Chapter 41-2 Eye Of The Storm

Man. What a worthless episode. Nothing at all interesting or clarifying in the slightest.

Why did my nose just grow 3' long?

Well worth the wait!

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

Not necessarily.

keep in mind the reason mike n co went to raydon is Randy, they ended up killing a little one there. Also, here in our scene with datu, Randy was there....and we now have another dead little one.

likely? No...but possible

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I've been going back and forth for the last 24 hours between Randy as an agent of Ink vs Randy as a helper of humans. Your little idea here doesn't help me decide in the least.... ;)

I do kinda like the idea of Randy playing the "teams" off against each other. We know he would have a good motive to want Michael's team to suffer. I'm also thinking Randy has had more than one run in with Ink given his involvement with the folistatin and the tattoo on his face (wait, is it a tattoo on Randy's face?). Maybe that's given him motive to want Ink's team to go down hard too.

Or, like you say 7odd, maybe Randy is using Team Human to deplete the forces of Team Ink....
Randy following Glen and Pete to the Colony and tipping off Ink.... Maybe
Randy dropping hints to Michael and the soldiers to get them to Raydon and then tipping off Ink.... Maybe
Randy knowing about the well at the Colony and then tipping of Ink.... Maybe

I almost wonder if there is a way to tie Randy to Victor and Tanya's adventure back to Ground Zero and Lucky #7....

i'm going to assume that Randy's biting of Datu was completely intentional to the last detail.
(from what it sounds like...)
Randy (possibly) waits for the sidearms to be emptied
He calls Datu as 'his' - "Mine!"
Randy drags him away from the group, then bites him
He then orders Datu to "Go."
Datu doesn't move, so Randy pulls him along (Datu thinking he's taking him away)
Randy finally says "Leave" and jets, leaving Datu alone

to me, it sounds like Randy is trying to keep his 'turning' of Datu kinda secrect, or at least partially hidden from the other Zombies. Maybe this is some sort of 'cry for help'? from TOWTM? i don't know.

Keep in mind, the words spoken by Randy could also have been for his minion-Zeds. "mine", "go", "Leave", are all pretty basic and to the point commands.

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Originally Posted by scbubba

I've been going back and forth for the last 24 hours between Randy as an agent of Ink vs Randy as a helper of humans. Your little idea here doesn't help me decide in the least.... ;)

I do kinda like the idea of Randy playing the "teams" off against each other. We know he would have a good motive to want Michael's team to suffer. I'm also thinking Randy has had more than one run in with Ink given his involvement with the folistatin and the tattoo on his face (wait, is it a tattoo on Randy's face?). Maybe that's given him motive to want Ink's team to go down hard too.

Or, like you say 7odd, maybe Randy is using Team Human to deplete the forces of Team Ink....
Randy following Glen and Pete to the Colony and tipping off Ink.... Maybe
Randy dropping hints to Michael and the soldiers to get them to Raydon and then tipping off Ink.... Maybe
Randy knowing about the well at the Colony and then tipping of Ink.... Maybe

I almost wonder if there is a way to tie Randy to Victor and Tanya's adventure back to Ground Zero and Lucky #7....

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solid analysis!
that last part makes me lean heavily towards Zombie Factions and a rift between them. Could one be vying for dominance while the other wants peace? (funny way of showing it.)

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

We have another time stamp. Michael describes the events of the Water Works as being about a month and a half from the, May 8th, beginning of the outbreak. Also, Randy has no idea just how long he was in the water works.

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Yea, I think we can nail down Michael's visit and that Randy has been there a while. CJ does not send him there because the water failed, she sends him there so it does not fail completely after they notice a drop in pressure. The most interesting aspect of this is that CJ sends people o the waterworks, but after Dunbar is attacked, she opts to fly solo rather than check to see if they are there.

Maybe... KC may be with holding part of CJ's story.

The whole Randy-thing is - again - a certificate showing how excellent Kc tells a story. We already know quite a lot about Randy. His background is almost covered. But the one important bit misses for us to answer the question, whether he is on par with the humans or with Ink's army. And the devilish thing about it: you can perfectly well argue in favor of both (and even more) theories.

If he acts on behalf of the humans, what does this tell us about zombies being humans or none-humans?

Best wishes!
Liam

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

He was with the group that snatched Tanya.
He was seen outside the Colony by Victor, but was joined later by others. (We don't her anything about his involvement in the attack, itself, though.)
Not sure if you can count the zombies that jumped from the alley to attack Puck as part of a group with him.

It is interesting to note that he was in the presence of an Inkling when Datu was attacked. It seems a bit too difficult for me to justify Randy being a rogue at this point. What do you think?

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Victor says, ... And he's brought friends... So, I do not think he was alone when he discovers the colony.

I think the inklings could mop the floor with a normal. Bigger, stronger, faster. I wonder if killing the inkling gave Randy the option to behave differently. The inklings have scratched in the past to turn people. Most of the normals seem to bite.

I have some really crazy thoughts here that are not even half baked :tinfoil: so, going to hit the pause button

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

The whole Randy-thing is - again - a certificate showing how excellent Kc tells a story. We already know quite a lot about Randy. His background is almost covered. But the one important bit misses for us to answer the question, whether he is on par with the humans or with Ink's army. And the devilish thing about it: you can perfectly well argue in favor of both (and even more) theories.

If he acts on behalf of the humans, what does this tell us about zombies being humans or none-humans?

Best wishes!
Liam

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So what this argument boils down to is "Trust Snape" or "Don't Trust Snape"

I like both sides to the argument. Randy is trying to help Michael by giving him evidence and facts to help him in his struggle against Ink.

I also really really like the idea of Randy tracking Michael to the ends of the Earth to torment him for not doing what needed to be done. That's one hell of a dynamic to have contained within a villain.

I don't know. Just a gut feeling but I still think Randy is working for Ink, his right hand man, just trying to bring down the enemy and eliminate the humans. I just don't think he is a double agent.

I'm not sure if Randy is a double agent - he's a zombie, why would he want to save the humans? But then again, it's possible - maybe he knows what he is, and wants to save the humans from it...

A few things I thought were interesting. Randy's eyes got cloudy really fast and Datu has yet to have them. Still bothers me that Datu has yet to talk about Hope. I know it is a minor complaint, but just makes me wonder. Last we heard of her was Tanya going "You treat him better!" then nothing else. Also disappointed. I know it is easy to say "I would do it" when none of us have been in that position he was in with Randy and is with Datu.

I don't think it was much malice with Randy toward Angel. I think it was half joke and half serious. He didn't wish he was dead or disliked him to the point he was like "Really. I really really wanted him to die just because I am not fond of him. God. I wish he had really died" and more making a joke about not liking him. His tone was more of a joking one than a "Shit... I was hoping he died"

SIDE NOTE:

I didn't post much last part due to work, but I find it very very interesting that Jay didn't attack Datu. Going back to Skittles saying they only really attack wach other when hungry. Also that Saul and Tanya have been attacked. Jay not attacking tells me that they know when someone is one of them or not, and that Tanya and Saul are not.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

So what this argument boils down to is "Trust Snape" or "Don't Trust Snape"

I like both sides to the argument. Randy is trying to help Michael by giving him evidence and facts to help him in his struggle against Ink.

I also really really like the idea of Randy tracking Michael to the ends of the Earth to torment him for not doing what needed to be done. That's one hell of a dynamic to have contained within a villain.

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Never trust Snape!!! or CJ!!!! :)

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Originally Posted by Gnex

Never trust Snape!!! or CJ!!!! :)

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So... CJ kills Michael in the end???

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Originally Posted by Grognaurd

I never served... Is the, I do not know what to call it, animosity, contempt, disdain, bravado, clique, between officers and enlisted men so great that Randy would not affirm gladness that Angel lived?

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Not necessarily officers per se, just incompetent and impersonal ones. Officers in the military, like the Enlisted are a mixed bag. It must be said that:

I have had the honor to serve with and for some of the best that the Army has had to offer. Men and Women who embody the spirit of the Officer's Corp's, live the Army Values and truly believe in the welfare of the soldiers under their command... that being given the command of soldiers is not a task to be taken lightly, not is it one to be taken lightly. I was once even been reminded of (then) Lieutenant Colonel Moore and I would have taken a bullet for him.

I have also experienced the unique displeasure of "serving" under incompetent, self-serving, even corrupt amateur politician hypocrites that were only in it for the next promotion. I have at least been able to bear witness to one get "passed over" for promotion. Twice.

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Originally Posted by Grognaurd

The US Army does not get called up for local law enforcement. We got people being eaten, so I can suspend some disbelief, but in my mind it is easier for a rogue element to call up a few people than it is for the massive legal bureaucracy to get moving. There are just so many levels of crap that the system has to churn through to get an order to Angel, Michael and Saul

They get called really early. Unless there is a conspiracy to contact them, we have to believe that events on the ground go up the chain of command of local law enforcement, filter to federal government, back to the military and back down to boots on the ground.

