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With the way season 4 is progressing, either KC got very lucky in the beginning and he is running out of luck or he is a real story telling genius. I believe the latter is true and that the ending is going to blow everyone away.
I can't wait to do a binge listening session from ep1 to season 4 finale :)
Interesting thought. But I'm not sure Ink really needs a child. Remember if an Inkling bites a person, they turn into an Inkling. So Ink might have started with children as his subjects, he doesn't necessarily need more children to make more. Although I do wonder if adult-turned Inklings are less controllable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
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Wow, Datu actually looks badass like Jay Oligario.
Maybe both?Quote:
Originally Posted by billions
Good points, but I cannot discount the possibility, that the turned might take on some of the aspects of the little ones, say nearly bullet proof skin, but they may still lack other. The claws? Maybe in time. Eye sight? The autopsied one had clear eyes like Ink. What happens to the turned? Intelligence? Again, we just do not know.Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
But, evil is as evil does. Need might not have anything to do with it. Can he ignore the question, what might happen if I tried this...
Lol yeah, I was thinking "hey, I know that photo!" But what's that in his hand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Especially if there was left-over equipment that the Colony didn't scavenge, like, say..... police radios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Also, he could possibly instill loyalty that turned adults might lack. The Inklettes in Boulder were on a free for all. If he wanted to turn people into Inklings then he had plenty of opportunity to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
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Perhaps the title refers to Datu's impending death. Before he goes into the Darkness Ahead, he visits a church.
REGARDING SAUL'S FATE
Interesting thought, but I just don't see martyrdom in Saul's character. He never really has been a 'sacrifice myself for the greater good' kind of guy. Datu? Definitely. But Saul has always been motivated more from a fierce loyalty to his inner circle, which currently only includes Lizzy, the baby, Tanya, and Victor. Just look at how quick Saul was to ignore the needs of the group and get single-minded focus on saving Lizzy; he wasn't even really thinking whether that was the best for the whole or not; he probably didn't even really consider that aspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verse
REGARDING SCENE VS. EXPOSITION
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Originally Posted by Kc
Wow, @Gooer, you're really beating this drum today. Would Michael & Co. have LITERALLY known every specific thing that was said by the chopper team, despite being miles away and far removed? Of course not. But the story has been told that way since the beginning--hell, ALL first person narratives are told this way, when you think if it. The journal-narration leads us into each scene as exposition, but each scene follows it's own dynamics, as if you could start by telling a friend about a concert you went to last month, and then suddenly your friend is magically transported back in time, as an invisible overseer to that very event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooer
For example, Michael starts the story with his journal-narrative of "I remember that day like it was burned into my brain: may 8, 2009" and then we get the scene with the girl inviting him to a party and the teacher saying there'd be no make-ups on the exam, etc. So would Michael have REALLY remembered, verbatim, the exact transcripted dialogue of those scenes, and of every other scene he took part in with this story? Of course not! Can you remember the exact transcript of a conversation you had with someone last year? Again, no. The purpose of exposition in fiction is to summarize the non-essential events that either aren't important ("e.g., "And that was all I remembered about that") or occur over a span of time (e.g., "The next four months at the Colony flowed into each other, as each of us were busy with our respective jobs"). Really unimportant information to the story is often left out altogether, or perhaps briefly alluded to (like what Lady has been up to this whole time at the Colony).
