kc?

That's why my first choice is a LAW. That thing is pretty compact for what it does; also, Scratch could fire a LAW at a tanker to set it off with no problem.

And I would definitely be excited if I saw one.
May 8th, 2011, 01:12 PM
Mannydc7

Fosho! ;)
Mar 26th, 2012, 01:23 PM
Adventureless_Hero

I just realized something when listening to this episode again. In 21-1 the Maller convoy is attacked in the park by a number of littles ones and Pinstripes. A little later, the convoy makes its way to the arena. We then hear the distress call and what sounds like one howling loudly to signal the attack. This one that howls loudly sounds like the one with markings or Pinstripes. Does this give more evidence to the possibility that maybe Pinstripes and the one with markings are two different zombie leaders? How could Pinstripes be at the arena if he was just leading the convoy ambush?
Mar 26th, 2012, 01:28 PM
nikvoodoo

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

I just realized something when listening to this episode again. In 21-1 the Maller convoy is attacked in the park by a number of littles ones and Pinstripes. A little later, the convoy makes its way to the arena. We then hear the distress call and what sounds like one howling loudly to signal the attack. This one that howls loudly sounds like the one with markings or Pinstripes. Does this give more evidence to the possibility that maybe Pinstripes and the one with markings are two different zombie leaders? How could Pinstripes be at the arena if he was just leading the convoy ambush?

The same way it was possible for him to be in the arena and yet beat the Datu rescue team back to the Tower.....

....He's magic!

But seriously. it's the crux of the conversation about how many people are Pimp Ass Zombies. Also remember with the Mallers, they stopped for some unknown amount of time to regroup after being torched by the Little Ones.

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