So, is Randy not surprised/Glad that Angel made it because of a conspiracy he knew was in place or just because of enlisted man bravado?

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This. ^^ This in spades.

Suspension of disbelief to get the characters into the story, write what you know... Kc was a reservist... OK, I'll buy that for a dollar.

But you're right. The mobilization of Federal Troops for what initially seems to be a matter of civil unrest is a far stretch. Not to mention that doing so skirts dangerously close to violation of several sections of the US Constitution and a lot of (I believe) USC Title 10. This is a matter that is more inline with the responsibilities of the National Guard. Mobilization of Reservists would require the order of either the President or Congress where the mobilization of the Guard would only need orders from the Governor. The thing is, even the Guard is a stretch. SHTF in LA, but the capitol is up in Sacramento. Buy the distance scale of the east coast that is three to four states away. How would the governor know to mobilize that fast, from that far away.

I've mused this point before and it leads me to believe that "The Families" had something to with it and/or had some form of prior knowledge of the event that were to unfold. I posit that "The Families" are of the ancient, secret society type with designs on bringing about the NWO. Angel knew this and disagreed, the reason he was on the outs with The Families. When SHTF, he knew what was happening and although it would be unlikely he could stop it, he had to do something. He called the CO and lied that Battalion called him because they couldn't reach him. It was all for not though, in the end all he got was two soldiers and himself.

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Originally Posted by HardKor

I'll admit, I was skeptical at first, but I'm starting to buy into the idea that Randy is The Starscream to Ink. If Randy has just enough of his humanity left to want to fight against what he's been turned into then maybe he could study whatever Ink is doing to look for a way out. And since he left Datu after biting him, maybe Randy will end up being the one who both infects and saves Datu.

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Originally Posted by Bullethead

Now just need to figure what he's selecting these people for. What does he have in mind? Ultimate payback for Michael not shooting him ? Ha?

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Don't forget the cover art for Chapter Four and the speculation behind it.

Yea, I am a fan of the families and conspiracy. To that I also add that Angel has his ring with him. If it was simply something that tied him to organized crime, I do not think it is something to have with normal day to day activities. But, a birthrite from a new world order once it starts...

We see more of Datu's religious side. He refuses to do the deed himself because of the unforgivable nature of suicide. He has even put thought into to his situation. He wants to die BEFORE he turns and not after. It seems that, with the exception of Tommy, zombies are not able to make this and carry out this decision. When Micheal suggests that Datu do it himself, he says that he can't. I think Datu came to this conclusion by comparing his knowledge of his impending horror to the knowledge of any other impending hardship. If it is a sin to commit suicide because you feel that you cannot endure an illness, grief, poverty or any other hardship of the human condition, then turning would fall into this category.

I've thought about what happens to one when they are turning and whether it would be best to die before, knowing that your death is coming, or die in a blaze of glory afterwards, when it seems that you're no longer rational and full of rage. What goes on in the minds of the turned? How much of their humanity is left? By humanity, I don't mean simple compassion and decency, but the self awareness that is at the center of one's consciousness. Are you trapped inside, watching yourself commit gruesome acts? Are you repulsed by the things you do as if some other agent has control of your actions? Stuffing human flesh down your throat as if the gears that connect your free will to your means of acting have been stripped, and your limbs are dangling from marionette strings controlled by some internal puppet master.

Are you simply gone?

I'm currently typing up the episode onto the wiki, and i got to the part where Datu thinks Randy said something to him. Randy definitely tells Datu to "Go". It then sounds like Randy pats down Datu, as if searching for something, then says something else, but I can't figure out what he is saying....

I have to hand it to all the We're Alive talent for doing such a great job, buuuuuttttt................. I'm gonna rib Jim Gleason a bit for his screaming in pain in this episode. :rolleyes:

Here is a new poll to pick the We're Alive Scream Queen.

http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/s...E-SCREAM-QUEEN

We're alive a story of how Michael Cross kills the rest of humanity with his poor decisions

Every decision we make have unexpected consequences.

