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Originally Posted by Miss
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AWWW CHUCKS!!! *sniff*Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss
Another thought about bricks. It seems he's not fully in charge of feeding Burt but with the keys he had to open the door in the hospital he's most likely got all access in the colony. Think he's protecting Burt by dropping off some sort of food here and there? He was upset about how little he's fed already so could this be why in the future our group lets him pass into good graces other then the fact he's watched over lizzy?
Yeah I'm with you. Bricks is totally giving off a vibe that he's falling for Lizzie, and Lizzie is giving off a bit of a vibe that she might feel something for him too. That part where she talked about wearing his shirts made me sit up a bit. I know it's probably true that it's the only thing she can find to fit, but I just felt like there was more to it. We could have some complicated love triangles (rectangle?) developing if/when Saul/Victor/CJ finally find Lizzie and Bricks.Quote:
Originally Posted by werewolf
The Colony is short of water? Should have never gotten on the wrong side of Pete!
I'm pretty sure that Michael would not be too enthusiastic about this idea. I don't think Scratch would be either.Quote:
Originally Posted by PuddleWhite
I'm going to go on record and say that I don't think Angel/his father/a close relative was Scratch's older cousin. Based on the three-circle image on the ring, I'm thinking that "The Family" is actually composed of three largely separate "blood families". They are connected somehow -- perhaps through inter-marriage, and/or by some long-ago oath (the ring is old). I'm guessing that there are three surnames represented in The Family. I think we've met members of each -- Durai from one, Latch and Scratch from another, and Angel from the third. My gut feeling is that Scratch's older cousin would have been from her own third of The Family.
It is possible that the Mallers could listen in to the folks at Dunbar Tower. Well, not really because of the range of the police radios isn't that far. The DT folks will probably be caught if they use police radios near the Colony.
I was listening to Chapter 21 part 2, where Tardust mentioned that he and Bricks were in a police station. If they had enough police radios couldn't they monitor enough frequencies like how they did with the CB radios?
Interesting parallel story telling in the two parts of this story. Notice how the description of the "Family Ring" included the detail of the three interlinked circles, with arrows pointing outward.
Versus the Fort Irwin/NTC Shoulder Patch, with its three arrows pointing inward, forming a triangle.
I can't help but think that this is another sign of future conflict between the two.
That is cool Cabbage Patch! Also, did you explain in another thread about how police radio signals would be encrypted?
My thinking is, most survivors would take what they need. The DT folks would have 30 to 40 police radios if each person had one. The Mallers would take the normal radios to monitor for survivors, and I figure they would keep an ear open for anyone using police frequencies. Other than the zombies, the next greatest threat to prisoners is police.
I think what your refering to is epigenetics? Your DNA remains pretty much the same except for any mutations caused by incorrect replication. What changes are the genes turned on and off by external factors. How ever as far as her personality is concerned Phenotypic variables have a much larger impact than Genotypical variables. I think living in a crime family and being raped counts as a major enviromental stimulus.Quote:
Originally Posted by wh33t
He might be "feeling" something for her but Lizzie primary emotion is fear. I do not feel her love for Saul or his for her is so shallow it would change.Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
I dont see that there's any proof or need for the cousin to be in the here and now. Its not Durai, evidenced by the fact that Durai isn't dead. It may be Angel's father, i guess, if you fiddle with the timings enough. The point is, the cousin is dead, Angel is dead, and its all a part of the backstory, not the survival story.
Here's a thing. I think a lot of the 'meatless' talk etc is based on a change of listening routine. The difference between having 30 or so hours sat waiting to be listened to whenever one wants and then suddenly stopping and having to wait a week, sometimes two, for twenty more minutes’ results in the expectation of what will be in those 20 minutes being greater, we can, effectively, go 4 weeks with no action at all, which is fine, but previously that 4 weeks might have been about an hour, until we all reach the point where we are caught up. I know that, for myself, the listening experience is more disjointed and I do want to have that option to just play the next episode straight after the last one. This is impossible of course, but the feeling persists. I’m quite looking forward to starting this season again and just listening all the way through as I process things much better that way.
I do get what people are saying though, episodes taken in isolation can appear to not have much in them, and let’s not forget that not everybody dissects and analyses each episode, they just listen, and in the last episode the two key points were finding a broken phone and a pregnant woman, both things that we knew from previous episodes, and we had to wait 2 weeks for that. Now I have no criticism of this at all, and this thread is itself proof of how meaty this episode really was, but other people won’t see it that way, and I can see why. When listened to from start to finish it will be seamless and paced and timed beautifully, but the release schedule will always give a false impression of how the story is developing I think.
