Good point, it sounded like it was going to be some sort of funny story, not the deep, sad story that we were told...Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
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Good point, it sounded like it was going to be some sort of funny story, not the deep, sad story that we were told...Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
You can imagine it would have been made lighter. " I got stuck trying to escape somewhere, when someone who was helping me let go ... Etc" He wouldn't have admitted his struggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooer
Ok, I see it. I was just wondering, since there is kind of a close connection between both events. And I wonder if Michael is really so hardcore to blind out such a serious event happening within minutes of the arm breaking ... Well, maybe he is, considering is low skills in empathy ... :D
Robot Michael ...
There are exceptions to policy that allow small amounts of ammo (a few thousand rounds) to be stored at an armory in preparation for range operations. I have know of instances where that "short-term" has been an entire fiscal year in order to avoid drawing and returning ammo to an ASP. In reality, units often have a small stash of ammo that violates regulations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
It would be interesting to learn what MOS Saul had planned on reclassing to.
Good background on the NTC patch, but I wonder why the commander is not a general...I assume the original commander died in the initial event. The Colonel might be the commander of the 11th ACR or a member of the staff.
NTC is a training center; it should have a large planning and operational staff with strategic and operational training capabilities...an addition of an E-5 35F shouldn't be such a big deal except for SGT Cross's experience...there should be plenty of senior NCOs and Field/Company grade officers in the S2/S3 shop that would have taken him in. This can be explained away as the majority of the staff being on leave during a long break between NTC rotations.
If this story-line were edited from the beginning, I would recommend making Michael an E7 or an E6(P) as opposed to an E5. As a "hard charger" it is not implausible that a 35F could be a SFC in 9 or 10 years (assuming he enlisted at 17 or 18). This would make it much easier to see him as the dominant leader in the group over Angel--he would have experience, age, and rank and would probably have the contact with field grade officers that would support his relationship with the Colonel. The first chapter says that Saul, if he kept his mouth shut, would likely outrank Michael--this would have to be changed to support Michael's new rank.
Angel is described as a "spoiled kid", but his family ties seem that he might be a gypsy or a member of a non-privileged group.
Bell, CA reserve center does not seem to have a unit that supports all of the character's military specialties. Could be from the MP BN with SGT Cross filling the 35F E4 position and Saul reclassing to MP with Angel slotted as a non-MTOE detachment executive officer to get him "command time" outside of his public affairs detachment.
General feedback: Season 1 was good story-wise but was very weak production-wise. Season two was decent in both respects with season 3 being excellent in both respects (voice acting improves a lot over the 3 seasons, use of sound effects, story editing, and the plot).
I have not begun Season 4, but if you intend to continue to work on the series post-production, I recommend doing some heavy editing to season 1 as it does not meet the season 2 or the season 3 standard.
Keep up the good work!
That would have rivaled Burt's rank... and I wouldn't have wanted to do that. I also feel that E-5's have a much different mentality and age, and better fit for what I wanted. He's an e-6 in Irwin though...Quote:
Originally Posted by shadrak
He still had $ and came from $. Legit $, that's another story.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadrak
Yeah, I sort of created a unit for them... It's a non-specific unit for a few reasons. If I chose something specific, then there might have been some story ghosting issues. Like if I based it off of a unit that exists, there would be a lot more strings to tie down.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadrak
Well, we got better as we went that's for sure, but you have to start somewhere. We went back and remastered Season 1 and it's much better on CD than the podcast form. So if you listen to the podcast version, I recommend going back and doing the other version.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadrak
OK, now for something new entirely. I'm finally going to fix the extra "PUCK" in Chapter 24.
For those of you who don't know, I made a pretty big mistake from season 2 to 3. I originally had a guy named "Puck" as a maller. He liked Hockey, that's where his nickname came from.
Anyway, at that point season 3 was still in outlining and planning phases and I ended up changing a character named "Pike" to "Puck". SO, what happened? I ended up with two Pucks... oops. Big oops. It's been driving me nuts. So, in the next few months it's going to get fixed and changed. I'll keep you updated on when, it'll take some time, but the name will now be "Biscuit". The funny thing about that... Biscuit is a nickname for Puck. It'll clear up the confusion and yet still remain the same.
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Originally Posted by Kc
I don't mind the 2 Pucks. How many Michaels would there be in LA at the time? I wouldn't call it a 'big' oops at all.
Also, I feel shadrak is pretty harsh with his criticism... I feel like telling him to start his own audio drama and see how well he fares. But anyway, it's the harsh stone that makes the knife sharp, so....
I have the remastered version of all three season's and they are amazing. Even though the podcast is free, the difference is more than worth the small amount of money. The cost is what you would pay to see three movies, and far less than buying those movies on Blue-ray DVD.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadrak
The 2 pucks will be fixed shortly! Finally... it's bugged me for SO long.
So, at the very beginning, why does the announcer say police aren't responding if we later hear the rioters are attacking police?
Sort of like a moving wall, not using force, and then BAM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eviebae
OH, I thought there wasn't a police presence at all (like they'd all rushed out to respond and been turned). That gives me different mind pictures.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
In episode 41, where Datu gets bitten, Tanya supposedly places a PICC line in his vein, right there in the torrential rain outside. She was a veterinarian, so that is surprising to begin with, but more, picc lines are placed while using an ultrasound, and requires a decent amount of precision, a scalpel, and just isn't plausible for the situation.A central line placed in the internal or external jugular veins are much more likely to be done in an emergency, or just a simple peripheral IV. As a nurse I have been involved in the placement of picc lines and central lines and ivs, and one of the others would be more appropriate for the situation.
I am not a nurse, but isn't a traditional Picc line set up to deliver a harsh drug to a location where the vein is larger? Tanya uses this picc line to make it easier for non-trained people to take a blood sample, so it does not really need to go far up the length of the vein. The port is the mos important aspect of the system, not the distance the line runs.
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Originally Posted by Danidelion
I've put them in before, but not the ones that go super deep like the one's you're describing. This is the very short version that goes into the skin maybe two inches at most. I might have the term wrong... Apparently the type I am thinking about is just refereed to an IV line. That might need to be fixed in the remaster ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
I posted this already in a thread about 47.1, but it's a past episode and everyone moved on (which makes me think about the finale: the community will be fractioned right at the most important moment in the series, but anyway)
So, Ink tattoes himself before the outbreak; after the outbreak he tries to find out which symbol protected him by experimenting at the jail. Except he is a zombie, i.e. he turned, i.e. by definition he was *not* protected. He has no reason to think any of the symbols protected him from being attacked and turned, because he was attacked and turned. I am stuck here.
This is part of the mystery, Clem. Is Ink turned? We hear the characters say so, but his eyes are still clear. So, if he is turned, he is still different from the vast majority of the ones we have seen. The protection aspect is not protection from the disease, as much as it is protection from the biters, themselves.
What we know is that he has clear eyes.
One of the marks seems to be "do not go there" or stop or protection.
Uh. I'm not so active on the forum so this is the first time I consider that Ink might not be turned. We heard it from Kelly and Tanya, and we've seen him do trans-human things, so I took it from granted. We had an entire episode dedicated to the witnessing of how Ink was turned, during which episode one character says verbatim "This is where Ink was turned". But then again you're right, the narrator is unreliable so my reasoning might in fact imply that he's NOT turned. At this point I would feel a bit cheated if it turns out he wasn't a zombie all along, but oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Just to explain, I indeed meant protection from the biters, not the disease. If he's turned, for all he knew he was not protected from the biters, because... well, he was turned! That means for all he knows the protection mark didn't work. To me it's of obvious but took me a little to see it.
It's something not contained in the story as we don't see his perspective, but with a little time, he discovered why others reacted to him differently. The symbols on the doors could have been just one of the experiments to see how he was different.Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
KC I've always wanted to ask how it is that in the first few chapters our heroes are able to drive around relatively easily even as there appear to be plenty of biters and you know, a normally functioning city only hours beforehand. I always felt that the transition is too sudden and in my opinion the weakest execution of the show. Only fractions of the population of millions are ever really accounted for, and the chaos on the road is greatly minimised. It's partially addressed with the we're alive banner and all, but it does seem a bit implausible in parts. Am I being pedantic?
Also do we ever find out what happened to the second Behemoth in chapter 35-36? Burt and co. killed Arrowhead but where did the second one disappear to?
Your first point, well, has a point. To have that much population disappear that quickly is a bit far fetched... The one gray area I sort of tend to use to my defense is it's not explicitly said how long Saul, Angel and Michael were in the Armory before they got out. It could have been like more than half a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by fridginators
Is that realistically enough time to deal with all of LA? No, but it's better than 15 minutes, which is sometimes what's perceived. BUT, Maybe in a future version I can add in a spot of narration to say how long they were in there.
Oh, Behemoth #2? That one was mowed down by the helicopter. So arrowhead bled out, and that one got shot up. They ended up taking the bodies out of there, not sure where to off the top of my head. I think I mentioned it somewhere in there when Datu was using a bit of its skin.
Yep, as a target for the Mata-Gun. :nik:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
Wasn't it also stated though that not everyone was turned??? Some were basically just ripped to shreds or eaten??? I always just took it as like 1 in 20 or so were turned..... Maybe even less than that when you factor in children which were probably all killed in the attacks since we haven't seen any other than little ones which were "grown" by Ink.... So maybe even say 1 in 50 people became infected, the rest just kinda got mowed down in the process.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
The last population I saw for LA(quick net search) was 3.858 million..... If 1 in 50 became a turned that is like 77,000 turned/infected.
We also hear early on from Riley and Pegs that turning only takes a matter of second..... so it could be that the whole incident was over in just a matter of hours as it would in theory get exponentially faster and faster as more and more people turned.....
either way I think it is highly possible, I think as KC mentioned the armory scene needs a voice over or dialogue to indicate the passage of time.
Yup. And this thread is where I'll be looking back at for the last and final remaster. So, if there's any last minute additions/changes you want, feel free. I may in fact even add in that one line from Tardust that people wanted in the Riley scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
"She was at the colony and..."
Riley - "You're lying".
That's sort of the gist of it, but I'm still debating on whether or not it's necessary. I have time to think about it. The final remaster for everything isn't for a while.
A thought...
There is a little bit of friction in a reserve Unit getting a call up so quickly. Is there a way to leverage the one weekend a month, two weeks a year? Hang a lantern on the idea that the unit was already scheduled to be active for training. Have Angel say something like could you come in a few hours or a day early or something? (1)
We have two dates, May 8th and Saul's "it's Friday." I do not know if training is a show up Friday evening or a Saturday morning, but it is something that is knowable and the dates could slide.
(1) whatever is most appropriate to match what normally occurs in real life.
The "Friday" thing is a very stupid early oops...Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
But, if a commander is being proactive, he can do what he feels is necessary. Their mission could just be humanitarian relief or even command support to bring other units in. It's purposely left unclear because the devil is in the details.
Another sugestion for the time line of the 1st episode - give Michael a short voice over about "not knowing how long he stood there staring at the tv in the commons room" or have the news caster say something about "your watching new fotage from x long ago"nor "re-enforcements are just arriving in the scene since the riot broke out y long ago".
Since angle is the one who makes the call, this should crumple some of the family did it tinfoil hat theories..,,,,,
That and the time interval between the first explosion and when Michael gets the call from Angel. 65.2 seconds... yeah, I timed it because I'm that kind of weirdo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
The general consensus among the fans... which I agree with is that time was compressed between leaving the class, walking down he hall, probably down a couple flights of stairs, muscling his way into the crowd of people gathered around the TV... maybe the crowd parting for him because they know he's a Reservist and Civvies looks to us at times like this, ect.
That depends on the unit and the training that is scheduled for that weekend. Reserve drills are divided into "MUTAs" which are equal to 1/2 of a day. Most drill weekends are Four MUTAs, Saturday and Sunday (Sat. morning, Sat. Afternoon, Sun. Morning and Sun. Afternoon). In my first reserve unit, most of the training weekends were Five MUTAs where we would report on Friday night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
It is perfectly plausible that the 223rd had a Range scheduled for that weekend, hence the ammo in the vault and it could have even been a MUTA Five drill.
It is unusual for Reserve units to have ammunition in their vault, but not unheard of. A quick "Hey Sarge, it's good thing we were going to the range this weekend, huh?" from Saul would seal it, I think.
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Originally Posted by Grognaurd
That was something that I came across when I was researching Title 10 and the Posse Comitatus Act. I read somewhere that unit commanders are given the liberty to proactively act to defend Federal Property in times of unrest. Given the above mention "time compression," it is within the realm of possibility that the CO of the 223rd and/or Base/Facilities Commander for the Bell Reserve Center to call in the troops when SHTF. It is better to gather them early, rather than wait for things to get really bad and have them not be able to get there at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
I say "read somewhere" because while i was doing the research for that post, that particular statement got lost somewhere in the some odd three dozen tabs I had open.
I gotta tell you though, chasing those ideas down the rabbit hole was incredibly fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by GamerGirl
Taking into consideration the nature of narrative delivery, time compression, ect. a lot of the foil hats do get crumpled. I now mine did... that's why a fair few of my harebrained ideas were prefaced with a whole lotta "If's."
However, we have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight being caught up on the series, as well as having Kc dispel a few things here and there as he saw fit. Future first time listeners will likely not have that benefit. Clarification and refinement in a final mastering seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Turns out we were Kc's beta testers before he unleashed this on the world. Hows that for foil hat?
Well, in some ways this is all an experiment. This medium is so rigid/flexible/experimental, that sometimes it's hard to know what comes across and what doesn't. We did get a lot right in the beginning, but we are far more clearer in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Shirt
There is some slack in the timeline. Later in the story, we guess that the outbreak seemed to start between 8:30 and 9:00. We are also told the outbreak reached Bell around 11:00. I figure Angel calls Michael around 10:00. Michael says he is about 30 minutes away from the base, so I double the estimate to account for increased traffic.
I think that point about people being killed at a far higher rate than being turned is highly important and I guess implicit in the show - Tanya pretty much says it explicitly in 47-2 that plenty of people may be immune but just got massacred. I guess the same with skittles.
I agree that while all this may be nitpicky it is important because as said, we have KC but any new listener - if this ever gets syndicated or effectively commercialised as a box set - won't be able to clarify these issues.
That all said the strongest component to this show is the fact that it does start up immediately and that it doesn't dilly dally with all the "what's a zombie" bullshit. We learn our characters through the melee, and the zombies aren't just another generic disaster or post-apocalypse plot device. So I don't think you need to focus too much more on the beginning, but as you said, a slight addition here and there would work out well. I think particularly the proliferation of zombies - Pegs' flower pot incident makes it seem that they're all around, whereas obviously when driving in chapter 1 Michael doesn't seem to see too many. Maybe he should see blood stained roads and nearly have a close call or run over something? I don't know. Not my story to tell!
As for the Behemoth #2, I guess I'm just surprised it didn't appear to be an immediate threat, that it didn't also enter the colony? I've listened many times to that episode. Maybe I just did miss something.
And I do hope you put in that Tardust line because otherwise it's unclear - I myself was just wondering why he doesn't say "I lived with her for four months". He is a bad liar so yeah it's easy for riley to call him on his BS.
Michael didn't see many during driving (I guess after they escaped the military base?) because they were spread out, hunting the humans. The first infected happened at spread out hot-spots, meaning the infection would of had to spread out from there, (such as LA), and move away, instead of examples like WD where everyone is already infected, they just have to die. Most people were just attacked, with a smaller percentage being infected, like how Pegs and Riley describe their first encounter. And the flower pot incident was several days after the initial attack - plenty of time for even more people to become infected, and more time for zombies to stop hunting and just wonder around more or less aimlessly.Quote:
Originally Posted by fridginators
That does make sense :)
I haven't went thru and read all the post here.... so I don't know if this has been mentioned or not.
But I was going back thru listening from the beginning and I noticed something that was kinda odd.
So when Angel and Saul get back to the Tower after finding Burt, they clean things up and then Riley/Datu/Pegs etc, etc, etc.... come out and say they all hid but it didn't work because it was like they knew where they were......
This is eventually where the whole scent theory comes from, etc, etc......
Sooo............... The part that struck me as weird was, before any of this happens Saul, Angel, and Burt all spend the night on the roof and when they wake up in the morning there are just zombies hanging out right below them. They don't even act like they know they are there, and you would know that Angel, Saul and Burt are all pretty smelly at this point... just curious why they weren't trying to get up there at them. There was 1 climber that tried.... but then its like the other just gave up and and decided to take a nap....
Maybe they were too dumb to find a way up......?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
I might be wrong, but wasn't there a ladder lock? I think Angel hit it on the way down and screwed up his ankle. It's been a while since that scene, mind's a little fuzzy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooer
Yea, i listened to the episode just now to see. You're rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Kc
yeah, I guess the issue was more the fact that they were described as almost being asleep..... like they had just moved there in the middle of the night...... perhaps after hearing the gunshot from Burt...... and then they just took a nap.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
I guess I was more thinking they would be down there making noise and whatnot trying to get to the 3 smelly guys up top......