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Originally Posted by awkwardalex
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I listened to most of the Bert scene with face squinched up in a look of pain. It was really hard to listen to and I've decided that if there's a video I aint watchin'
Poor Burt... :( :(
Forget when Tardust tried to rape Lizzie. Forget when Scratch went to Angel's bedside. Forget when Riley and Kalani encounted the One With The Markings in the mental hospital while standing on a floor littered with fingernails. This is by far the most uncomfortable I have ever been while listening to We're Alive. When Scratch was destroying Shirely I got so uncomfortable that I was starting to feel sick to my stomach. To say nothing of when she cut off his trigger finger. I...I don't have words. It is the LAST thing he has, tearing it away...just...errrr...FUCK SCRATCH.
So now I am pissed and want to left alone in a room with Scratch. Bare hands, that is all I will need, as long as she doesn't have any knives. But she will have knives...ugh. She has crossed the line with me and is making me so mad.
Note I still love Jenna McCombie, but I HATE Scratch right now. I will not share any of my toys with her
Early part with CJ/Saul/Victor gang was good too but just didn't get me so emotionally riled up as Burt being tortured. I do like the fully armed truck that CJ has been keeping in reserve with lots and lots of guns. Kind of like that scene in the Matrix. I like the pissed off, but still refined and cunning Chinwee, out to avenge Shaun.
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Originally Posted by Ray
I agree that we should all be more civil in dealing with matters of disagreement. If someone makes an unpopular or confusing comment very little is gained by the overkill of ridicule or satire. A better response would be to first determine if everyone is discussing same points and from what perspective. If all else fails, just agree to disagree or wait and see how the story unfolds.
Perhaps we can better judge Scratch's character by examining how she fits into the story-telling, or narrative, structure. By now, most of us have concluded that the story is told from the perspectives of the protagonists from the Tower. Sometimes the story is told from journal entries and other times we witness the story from a third person perspective limited to the heroes' experiences. Our view of Scratch will be limited by the heroes' interactions with Scratch. Keep in mind that she makes rare appearances in the story, and when she is present, she is usually seen by the main characters as a menace from one extreme to another. There have been few instances that would allow us to see her with any depth as those more personal sides of her would not be seen while she is taunting or tormenting Michael, Angel, Saul, Burt and the others. There have been instances when we can hear glimpses of humanity (Not necessarily compassion) in her voice, such as calling out John's name after he is shot, asking Angel if it is OK to pick up her brother's body, comforting a dying Angel or asking Lizzy if she's been sick at the Car dealership. We all can see how her tragic past can leave her scarred, especially when the story of the rape is spelled out for us. But, this is an audio drama and actors must show us things with their voices if the dialogue is vague or not explicit. Listen to how she sounds when Saul is listening to her and Latch outside the clothing store in Chapter 6 part 2 starting around 16 minutes. She says that she is 'not a waste', she is 'useful.'
God damnit... I can't read all this. Cliffs? Anyone?
Remember that time that Ray went on a 400 page rant, and I never read it? That shit was awesome.
a couple of fellas seem to think scratchy is getting to be a cliche evil character(i think,questioning how kc has written her)..we all party like its 1999. purple rain foolQuote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
i dunno...had a beer or two
All righty, I read through most of the thread now. Seems to be a lot of "noes Kc you made the Scratch le evil again!!!11one!11ty" going on. I can dig it. Alex, I don't need to spin this in any favourable light. Scratch hate is par for the course here. You all know my feelings about it, there's no need to rehash the same words. That said....
Fanfuckingtastic chapter so far, Kc. Really, really fantastic. I enjoyed Jenna's performance immensely. Kudos to you, sir. As for Jenna, well... I already shared my thoughts about the performance, but I'll thank you once again. Thank you, thank you so very, very much, Jenna. You've been glue. Wonderful to listen to and very moving.
As for the Scratch haters... keeping glossing over all the good that she's done if it'll help you sleep better at night. It's cool, I don't mind.