In short, don’t get annoyed about it I guess, there’s no point, it’s just the way things are.
We have gotten so used to being able to watch full seasons on DVD or Netflix that we've become spoiled. We want action, knowledge and the ability to play the next episode. When we can't? Frustration! Anger! Tossing out blame! Demanding that our needs be met. Like a five year old addicted to crack. Simile.Quote:
Originally Posted by VEE
Chill out. Relax. All in good time.
I think Lizzie should ask Scratch to be her son's protector. That'll complicate matters. I'd love to hear Scratch's reaction to that. I think she would seriously consider it. Then when Saul busts Lizzie free, we'll see Scratch get really pissed.
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Originally Posted by Nate Eeez
I wonder if Lizzie will name the baby John
Well, we know she won't name him Henry.
you never know, she had a real moment with scratch. if that keeps up, she may come down with some twist on stockholm syndrome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nate Eeez
Do you really think a dr of psychology would succumb to Stockholm syndrome? I think Lizzie is tougher then that. I heard fear in her voice not empathy for scratch . Lizzie had proven to be a very smart , capable , bad ass on multiple occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
I think anybody can succumb to Stockholm Syndrome. You do what you have to to survive. Even someone schooled in psychology can start to identify with her captors. Besides, Lizzie never really used her training except during her internships. But trained as a therapist she can empathize with her clients. Even those who commit heinous crimes. You're trained not to judge. Can be difficult at times, but that's where the empathy comes in.
Yes I have heard Gabor Mate speak of Epigenetics. I would presume the Epigenetic effects occur after birth. But while genes are getting formed and programmed in Utero the mothers Environmental stimulus is also wiring information into the fetus. So the environment plays a role as soon as there is an Environment. The mothers stress levels, sugar levels, fat levels, and all kinds of other things affect the fetus' development. It's pretty amazing how much we know about behaviour and where criminal behaviour and addiction is derived.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solanine
To bring this chat back to Scratch, it seems rather obvious that her being tough and cruel affords her respect (or maybe just fear) from those around her. Either way, it's become a mode of survival for her, which is common for criminals. There are times where I see Scratch as this incredibly beautiful expression of feminine power, it's terrifying, but somehow beautiful at the same time.
Point well made thank you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nate Eeez
I think Scratch has some humanity left inside her. Perhaps, more than we want to give her credit for. A beautiful person who's had to live/grow up in a very difficult environment. Fear = respect. And her gender being a huge disadvantage against her, she's had to be twice as mean. I've always had a weak spot for the bad guys/gals showing their human side. I root for that side to win. They can still have their moments of jerkiness, but I want them to be good people in the end. Even if it kills them.Quote:
Originally Posted by wh33t
That said, I do not hold out hope that the zombies realize they shouldn't eat other people. I say shoot 'em in the head.
Aye. Scratch is my favourite female villain. But I admit I can't think of too many. Can you name some?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nate Eeez
Megamind! Though, not a female villain.
Faith from Buffy the Vampire Slayer series.
My question is, what is Durai so urgent about? I figured it was given that he is not interested in Ft. Irwin. Great episode. I was waiting for a 'Lizzy having twins' drop. I wish i would have watched Family Ties to get the hint. Did anyone figure it out? All I know of the show is, Michael J. Fox is a republican son of hippie parents.
once again my procrastination has led to spoiling my come back to the forum. I was all set to document my Kelani theory but i put it off then next thing I know they are reading his Journal and telling his story. (I had everything right except I thought Hannah was his girlfriend. Every single detail was the same as KC wrote it) Then I was going to come back to the forum and declare my love for scratch and her sexy misunderstood self. But Oh no KC cuts me off again and makes scratch a little more sympathetic.
Its my own damn fault for neglecting the forum I guess..... Well no more!
I agree. I have been thinking what if she is putting on a charade. But five months of being held captive would be so exhausting, just being defiant would be tiring emotionally and physically. That would have to be part of why ANYONE could have Stockholm Syndrome, it would be to exhausting, even more so when you’re in a no way out situation. I doubt Lizzy has any idea where she is or how to get back, she is pregnant and "alone". She probably doesn’t even know that this is where Michael, Pegs, and Kelly went, and they would have never made it out without Victor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nate Eeez
Now on the flip side the only one who could handle this would be someone with military training. Burt would have had SERE training, that's Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape training.
