What else could Saul dangle in front of Scratch to get Lizzie back?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebogs
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What else could Saul dangle in front of Scratch to get Lizzie back?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebogs
Because who else would the mallers want? Unless Saul knows who the rat or shooter is, I can't think of who else he might offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebogs
And even then, why would the Mallers want the rat back? They do them no good if not subverting the towerQuote:
Originally Posted by Creem_Filling
Burger and fries?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
Seriously though, is Scratch now the unofficial leader of the mallers? If not, why would Durai want to swap Lizzy for Pegs just for the gratification of Scratch? Haven't they got better things to do?
Well the Mallers are split into two parties right now with Scratch leading the assault on the Arena while Durai does whatever it is he's doing "down south." Scratch's interest in Lizzie seems to be her own side project.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebogs
We don't know where Scratch is at the moment. Do you really think she picked up the radio when moving and Saul happened to pick the right channel. I'm not so sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
Amazing episode. You gus have already discussed a lot of what I have been thinking.
One extra note:
If you listen closely it sounds like the Man in the Pin Strip/Ink (still no firm confirmation on them all being the same 'person', but this seems a bit closer if we combine the chapter art and Kalani saying he is the same one that is at the arena) suit laughs as Riley is lining up her shot at about 5:16. It seems as if he knows that an arrow is not much of a challenge to him. Creepy!
HOW TO BUILD A BETTER ZOMBIE 1,2,3,4,5:
I do like this aspect of the story. Its very Stephen King to have a single evil presence that presents itself throughout the story that EVERYONE knows about in some way or another. The unstoppable Arrow catching INK character is building his army of Special Infected(L4D?) to do battle at a later date.
GET TO DA GENERATOR!:
Who would have thought the hospital had an unused tertiary backup generator tank, fueled and ready to be siphoned over to the main generator!? Dare I say Nobody? ;) The Elevators were mentioned earlier in the chapter but I thought it was to let the listeners know they couldn't be opened or ascended (silly us!). Those that thought Burts WalkieTalkie project would come into play as an Explosive Decoy this episode (I sure did not) BRAVO!
TO SACRIFICE OR BLUFF?:
Saul is in love and will do anything to see Lizzy again I get that. Offering up Pegs to see Lizzy is a line he will not cross. It has to be a bluff but we know the last poker game Saul played didn't turn out in his favor.
First things first, prop's to Kc and the whole crew for a great episode. I usually listen on the way to work but I had to listen to this as soon as I got in today. I was fully ready to come here and give massive prop's to all the board members who were predicting Burt's final heroic fling as they were getting onto the helicopter. I'm also not sure if its because I usually listen on headphones but this episode felt like the musical score was used to an even greater effect than usual.
On the question of who, if anyone, Saul would give up for Lizzie. He could probably fairly easily snatch Peg's from the airfield (and a face off between him and Victor potentially crippling the helicopter beyond repair in the process would be pretty epic) but he has to know that would be the end of his time with anyone associated with the tower and I feel that would include Lizzie.
When he switches to the new channel he does check if "nest" or "vulture" are listening before trying to contact Durai (although for the first radio contact he kicks off with "hey") which struck me as significant but I don't know why. On a tangent from that Kelly goes to the trouble of using Saul's codename but then gives out his location in plain speech?
Ok, I had a thought about something that happened during the episode and on a hunch googled it. Would it be bad form to share that information? It's possible I stumbled on a little of Kc's inspiration..
The bluff has occurred to me as well, however I'm not positive that's the case. There's no telling what someone is capable of when it comes to a loved one. Morals and ethics do tend to fall to the wayside if that's what it takes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoMoney
If this is a bluff one of two things will happen: We won't know it's a bluff until season 3, or someone will call the bluff and someone will die because of Saul.
Hi, Im new to here, so be gentel, but Im really, really confused. Where on earth did the idea that the Mallers actually want Pegs come from?? I honestly dont think Saul would offer up anyone from the tower, what if he is actually offering up the TOWER itself as a trade since they have a means of getting out of LA
After a second listen through, I notice the sign: Cain Mental Hospital. I bring relief to troubled minds.
Why would it say I. Surely a sign like this would say 'we' normally. Could this area be some sort of private hospital, run by one guy. Cain perhaps? hmmm...
Very unlikely to be story related, but why a helicopter have chocks? No idea.
Also, I don't think anyone has asked what film Burts radio distraction was from.
I believe Saul is going to try and trade Lewis for Lizzy because as far as Saul knows, Lewis is the rat. He will of course be told that Lewis isn't the rat. He could do what everybody is thinking and get Pegs for Lizzy.
Did anybody else think for a split second that the chopper was malfunctioning before the narration came on? And Cain Mental Hospital, could this be the mental facility INK was taken to that the TiVo was talking about (I'm listening to earlier episodes to find out)?
Also if one maller knew about explosives, then another maller might know how to fly a helicopter. Prisoners were working people once too. I still hold on to my shrinkingly possible theory about Kalani.
Finally, Great episode Kc! Can't believe none of us predicted the use of the elevator. Also will that giant generator make an appearance again? It's huge, and it's powerful.
The idea comes from Scratch wanting revenge for killing Latch. Saul knows Scratch has Lizzy, meaning if he offers a trade he can get his girlfriend back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss
And he really doesn't even need to "trade" Pegs for Lizzy per se. He just needs to let Scratch know where Pegs is right now (with no defense other than Datu and Victor). If Saul has been listening in on the walkies, he would have a pretty good idea that Burt/Kalani are no longer at LAX, and Victor might be a pimp, but he isn't going to be able to take out an entire squad of Mallers before they finally get him.
Once a Marine always a Marine! "Semper Fi"Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
It may be that whomever Cain was had that phrase installed when he paid enough to have the hospital named after himself. Or was a famous phrase of his and he worked there and was named after him once he died....but it doesn't say memorial, so I'll go with the prior.Quote:
Originally Posted by GD_Elite
Chocks are used for most aircraft, even helicopters. Especially if there's the potential for it to roll off the roof of a very tall building.
Its possible Saul doesn't intend to rejoin the Tower. He did seem pretty willing to stay behind before and if his need to get Lizzie has clouded his judgment enough, he may be willing to say "Screw the Tower, I need my Blondie!" And I'm sure he isn't considering the idea that Lizzie will be pissed at him for turning over Pegs, he's too blinded by his emotions (Assuming he is planing on turning Pegs over and this isn't some sort of badly thought out bluff).Quote:
Originally Posted by symon_r
First of all welcome to the forums! Scratch wants Pegs because Pegs killed Latch and Scratch want her revenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss
I like this idea nik. Its seemed a bit unsettling to me that they just left Pegs, Datu and Victor alone for pretty much all the chapter. It could be really interesting to see what happens there and puts several other characters at risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
The only flaw I see is how dedicated to Scratch the mallers really are. The Scratch/Pegs thing is personal. I can see some of the mallers being pissed that they are going off plan and potentially risking there lives to go swap one prisoner for another.
EDIT: Why would a helicopter roll of the roof. I wouldn't have thought it had wheels?
I agree. In fact, I'd expect resistance to the idea from just about every Maller she's with.Quote:
Originally Posted by GD_Elite
I also expect Scratch to gut the Maller that tries to stop her, especially if Pegs is within striking distance.
It's on top of a roof, at least 16 stories off the ground where the wind can blow it around. It need to be held in place and the blades tied down so a strong wind doesn't damage it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GD_Elite
All of this is completely true. I came to post it, but was beaten to it (damn you HardKor).Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
man im so glad they all got out. But that ending who could it be? cant wait for the season end
There was a lot of love for Brick(s) here - perhaps him interfering in a trade resulting in no-one being turned over to the Mallers would be a fine way to either give him a heroic end or bring him into the tower?Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I get the feeling that Saul only really contacted the Tower to double check what channel they were using, not to tell them he was actually coming back. That is why he changed quickly then double checked. He did pass on information, but it was secondary to his confirmation of channel.Quote:
Originally Posted by symon_r
I have a feeling that Saul is going to go for Pegs 'with' the Mallers (whether bluffing or not) and then the second chopper from Cain will land back at the airport and all kinds of crazy will go down.
Remember that Saul doesn't necessarily know that Burt etc have left the airport so he may expect them to still be there to back him up
I'm with you on the 'all kinds of crazy' going down. I could see a showdown between The Mallers and The Residents beginning but interrupted by an attack by the Zeds culminating in Scratch and perhaps a few of the surviving Mallers being taken aboard the chopper as either prisoners or refugees.Quote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
If Saul's plan is to take a whole bunch of people to attack the mallers when they come to LAX, what is to stop them just shooting Lizzy. Saul may be reckless, but he isn't going to try something that stupid and risky to Lizzy without some sort of plan.
Did anyone else catch the part mentioning about the hospital having a mental wing to it. and that in the beginning when Lizzy was checking the tivo, the news said that they were moving a convicted felon nicknamed "ink" to the mental hospital and thats when everything started to happen(the riots)?!?! i just thought this point should be brought up a bit. i have a feeling this will come back in the story.
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Originally Posted by GD_Elite
He doesn't seem to have any plan beyond finding Lizzy.
Don't worry. It was mentioned already ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by uuhhhuuu
Chapter and time code please.Quote:
Originally Posted by uuhhhuuu
It's chapter 2-3, 20:50, but it doesn't necessarily correlate to the start of the riots. That's an assumption right now. The broadcast doesn't say what time Bill Roberts/Ink was being transported from jail to the mental facility. And of course we still don't know that Bill Roberts/Ink is Patient Zero, or just a very convenient person to turn quickly in the outbreak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Thanks, Moves.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Thanks, that idea makes some sort of senseQuote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Here's something to think about - the hospital appears to have been subject to lots of zombie activity. Considering that the arena blew up only hours before, that must mean that zombies were there for quite some time before. If that is where the tattooing was taking place, why weren't they there permanently before? Why the arena? It doesn't make sense for the zombies to set up in the arena, even though the hospital is where they are (presumably) working on the creatures.
I'm going to go ahead and say TOWTM, or his stand-in, were experimenting on survivors and biters. And then I'm going to say called it.
Great episode. Really thought (Read: Hoped) someone was going to die though.
First of all I am pretty sure that the arena blew up the day before the events at the hospital. Maybe the arena was just a big enough area to fit them all in. Especially if they are doing gruesome things to survivors and having all the other zombies watch? Your guess is as good as anyone elses.
Wow that took me about an hour to read through 15+ pages of thoughts. I for one would like to bring up the point that Saul getting Pegs is a major assumption being made. Neither party suggesting or insinuated that she was a potential trade piece. Also, I don't think Saul has any intention of heading back to the tower or LAX because of the time consumation that it would take. He's most likely already thought of a scheme and probably has something to do with any, some, or parts of bodies laying around the arena.
I'd also be willing to be that Scratch is also bluffing. I don't think Lizzy, Tar or Bricks have made it out of there yet or at least haven't met back with Scratch. I see a double bluff going on here.
I did think that was a fantastic episode and my coworkers probably got a kick out seeing me jump a few inches out of my seat during the mental hospital part!