RIP Datu

But I would Bite Michale for being a little bitch

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Originally Posted by Unit

One :tinfoil: theory I just thought about. What if Randy saved Michael somehow at the waterworks but got bit/scratched in the process; he asks Michael to shoot him so he doesn't turn into a zed but Michael can't stomach to shoot his savior (similar to how he won't shoot Datu now even though the other soldiers want to). Randy turns and Michael feels guilty that he let him turn into a zombie and others have died because he couldn't pull the trigger before. Now he is trying to right his own wrong, but he can't tell anyone because then people would blame him for some of what is happening. And we know Michael doesn't like to take blame (jambalaya MRE wrapper anyone? Didn't read Carl's report about little ones turning people into other little ones?)

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Finally, I get one of my theories right :)


A new episode comes out and gets released early even, and I still don't get a chance to listen to it for a few days... you just can't win.


I am glad to get clarification on what happened to Michael's arm and background on Randy. I see a lot of people talking on here about Randy maybe siding with the humans and I can't seem to get my head around that. How do the actions of Randy show that he may be siding with the humans? Trying to take Tanya, attacking the Colony, biting Datu.... where/how have any of his actions benefited the humans? KC is amazing and we may find out later that that is true and I just can't seem to get above it all and see the whole picture, but for now it just doesn't seem logical.

I am hoping that the tests on Datu's blood reveal something important that show that Datu is not in fact turning, or is turning REALLY slowly. Datu says that he will fix the water pump, but he wants Michael to take him out before he has a chance to turn. That is a balancing act of how long to let him work and when to pull the plug.

I find the change in Puck's attitude interesting. Last time they seemed pissed at Michael for not blowing Datu's head off on the spot. Now he seems sympathetic and even volunteers to help draw his blood? People's mind and moods can change but it just seemed a pretty drastic swing of the pendulum. Maybe he just is seeing what Michael was feeling, or maybe he wants Datu around now after hearing CJ's story about the water situation and so he gets why we still need King Datu to finish the job. I don't know.

Great, now we know the Randy story, but what about the arena? Did Datu 'look away' from the hockey rink or did he she what happened or was about to happen to Samantha?

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Originally Posted by Grognaurd

Yea, I am a fan of the families and conspiracy. I that I also add that Angel has his ring with him. If it was simply something that tied him to organized crime, I do not think it is something to have with normal day to day activities. But, a birthrite from a new world order once it starts...

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Here's a thought running in the vein of "identification." From Chapter 29, part 1/3 at 5:18:

Kimmet: "...but before we get to that point, I'm going to need your ID. I was told you brought it. Have it on ya?"
Michael: "Yeah. Here."
Kimmet: "Surprised you still had this. Good thing, because we don't have access to records."
Michael: "We were planning on coming here. It would have been stupid to leave it behind."

A hint?

If we are to go down the NWO conspiracy rabbit hole, it seems to me that like Michael's ID card, Angels ring could have served him as "identification" that granted him access to refuge.

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Originally Posted by Footbutt

i'm going to assume that Randy's biting of Datu was completely intentional to the last detail.
(from what it sounds like...)
Randy (possibly) waits for the sidearms to be emptied
He calls Datu as 'his' - "Mine!"
Randy drags him away from the group, then bites him
He then orders Datu to "Go."
Datu doesn't move, so Randy pulls him along (Datu thinking he's taking him away)
Randy finally says "Leave" and jets, leaving Datu alone

to me, it sounds like Randy is trying to keep his 'turning' of Datu kinda secrect, or at least partially hidden from the other Zombies. Maybe this is some sort of 'cry for help'? from TOWTM? i don't know.

Keep in mind, the words spoken by Randy could also have been for his minion-Zeds. "mine", "go", "Leave", are all pretty basic and to the point commands.

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the other side of this is that Randy purposefully bites Datu and tells him to "go", meaning go back into the colony, where he would turn and potentially ruin their safety. Perhaps Randy knew that Datu would be a slow turner, giving him a better chance to infiltrate the colony first before he turns. Or perhaps it is just Randy's bad luck that Datu is such a slow turner that they've all worked out what is going on and have a plan in place. Perhaps Randy knows that his bite will cause slow turning, which is why he wanted Datu for himself, or perhaps he couldn't trust the normal biters to not kill him entirely.

I actually really hope that this isn't the case, and that indeed Randy is in some way shape or form, on the side of the survivors. But its a possibility I suppose.

Which ever side he is on, it is clear that Randy retains a degree of humanity which many of the others don't seem to have. I guess we just have to wait and see what happens to Datu from now on.

I'm assuming the worst- its the only way to cope with the emotional roller coaster ride that is WA!

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Originally Posted by Unit

I find the change in Puck's attitude interesting. Last time they seemed pissed at Michael for not blowing Datu's head off on the spot. Now he seems sympathetic and even volunteers to help draw his blood? People's mind and moods can change but it just seemed a pretty drastic swing of the pendulum. Maybe he just is seeing what Michael was feeling, or maybe he wants Datu around now after hearing CJ's story about the water situation and so he gets why we still need King Datu to finish the job. I don't know.

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I'd go with the initial calls to kill Datu as being down to sheer fear and self-protection. Then, his attitude changes as the adrenaline wears off and he sees that they are not in immediate danger. I think it would be hard for anyone to witness Datu's situation and not be touched. I've been thinking "What would I do in that situation?" and the main answer I have come up with is "PANIC LOTS AND CRY MORE", whereas Datu, who is known for being a but hysterical in the past, is actually being quite stoical and brave about the whole thing. Puck and the others would pretty definitely be thinking 'there but for the grace of god go I', and that's got to be pretty sobering.

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Originally Posted by ZombieWildfire

the other side of this is that Randy purposefully bites Datu and tells him to "go", meaning go back into the colony, where he would turn and potentially ruin their safety. Perhaps Randy knew that Datu would be a slow turner, giving him a better chance to infiltrate the colony first before he turns. Or perhaps it is just Randy's bad luck that Datu is such a slow turner that they've all worked out what is going on and have a plan in place. Perhaps Randy knows that his bite will cause slow turning, which is why he wanted Datu for himself, or perhaps he couldn't trust the normal biters to not kill him entirely.

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randy= the shittiest henchmen ever.

i mean really, think about it. IF he is just doing "what the boss says" then how have any of his assignments been successful? bonered up the raydon run, didn't bring Tanya to the hospital, didn't get a slow turning datu to go back to the colony, i dunno....just makes him out to be a bad Scooby doo villain imo.

while i have no clue what side he may fall on, we do know inklings will kill regulars. so i stand behind the 'getting humans to kill inklings' thing. survival of the fittest, and if your not the fittest...be the most cunning.

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

randy= the shittiest henchmen ever.

i mean really, think about it. IF he is just doing "what the boss says" then how have any of his assignments been successful? bonered up the raydon run, didn't bring Tanya to the hospital, didn't get a slow turning datu to go back to the colony, i dunno....just makes him out to be a bad Scooby doo villain imo.

while i have no clue what side he may fall on, we do know inklings will kill regulars. so i stand behind the 'getting humans to kill inklings' thing. survival of the fittest, and if your not the fittest...be the most cunning.

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Oh, I think you are too harsh on Randy. The truth is, people like us, we love henchmen. There would not be 23 / 24 (Never Say Never Again) / 25 (Casino Royale TV movie) bond films if there had been at least one proficient henchman. What about all the legions of storm troopers who are abysmal bad at shooting?

First and foremost, people tend to neglect the fact that most henchmen are just Joe Average type of guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag_AFraxj-4

So awesome haha

I'm so far behind in this forum lately, its almost criminal!

Has anybody mentioned the theory yet that perhaps Randy bit Datu to save him from being attacked by the other biters?

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Originally Posted by tonyhind86

I'm so far behind in this forum lately, its almost criminal!

Has anybody mentioned the theory yet that perhaps Randy bit Datu to save him from being attacked by the other biters?

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I don't remember anyone suggesting this theory, exactly, but it sounds intriguing. Do, go on.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

I don't remember anyone suggesting this theory, exactly, but it sounds intriguing. Do, go on.

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I've seen the theory that Randy may have retained some of his humanity - either he felt sorry for Datu laying there crying, or perhaps he knew he would be a slow turner or even saw him as a non-threat. I'm glad we've only got 4 days till the next episode so we can hopefully get more answers.

I'm also hoping to see a confrontation between Ink and Randy so we can find out how their relationship dynamic functions. If my thinking is correct, I don't believe we've seen them in the same place at the same time.

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

randy= the shittiest henchmen ever.

i mean really, think about it. IF he is just doing "what the boss says" then how have any of his assignments been successful? bonered up the raydon run, didn't bring Tanya to the hospital, didn't get a slow turning datu to go back to the colony, i dunno....just makes him out to be a bad Scooby doo villain imo.

while i have no clue what side he may fall on, we do know inklings will kill regulars. so i stand behind the 'getting humans to kill inklings' thing. survival of the fittest, and if your not the fittest...be the most cunning.