REGARDING SCRATCH
Well, I'd really love if Big Boy Robbins would get up off the mat, but I think his femur is being gnawed on right about now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Deacon_Tyler
And this is where I gotta criticize The Great One just a bit, regarding Scratch's motivation for still hanging around: okay, so Pegs shot her brother, but would that REALLY have been enough for her to stake her whole life, focus, resources, and manpower, for such an extended period of time, with this one revenge in mind? Hell, Latch's stupid-ass was the one ATTACKING the tower in the first place, so she could just as well placed the blame for his death with him, or maybe Durai for planning the attack. It's been such a long time since Scratch has even seen Pegs, I just don't know how realistic it is that she would still, STILL be hell-bent on coming after her, to the detriment of all else.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Not only that, but why the hell are the rest of the Mallers still in cahoots with her?! THEY didn't have their brother killed by this girl, so I would imagine their motivation for keeping on with Scratch's vendetta to be a whole lot more tenuous, especially after witnessing the fate of many of their comrades who got torched under the direction of Heir Scratch. We know about honor and thieves, so I imagine that most, or all, of them would have cut bait and snuck off one night while Scratch was sleeping...
REGARDING MONSTER FODDER
@Witch Doctor, I think it was back in the Martin chapter that he mentioned the captured people at the Arena were divided up into 2 groups--one tortured in the arena, and the other dragged off 'somewhere else' (i.e. Cain hospital to become Ink's new test subjects). In fact, given what we know about Ink's experimenting, the various incident's we've seen of live humans being dragged off, but not killed, in the story is making a lot more sense: Ink needed non-turned test subjects to work on, so he sent out the command that his followers go out and capture some (like Datu).Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Speaking of that: do you think the fact that it was Randy who tried to drag off Tanya confirms that Randy is indeed under the leadership of Ink?? There has been no evidence in the story of Randy doing his own experiments, so this is pretty good evidence that he is a Zed First Mate or something...
If you look around the outer frame, you see what looks like darkened, jagged planks jutting inward. If this is not symbolic, then it almost looks like we are looking at Datu from the perspective of a Behemoth, who has just smashed through the wall of the church and is about to charge Datu....Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Foreshadowing?
Or maybe those are not planks; they are crow feathers... :tinfoil:
If Scratch and Tardust are the only two mallers left, are we going to find out how they survived after the colony was attacked? Or does Scratch get out of this things without a scratch because she is a little something more than human? She seems to get out of a lot of sketchy things.
This might be a stupid question, but is there a juvenile detention center in LA? Specifically close to the rest of the action? I keep thinking a hospital would have at least been attempted to be cleared out, but a juvie? Along the same lines as the jail and already captive test subjects.
So, do you think that this is all being told in a history class or TV show?
BTW, The Scratch subplot is not my most favorite one. Less pins and needles and more waiting for it to be over.
WWOHHOOOOOOOO lets do this!!
Cool episode for a "non-action" one.
We learn that even Ink is afraid of the Behemoths, maybe? He seemed to be ok with McKibben Arrow Head in Chap 36 but maybe that was some sort of nervous truce. The way that Michael and Tanya talk about the jail and it's residents makes sense. Ink doesn't want to risk taking the big boys on personally so he'll lock them up and hope they just go away. Methinks we haven't seen the last of them. Whatever lives and escapes from the jail will be an equal opportunity killer...
Splitting up the group? I had a feeling it would happen. Either voluntarily due to resources or involuntarily due to the Colony being overrun. Like others said in earlier posts in this thread, it will let us focus on the key players. The question in my mind on this topic is: do any of the groups make it away so that Michael & Co can get away from bad old LA when it's all done.
Saul's foreshadowing? I don't think so. At least not yet. He may not be the grand martyr but for his wife and child, he would die to ensure their safety. I just don't think we are to that point in the story yet. More to be developed if we are to get there....
Pete (Greg!) is back and looking for an angle on the water... Perfect!
Hope and Datu - still not sure where this is going but given who Datu is at heart and the ominous chapter art. I think we are nearing his end. I trust Kc to treat him properly and to make us all cry.
Scratch and Tardust. I think they are the last of the Mallers. There were only a couple with them after the big fight at the Colony and they are dead or desserted. Scratch is still at it for Pegs. She will not let it go. Tardust stays with her because he knows its a damn good way to stay alive - even though so many have died around her.... As to how we know this part of the story, I'm guessing either it gets pieced together from some info Michael & Co get from Scratch or we end up with a fairly involved interaction with Scratch and the team. That would be.... odd. But the enemy of my enemy and all that.
Other than finally hearing Jenna's amazing voice, the thing that made me actually exclaim out loud was hearing a new name in the credits, right @nikvoodoo ? :D
Great job, as usual, Kc! Can't wait for this all to play out....
I have the feeling that the caged behemoths at twin towers will be used as a weapon against Ink by Michael at some point. They leave them where they are for now, perhaps later in the season they'll find a way to direct the starving behemoths in a particular direction, once they know a direction to send them.
Seems like a good reversal for storytelling for Ink to, not completely, but significantly lose a resource (inkling factory?) to his enemy using his first, possibly uncontrollable creation.
Dude, GRRM is so up inside your head you should be charging that guy rent! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Friggin! Cabbage Patch nice one. Also anyone recognize the subtitle from this episode? If not there's a surprise in this week's episode of the We're Alive Fancast.
I think you mean Scratch and Tardust. Unless you are talking about the ghost of her dead brother, then yes...he can move around with impunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
I'm starting to wonder if Tardust eventually does not join up with one of the groups, especially since he seems disillusioned with Scratch and "Just wants it to be done."Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
He should not, though. He should be shot on sight.
But i'm kind of a harsh person like that. :hammer:
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Originally Posted by HardKor
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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Ok, this is a horrible idea. Strength in numbers. Bigger talent pool, more people for more tasks, more options for survival.Quote:
Originally Posted by scbubba
CJ has a moving plan. OK, GREAT! At least that whine-fest a few chapters back was actually productive. Does not mean it is a good one. Maybe she should have brought a few of the other colony in on the plan.
If they are going to evac to another location, they need to take the time and think out which location will be:
1: a secure area
2: in an area with untapped resources
3: in an area where an adequate water supply exists:
4: in an area where food will be plentiful, both game and grow
5: large enough to support the entire population
6: where the enemy is scarce
And all this is assuming that the well cannot be fixed and that is a 'dry hole.' (Pardon the pun) and i think it will be ok, if Datu can work on it without being bothered, and gets more help. (Yay pete!)
And as far as the whole 'Saul is going to die' foreshadowing, Many soon to be fathers in high risk situations go through the same thing.
Does that mean he will die? No. But as a responsible father, and the fact that he could run into Ink and 200 behemoths next episode, he wanted to ask the one person he KNEW could protect his family to do the right thing in case the worst thing happens.
And as Vic pointed out, he really did not need to ask. In that situation, that bond between Vic and Saul, Vic would have stepped up if there had never been one word between the two men. All that conversation did was make Saul feel better. And when Saul feels better, Saul does his duties better because he is not worried about who is going to watch after Lizzy and baby.
Hi there,
Yes, I totally agree with anything you write here. Here are the explanations I have:Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Latch was the only "close" person to Scratch; having lost him was like having lost the last 'beloved' person. Looking at it this way I somehow accept the way Scratch builds her agenda - that is, IF she still bothers about it and her once established goal to go and kill Pegs.
As for Mallers following her: Scratch has two very important skills making her an almost natural leader: 1) she is able to turn words around in your own mouth and deceiving people by putting a lot of pressure on them in order to make them follow her plans; this is what she has done nearly all the time; 2) she is an alpha-personality and does things, which gives people kind of orientieering. There may be a third reason: 3) She was it who rescued the guys from the prison. Final thought: The Mallers are like the Colonists or all the nameless guys from Dunbar or the Tower: they follow, they don't act on their own ... As for Tardust: I think he has a certain catch on Scratch. Not sure why I think so, but maybe he has a certain desire to be dominated by astrong femme fatale.
Best wishes!
Liam
So glad to have the second half of the season going.
I totally expected the story to swing back into the "Scratch Saga" but certainly didn't see the awesome transition we got for it, another moment where I can practically see the scene unfold in my head.