*just to be clear, I am not in the military my knowledge goes as far as watching Homeland on ShowTime and having a third cousin whose a Military Police Investigator*
SERE has been around since the Korean War, now Burt may be a little rusty but he HAS the training.
So I think that Lizzy may have Stockholm, and who can blame her (if there was any Maller I would trust it would be Bricks). But I think Burt may have some tricks up his sleeve.
KC confirmed that it was Angel who was shot and killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solanine
Not to mention, the doctor had lines after the shot was fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Just to be clear, she does not say that the cousin is dead. We can assume that it is LIKELY that the cousin is dead or turned. As a work of fiction, it is noteworthy that Scratch emphasizes that she has to live with a reminder everyday. This isn't necessarily evidence to support Durai being the cousin but evidence to suggest that, by way of innuendo, this could be one of many possibilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by PuddleWhite
Sometimes a cigar is a cigar, sometimes ce n'est pas un pipe. Attachment 2006
To re-iterate...
For all who talk of the saving of Lizzie and...burt. Burts rescue depends on the turning and sympathy of bricks. Aside from him, none of our crew know Burt lives...so while we may speculate of lizzies Stockholm syndrome...we had better hope she's pulling a bit of reverse psychology on him...and bricks is the one with Stockholm syndrome. Otherwise a rescue may be for a party of two. Not three
I was wondering that too. The only reason I can see they still want to find anyone form the tower is to avenge Latch by killing Pegs. And Durai seems to want dispose of Burt and move on to "more important matters". I'm curious about what they're working on. I was surprised when they launched a pretty effective offensive on the Arena, so I've got to think they're planning something else. Is it zombie related or something different?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamPaul
Right! I've been so caught up with other tid bits I completely forgot Durai's haste in the process. Hrm! I say it has something to do with tracking down INK. We've heard Scratch mention in regards to the little ones (when they were actually little) that "this is just the beginning, and Durai understands that"... The prisoners know a hell of a lot more than we give them credit for me thinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombiephyllic
I was trying to put myself in Lizzies shoes earlier, just to see how I would feel in her situation. She has been with the colony/mallers now for longer than she was at the tower hasn’t she? They have provided her everything she needs in her current condition, she even says herself that she wouldn’t want to be out there in her present state. She has a bodyguard, not only to ensure that she behaves, but it also serves to protect her form others there. She has medical care, is fed, watered and doesn’t have to struggle at all.
I’m a parent, although a dad and not a mum, and I’m sure that her number one priority is the child inside her, regardless of who the father is, and I can’t see her heading off with a rescue party. Not when it puts her and her unborn child (or possibly baby by then) in so much risk. In the early months parents tend to treat their babies as though they are made of china and the slightest little bump could shatter them, a daring escape won’t factor in at all as she would be putting her child in danger.
Now circumstances could change so that an escape is the better option, which would mean that the child would have to be in imminent danger, by which I don’t mean, say, Scratch adopting the baby as her own, as the child would not be in danger in that circumstance (and though heartbreaking, I think a parent might allow it in the short term as long as the child was safe), so the child would have to be threatened before Lizzie would strap it on her back and go running off.
These are just thoughts of course but they make some sense to me and I get a feeling that Saul might be bitterly disappointed a little way down the line.
That makes perfect sense, but I think there are two factors that could change those calculations.Quote:
Originally Posted by VEE
First, there are tantalizing hints that all is not well in the Colony. Water is rationed and there is concern about the food supply, where previously supplies of both seemed good. The treatment of the locals appears to be brutal, including killing key people like the only doctor. Lizzy cannot want her son growing up in the Family to be Scratch's protege.
Second, Saul has Dunbar Apartments to offer as a refuge (we hope), which is safe, well supplied, and only lacks the Colony's medical facilities. And, unbeknownst to everyone, is the prospect of a trip to Boulder, with hospitals staffed by doctors.
would it be out of the realm of reason for saul to somehow incite a riot within the colony? i mean, the primary reason the colony fell to the mallers was lack of ammo correct? surely Cj is sitting on a pretty good stockpile. matching rounds to weapons from memory could be a bit tricky but what the hell.... its just that as i sit here thinking about it just now..could we feasibly see dunbar full again? and how would CJ feel about such a thing..not sure she has that many blindfolds.
jeez, think of the irony of that...a bunch of prisoners...cooling a riot. in a town/prison-like fortress. thats just too good not to happen