Goddamn, son. I've been drinking all night with my aunt from back East. She showed up the other day, haven't seen her in almost 10 years. Anyway, yeah, I caught a lot of the 'oh she's so blah blah blah cliched, blah blah blah' and tuned it out. Too much hate and angst over a fictional character. You'd swear that Scratch had pissed in their corn flakes or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
p.s. Listening to Raspberry Beret.
I think you need to go back and re-listen.Quote:
Originally Posted by wh33t
what sucks is, i kinda agree with this, maaaaaybe not the finger bit (its his finger man, come on now) but shirley destroyed i thought of as a good thingQuote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Of course you agree. Why wouldn't you? I always speak the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
except that one time you told me the snozberries taste like snozberries...they most certainly did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
They totally do though. Snozberries just happen to taste like cat shit dipped in lemon juice. Not my fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
OK. Here I go.
Yay, I can hate Scratch again. I'm sending a Hate-seeking missile her way. Bravo, Jenna, Bravo!
Burt freaking CRIED!! With sobs, gobs and snot to boot. Too intense. I'd rather watch the ending of Old Yeller and My Dog Skip with Sarah McLaughlin singing in the background. Bravo, Scott Marvin, Bravo!
CJ jumped to a conclusion about Sean's death and Saul LIED to her!
CJ is straight crazy folks. She's lost it. She wants to STAY in her fortress. She hates everything Saul. Is she even planning on coming back alive?
Pete got some water bottles from CJ. I see him rebuilding his Empire.
Speaking of Empires, I have a feeling that if the Colony had a reactor core then Briggs would have picked up Scratch and toss her into it, Vader-style. He even talked to her like a child, "It's MY knife now. Take your ass to time out! 1...2...Scratch, don't make me stop this car!"
Glenn was interrupted AGAIN! I wish that was slot on a roulette wheel. I would ALWAYS bet on Glenn getting interrupted. Last episode he even got interrupted when he was allowed to speak! "Ah yes, the Satellite phone, I was going to say som...", "Wait! What kind of phone is this?"
Looks like someone might be on to something about Ink sparing Skittles because he was cuckoo. That would explain CJ being spared. Just saying...
a-friggin-men, sir. just wondering where her son that is gonna champion the war against skynet is hiding... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
I'm torn with Scratch. I love her for her evil maybe that's it. I love to hate the bad things she does but the mother in me wants to hug her and kick the shit out of whom ever hurt her so badly. I realized tonight I REALLLLLLY want to know more about her and her history. What was she like as a child cause no one starts out bad. The things in their world and the choices they make make them bad. Did she laugh did she have dreams hell when she what did she want to do when she grew up. TO many unanswered questions Kc... to many....
This is what I imagined when I heard about the S.W.A.T. truck ...Attachment 2022 Thanks CabbagePatch for clearing up this. http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/s...0Armored%20Van
I watched the 1970's T.V. show called S.W.A.T., as a kid,and was terrified of UPS trucks for years.
Hmmmm. It’s a gun. So what? Perhaps it’s because I’ve never had an emotional attachment to a firearm, but I don’t get it. The level of distress from seeing an inanimate object being broken was way too far up the scale to my mind. I get that it was named after his wife, I do, I get the whole connection, but it was still an inanimate object, it was a shame, sure, but come on. I hate to come across as a detractor as I love the series, but, probably for the first time I cringed a bit at the whole scene, until the finger was cut off, prior to that it was so far over the top it was in orbit. The finger cutting scene saved it and was very well done indeed, but, for me, was spoiled by what preceded it.
I think Scratchs wiki now needs to just say: She's a mean bitch
Or my dads version: She needs a bullet in the head.