As always when I read predictions I hope everybody is wrong and that those obvious predictions never happen (using the behemoths against Ink, Saul's foreshadowed death, etc) but that said here's my prediction which I'm guessing is going to happen rather soon.
Pete the poor bastard has just slipped on his red shirt and is just waiting to get eaten, so don't get comfortable with him around, methinks he's only going to bring trouble their way (and I don't mean Hope)
Yea, haha i am i bit aren't I.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
What i want to know, If Ink is scared of the Behemoths, why did he have two of them in his "army" when he attacked the Colony? While he might of had some sort of trust in arrow head, what about the other one?Quote:
Originally Posted by scbubba
Scratch & Tardust not breaking the rules: wouldn't be ironic if scratch has been keeping her own journal this whole time (or started after seeing Lizzy's). It could explain how we get her side of that story arc.
Cover art: I see abstract hands along the edges (especially along the left side 2nd or 3rd down) - but w/ Kc's love of double meanings I really like the crow feathers idea too.
🔮 time: scratch & co attack a group while they are leaving the colony. Michael & co take them down. All the distractions (Pegs, Burt, Riley, CJ ) not in the picture so when scratch falls, she does so with out anyone getting vengeance (showing how much of a waste of time pure vengeance is in this new world. Thus may also give Victor some thing to do that shows he was more than just a salesman.
Side note 1: is anyone else picturing the award silence when Kc was like "you can come back as Pete, but you have to drive Hope around"......
Side note 2: So my 🔮 was broken for the title of the episode (I fell for "There Here"), but I did call Scratch's rerun at the end of this episode
Side note 3: Congrats on v2.0 Nick!
If the Locations in the story match the real ones in Westminster, CA, then the Police Station, where Saul, Victor and CJ had eyes on the Colony, and the Sheriff's station, where they hid out, should be inside of the area the Colony expanded in to. So should that garage where they found the Shelby Cobra; I'd love to see that come back into the story somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
There are four Juvenile Detention Facilities in LA County, only one of which is in the city limits. That one, Eastlake Juvenile Hall, is a mile or so east of the Twin Towers, on the other side of the 5 Freeway. It looks like another big campus.Quote:
Originally Posted by katlero
The LA Children's Hospital is maybe five miles northwest of the Twin Towers.
I'm working off pure memory here but I don't think Ink had more than 1 behemoth in the "general population" and that was Arrow Head. The other behemoth encounters were isolated encounters, IIRC. It was obviously Arrow Head at the Colony in Ch 36 and probably Arrow Head at the Arena way back when. It could have been random Big Boy at the Water Works and then encountered (and put down) by Angel and Kalani (may they rest in peace). The one autopsied by Tanya early in this season was just found dead somewhere. Not necessarily tied to Ink and his crew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooer
I'm not a 100% sold on Tanya's theory that Ink is afraid of the and is keeping them locked up in hopes that they are too stupid to figure a way out. I'm simply pointing put that we have the seed planted that any and all of Ink's experiments still alive at the Jail may end up turned loose as indiscriminate killing machines. This could level the playing field by eliminating some of Ink's Little Ones or give a common cause to band some number of characters together (e.g., bringing Burt and Riley back in, the infamous Scratch alliance, Pegs in a "Death from Above" role)
Anyway, I don't think we've seen the last of whatever is in there....
Whoa, devious mind at work here.... I like it!Quote:
Originally Posted by katlero
And more devious thinking. Not sure how the population of a hospital would have fared early in the outbreak. Unless there may have been some sort of isolation or lockdown, I would think the population would have either bolted or been overrun like everywhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
The detention centers though.... Those could have maintained a decent population of unturned for a little while until Ink got there. But it would have meant he, or someone, got there and secured it very soon after the outbreak (hours? a day?) to keep a bunch of kids alive and unturned.
I wonder if he really does require kids to make "fully potent" Little Ones? Or was it that his first successes came from kids but he's got it down now?
Re:Latch
When I said Scratch and Latch I did mean Latch. I was talking about Season 1. Those two did not seem to have much of a problem with the biters, unlike the others in the story. Scratch cannot break Latch out of Eastern Bay until the riot was in full boil. Things must be pretty bad for the Prison to be accessible. While everyone in LA is being eaten or hiding, she springs the mallers. Eastern Bay is by the ocean. Then L&S go to Locked and loaded which is on the other side if the city. The most direct route goes right through ground zero. So, I say again, it seems L&S move around pretty well amongst the biters 1.0.
Scratch is fixated on Pegs. Yes, Pegs did kill Latch, but damn. He died in a breach of the tower in a fatal funnel; silhouetted in a friggin window. That just screams Caualty! So, is it just the killing, or is there something else?
I still do not understand why she is so amazed and jealous that the people leaving the Colony "have a lot of Shit". LA has enough stuff for 5 million people. Why can't they just loot some for themselves?
I thought there was something odd and dismissive about this conversation too, to be honest, but I think my problem with it is something along the lines of:Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
Tanya thinks they are likely to be stupid and reject Ink's authority and would be uncontrollable. But would it not be the case that the stupider they are, the more likely they are to accept authority unquestioningly, whereas the smarter ones would be more likely to go off-piste?
Presumably it also doesn't necessarily follow that the most dumb criminals would be in solitary.
Either way, I would agree that it seems likely that they are an initial experiment by Ink, who has since moved on to other projects. They do seem to be merrily taking care of themselves and dying off, so leaving them to it seems like a pretty good idea, though i think they need some contingency in case they do break out.
The other interesting thing that I'm thinking about is how much of a leap it is between the behemoths and the little ones. They're structurally very different- did Ink do any other experiments before he settled on the Little ones? or did he just hit it really lucky in being able to perfect a technique so soon after the first one failed?
I keep thinking of religious allegory. children brought up in a belief system are a lot more likely to follow it unquestioningly and be more controllable than those brought up outside a particular religion. Could it possibly be the same with the Little Ones? Whilst they can be made from adults, he needs them from a younger age to be able to control them more?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
I like this a lot for a slightly different reason. We are pretty sure that KC's "Zombies" are not mindless eating / rage monster machines. If Ink is providing an ideology, it is possible to negotiate and eventually have peace with an intelligence.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZombieWildfire
Well, it's quite close to the one from 41.3, which, as far as I can see, is the same as the one from 25.2.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRedBeard
Other than that... Well, it reminded me of the song 'Where are we going from here' by Blackmore's Night.
And a thought I just had... Wouldn't it be fun if Scratch isn't looking for Pegs anymore, but Lizzy? They just refered to her as "she" in the scene, no name's mentioned... Far fetched, but still... It's the last season, the crazy theories need to pop up now, before it's too late.
Is it me or is Scratch marching into her own death? She been clever and a fighter but every-time she gotten against the tower and/or the colony she had an advantage over the situation. This will be the first time that she has no idea of what is going on. Even Tardust sound hesitate to her madness. She about to enter semi-alerted colony, prepare for a zombie attack, without any knowledge of who is in there. I don't even think she know that there a camera network setup to watch zombie movement around the area. I think her blind rage is about get herself killed. What if Michael decide to "send" a group to the prison to bait her and use that as a deathtrap for the mallers ?
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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
"It's called... Vendetta."
Scratch is back and I'm all :britt:
Pete is a spy for scratch, just say'n.
Who doesn't want the well fixed because it is bad for business? Pete
Who is staying behind because of their shop? Pete
Who has the worst reason for staying behind? Pete
Who got over the wall without getting stopped by the prisoners? Pete
Where has scratch been getting drinkable water so close to the colony? Pete
Pete is staying behind for scratch not for his little water shop that he won't be able to stay at once everyone leaves. /mycrazyprediction