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Someone doesn't understand the greatness* of having henchmen.

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*Forgive me for my error. :)

Finally! Michaels revelation about his arm didn't disappoint!

?"the greatest of having henchmen"?

does not compute.

What i want to know now is, how will Datu take the information Michael just gave him. Will he be sympathetic, or will be blame what happened to him on Michael?

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Originally Posted by tonyhind86

I've seen the theory that Randy may have retained some of his humanity - either he felt sorry for Datu laying there crying, or perhaps he knew he would be a slow turner or even saw him as a non-threat. I'm glad we've only got 4 days till the next episode so we can hopefully get more answers.

I'm also hoping to see a confrontation between Ink and Randy so we can find out how their relationship dynamic functions. If my thinking is correct, I don't believe we've seen them in the same place at the same time.

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We have, I think... Chapter 35, when he brings friends to the colony... Ink definitely is there since he orders the Little ones around in 36.
But besides that I can't remember any other place they've been together.
I like the idea of Randy trying to help the humans though.
Oh, and another thing. As I remember, someone mentioned Randy's eyes as getting clouded. Michael never says anything about that, he just says "Hey! Your eyes... Your eyes are..." and then goes back to whine about his arm. Of course he could have tried to say "Your eyes are getting kinda cloudy, dude, guess you're turning" but why would he want to do that? As far as I remember, they've only seen zombies with cloudy eyes at that point (chapter 8) so it's just normaly that your eyes do that. They haven't met any slow turners either, so he wouldn't just be able to think that "oh, they're gonna get cloudy in a few minutes". It sounds more likely to me that he'd point out the fact that they stayed normal, since pointing out what's normally happening is kinda pointless...
"Oh, Datu! You just kicked that bucket filled with Water! Now the floor is wet!" ... See? Pointless...
"Oh, Datu! You just kicked that bucket filled with Water, but nothing has happened!" ... Makes much more sense... Ehh... Maybe not, but anyways! I didn't sleep that much this night, forgive me for not coming up with a better example. :D

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Originally Posted by Storm

We have, I think... Chapter 35, when he brings friends to the colony... Ink definitely is there since he orders the Little ones around in 36.
But besides that I can't remember any other place they've been together.
I like the idea of Randy trying to help the humans though.
Oh, and another thing. As I remember, someone mentioned Randy's eyes as getting clouded. Michael never says anything about that, he just says "Hey! Your eyes... Your eyes are..." and then goes back to whine about his arm. Of course he could have tried to say "Your eyes are getting kinda cloudy, dude, guess you're turning" but why would he want to do that? As far as I remember, they've only seen zombies with cloudy eyes at that point (chapter 8) so it's just normaly that your eyes do that. They haven't met any slow turners either, so he wouldn't just be able to think that "oh, they're gonna get cloudy in a few minutes". It sounds more likely to me that he'd point out the fact that they stayed normal, since pointing out what's normally happening is kinda pointless...
"Oh, Datu! You just kicked that bucket filled with Water! Now the floor is wet!" ... See? Pointless...
"Oh, Datu! You just kicked that bucket filled with Water, but nothing has happened!" ... Makes much more sense... Ehh... Maybe not, but anyways! I didn't sleep that much this night, forgive me for not coming up with a better example. :D

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I think he was going to say Randy's eyes were going cloudy, as a note/confirmation that he is in fact turning. "Oh shit, your eyes are going cloudy! You're going to turn!" That kinda thing...

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

?"the greatest of having henchmen"?

does not compute.

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*greatness

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Originally Posted by tonyhind86

I'm so far behind in this forum lately, its almost criminal!

Has anybody mentioned the theory yet that perhaps Randy bit Datu to save him from being attacked by the other biters?

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That is kind of a thought that came to me.... Maybe there was a little one or something there and that is where the scratches on Datu's face. But perhaps why Randy is taking the stuff from Raydon to make an antidote he is testing on himself and he bit Datu to counter act the scratches... Complete crazy tinfoil I know... But the thought did cross my mind...

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Originally Posted by poniesandzombies

That is kind of a thought that came to me.... Maybe there was a little one or something there and that is where the scratches on Datu's face. But perhaps why Randy is taking the stuff from Raydon to make an antidote he is testing on himself and he bit Datu to counter act the scratches... Complete crazy tinfoil I know... But the thought did cross my mind...

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Another question, how does Randy end up at Raydon Labs, then the alley and now the Colony? How close is his base of operations?