Done! I already tagged her as 'bitch', but went ahead and added 'mean bitch', just in case anyone is confused as to her true nature. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by awkwardalex
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Originally Posted by VEE
What you fail to remember is that weapon wasn't named for his wife it was HER gun. That piece was her favorite weapon he carried it as he would carry the last thing on earth that was hers with him it was a piece of her like an extension of her soul/body. Burt and Shirley didn't have kids, he had nothing left in the world to hold on to that reminded him of what she was and who she was other then that weapon. The finger was nothing he can over come it any good marksmen can and will over come with time a handycap like the loss of a trigger finger. But the loss of the desert eagle will be hard. Part of me is glad it happened like Osi said maybe now he'll grieve her and let her go and find something to live for in what's left of the world now.
... like his finger?Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
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Originally Posted by daredevil
Huh?
Like his finger?Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
Nevermind. It made sense when I wrote it.
*laughs*Quote:
Originally Posted by daredevil
Ok as I'm still confused
Fantastic episode! I wasn't ready for it to conclude it went by so fast! I can't see all the post for some reason so please forgive me if this has been brought up.
Perhaps now we can put this whole” Poor Scratch" thing to bed. There are others in this story that have risen above difficult pasts and become heroes. I think by her actions in this episode she has proven once and for all what she is. A sadistic psychopath. She wants one thing, a chance to kill Pegs and avenge her brother. She clearly has no regard for anyone she has to destroy to get there. I am not even sure she wouldn't kill Bricks or even Durai in order to accomplish this. When she said she had a spare knife during this episode I thought ht she was about to pull it out and stick it in Bricks. Her insanity may be what finally brings the Mallers to ruin.
Nah I still feel bad for her. She's a damaged lost little girl. When she said she had a spare I kept wondering..... "Well if you have it why didn't you pull it?" I think Bricks standing up to her scared her. I mean he can pull the arms off biters in hand to hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuv
Man, there's a lot of good stuff being discussed here. For fear of posting a long as discussion regarding some of the cool shtuff here, I'm going to ignore it and hope it's all discussed in the next episode of WND.
I am still curious to see if anything happens to Tardust. It's my understanding that aside from being the explosives expert at the Mallony (Maller owned Colony = Mallony) he is also the communications guy. He mentioned, I forget when, that he was the one listening to all the Tower's "stupid bird talk" over the radios. So it would be reasonable to assume he has a similar position at the Mallony. I'm thinking he was put in charge of Glen. Since Tardust is such a bastard, I imagine working for him was hell and is what finally forced Glen to do something so drastic as to flee the Mallony.
Anyway, so assuming Tardust works at the communications center Saul, Victor, and CJ will likely run in to him in their attempt to get the other SAT phone. This could be pretty interesting as Tardust is the one who tried to rape Lizzie. Who knows what kind of craziness could happen should Saul discover that little fact. OR what if they rescue Lizzy first, then go for the SAT phone and run into Tardust? It could be Lizzy's opportunity to castrate Tardust!
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Originally Posted by daredevil
How am I insane because I feel bad for her, feeling bad doesn't mean I don't think she has earned the just rewards of a bullet between the eyes for her actions. I wonder what she was like before all the bad things. She was a child once a little girl I want to know what she was like then before the bad things.
We can only hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
Sorry, insane wasn't the right word..... far sighted perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
me having a visual defect doesn't explain why me feeling bad for her is bad :)Quote:
Originally Posted by daredevil
Nature vs. Nurture?Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
I do think any person has the potential to grow up to be a great person, but in Scratch's case, that ship has sailed...off the edge of the world!
It's unfortunate that her family was screwed up like that. I mean, she gave her cousin just what he deserved,but she's broken now. I hate to sound like a know-it-all but I have sensed this from her since way back when she first suspected Lizzy was pregnant. I didn't think she had an abortion though. I just imagined she was unable to bring a child to term.
I do feel for Scratch, or the Scratch that could have been. Who knows if we'll ever learn her real name. The day she became Scratch, the day her family left her with a daily reminder on her face, I figure that girl she could have been died for good.
You guys are all going to feel so stupid when the truth about Scratch is revealed.
Where? I searched the document and the word "weak" didn't even come up once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch