Chapter 29-2 Beyond Our Walls Part 2

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Originally Posted by Matt Gossett

Going off of charecter roles that people have mentioned in the past, Hope still hasn't fulfiled any purpose yet, besides being "hopeless". (sorry) I don't think this is the last we've heard of this group. My biggest question is, when is Michael going to tell the Col about Paul/Ink/Pimp-Ass Zombie, and the other types of zombies, and how is he going to react?

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I'm not sure that a character has to have a purpose. Hope could simply be just another survivor. Her purpose could be to see to it that Datu has some happiness seeing as how we might never know if he'll reach his family in the Philippines. Though the fact that she could regain her sight makes me think perhaps you are right. They made a very good point of not telling Hope about Kalani's role as a spy and who knows what evidence her sight might bring into light.

As for Michael telling them about Pinstripes, I'm very curious too. I'm actually hoping that Saul and Victor complete their mission of retrieving Lizzy (and hopefully Burt and Angel too) so they can get reunited with Michael and the Ft. Irwin group. This house divided shit is pissing me off. The Colony, Mallers, and all other survivors should quit feuding over an ant hill and reclaim the fucking world!

Hope's purpose is to save the world, mark my words!

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

I'm not sure that a character has to have a purpose. Hope could simply be just another survivor. Her purpose could be to see to it that Datu has some happiness seeing as how we might never know if he'll reach his family in the Philippines. Though the fact that she could regain her sight makes me think perhaps you are right. They made a very good point of not telling Hope about Kalani's role as a spy and who knows what evidence her sight might bring into light.

As for Michael telling them about Pinstripes, I'm very curious too. I'm actually hoping that Saul and Victor complete their mission of retrieving Lizzy (and hopefully Burt and Angel too) so they can get reunited with Michael and the Ft. Irwin group. This house divided shit is pissing me off. The Colony, Mallers, and all other survivors should quit feuding over an ant hill and reclaim the fucking world!

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no way man, the dynamic here is freaking brilliant. we just lost, what, 4-5 people? at least for a little bit. so now we have a giant gaping hole in our character types, those have to be filled somewhere and i think we will find new characters approaching the CVS team (Chinwe, Victor, Saul). i can't wait, kc is great at writing deep real characters, so it will be interesting.

Reaper could be right. When I think of the show now, I feel a hole in my chest with the potential departures.

If the Boulder people truly are heading to CO and aren't the ones we see in sillhouette in the chapter art, I'm looking forward to filling that void with new characters: Kimmet, Puck, Carl, CJ and delving further into Michael, Victor and Saul.

And if need be that Angel dude. But I've gotten over my momentary lapse of judgement from yesterday ;)

EDIT: By the way......how....how do they (Nurse Britt and other Irwin medical staff) go over 24 hours....giving her a physical and then finally notice the bite mark? I....I.....really??? It's not like the mark was hidden on her ass or something. It's on her forearm, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Reaper could be right. When I think of the show now, I feel a hole in my chest with the potential departures.

If the Boulder people truly are heading to CO and aren't the ones we see in sillhouette in the chapter art, I'm looking forward to filling that void with new characters: Kimmet, Puck, Carl, CJ and delving further into Michael, Victor and Saul.

And if need be that Angel dude. But I've gotten over my momentary lapse of judgement from yesterday ;)

EDIT: By the way......how....how do they (Nurse Britt and other Irwin medical staff) go over 24 hours....giving her a physical and then finally notice the bite mark? I....I.....really??? It's not like the mark was hidden on her ass or something. It's on her forearm, isn't it?

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maybe that was just an arm cut and the bite really was on her ass.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

EDIT: By the way......how....how do they (Nurse Britt and other Irwin medical staff) go over 24 hours....giving her a physical and then finally notice the bite mark? I....I.....really??? It's not like the mark was hidden on her ass or something. It's on her forearm, isn't it?

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THANK YOU!! I didn't get a chance to post it but seriously after the woman had a meltdown needed to be drugged and "You don't understand.....*THUD* You would think some warning bells would go off. Me thinks Nurse Britt was just to wrapped up in her own cameo :P

I'm starting to think that this Nurse Britt might not be a real nurse at all.

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Originally Posted by reaper239

maybe that was just an arm cut and the bite really was on her ass.

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If this be the case, I now question how exactly Tanya came to possess a zombie bite upon her backside.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

If this be the case, I now question how exactly Tanya came to possess a zombie bite upon her backside.

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Considering how quick she is with a quip? She probably invited the patient to do it ...and they did

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

I'm not sure that a character has to have a purpose. Hope could simply be just another survivor. Her purpose could be to see to it that Datu has some happiness seeing as how we might never know if he'll reach his family in the Philippines. Though the fact that she could regain her sight makes me think perhaps you are right. They made a very good point of not telling Hope about Kalani's role as a spy and who knows what evidence her sight might bring into light.

As for Michael telling them about Pinstripes, I'm very curious too. I'm actually hoping that Saul and Victor complete their mission of retrieving Lizzy (and hopefully Burt and Angel too) so they can get reunited with Michael and the Ft. Irwin group. This house divided shit is pissing me off. The Colony, Mallers, and all other survivors should quit feuding over an ant hill and reclaim the fucking world!

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I wouldn't count on that happening any time soon. People like Durai, Scratch, and Gatekeeper are in a position of power that they never would have achieved if not for the outbreak. They're not going to give that up easily.

I don't trust Kimmet. Something about him..his voice? Maybe it is just his acting (I doubt it tho...KC wouldnt let that fly)? He just seems really 'non' if you know what I mean, I really didnt like hearing him speak... Not sure what it is but I KNOW the shit is about to hit the proverbial fan. The women in CO...are going to be forced into re-populating the world or to 'serve the men' or something bad (Kelly will be happy...LAWL) but when he said Michael can spend his $ on whatever you like, I think it is going to be pretty bad and not all happy times...No dancing around with tomatoe plants and wrenches, singing lovely songs about fixing sinks and dirty knees (prolly be crying about the dirty knees!! hahah. Pegs was so ubber hateful that has GOT to come back and bite her in the ass (cant wait!). SOO messed up to leave Michael all by himself...and he would have been if not for Riley, mega points for Riley...she just went up 10x more in my book!!

That Jolly Green Giant in LAX was a semi-failed escape mission..betcha $5. There is an idea!! Lets all make bets on our predictions!! All the money could go to 'Were Alive'!!! Gambling fundraiser..lol.

I dont know about Hope...She is just so weak. They prolly said they could fix her eyes cause 'young girls' are good for their evil doings, that could be BS just to separate them from Michael and get them to WANT to go to CO. What kind of roll are you guys thinking? I cant even imagine what she could do to 'save the world', other than being able to see a little and seeing something they didnt think she could see. I think Tanya is going to save the world with her 'vaccine' or whatever concoction she has come up with...and I think she has given it to everybody she has ever treated medically (well..in this group). Michael being reinstated is going to be very bad news....cant wait!!!

How is it that no one else has seen or dealt with the other kinds of zombies?

Now that both towers are gone and the mailers blew up the arena, the horde may move towards Fort Irwin. Maybe C. Kimmet will send out a scavenger party close to L.A. and they will get tailed back by a smart one.

I know that base is well equipped, but I don't know if they could survive a wave. Especially with the fast, jumper, smart and mammoth zombie types. Same goes for the colony.

What does Tanya's zombie bite mean for everyone?

Well, I think Puck will be locked up for observation.
Pegs, Datu and Kelly will be kicked off the plane at gun point. This will happen somewhere in the beginning of 29-3. In the cover art, you can see the plane taking off and the three figures to the right.

Mike and his crew will be all reevaluated and will have extra tests performed. Michael will finally get his arm x-rayed.

With all this happening, I thinks we will hear from tower CVS or from the mallers. This will lead us into chapter 30, which will fill us in with everything else that is going on in L.A.. I hope so. I don't want to be stuck at the base this whole time.

p.s. I ran in the "Run for your Lives," race in MA over the weekend. It was a blast! Unfortunately, I didn't survive. :mad: I will try again next year and will need that shirt posted on the forum, "Better Start Running." The race is coming to California in October.

I think that Riley stayed because she is hoping that they might send her on a mission to L.A and she might come across Angel and Lizzy. I also think that if Saul and Tonya are immune to being turned or the haze from ground zero, it might not be because there is something special about their family but it might be because they are African-American.My reason for this is because in my listening of the podcast I don't think they have come any African-American zombies to my knowledge. If I am wrong please let me know.

I think I need to listen to it again I seem to have missed the whole Tanya being bitten being revealed. I was on public transportation whille listening to the last couple of episodes and there was a huge fight, I must have missed some explanation

I see some skirmishes with the Mallers. But eventually I think by end of this story They will be wiped out.
The Colony is no threat. They do not want to leave their walls.. I still think the Mallers will try and make problems for Fort Irwin once they figure out they went there.
But I seen a raid on the mallers and then they will recover Burt, Angel and Lizzy before they end up with Saul and Victor making their way to Fort Irwin. Still a big story to uncover with those too.

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Originally Posted by Miss

I think I need to listen to it again I seem to have missed the whole Tanya being bitten being revealed. I was on public transportation whille listening to the last couple of episodes and there was a huge fight, I must have missed some explanation

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It happens right at the end of the episode. There's no real explanation.

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Originally Posted by VEE

I think she is the cure, or at least what stops people turning. Perhaps Tanya discovered this.

She is, after all, called Hope.

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Tonya didnt name her tho. Her name was hope before any of this happened.

Hope is NOT the answer. Kc wouldn't possibly be that heavy-handed.

Besides, she filled her name-derived obligations already and saved Datu's life, giving him 'hope'.

Oh yeah..I guess that would be her reason for staying...but not sure that she even really had a motive other than stickin with Michael...The story hasnt really identified very many peoples race. The people in the story yes but as far as zombies I dont think they have described them in that much depth.

As far as CO...It is either 'serving the men' or 'meat' there is not any fresh meat other than what hunters can round up...I would LOVE for KC to tie in some cannibals!! He is so super good...I bet it would be the best cannibal situation I have ever encountered!! CANNIBALS...CANNIBALS...CANNIBALS!!! uhm yea I guess I am a little sicko..but did I mention how cool cannibals would be? And dont even get me started on cannibals

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Originally Posted by Pandora

Oh yeah..I guess that would be her reason for staying...but not sure that she even really had a motive other than stickin with Michael...The story hasnt really identified very many peoples race. The people in the story yes but as far as zombies I dont think they have described them in that much depth.

As far as CO...It is either 'serving the men' or 'meat' there is not any fresh meat other than what hunters can round up...I would LOVE for KC to tie in some cannibals!! He is so super good...I bet it would be the best cannibal situation I have ever encountered!! CANNIBALS...CANNIBALS...CANNIBALS!!! uhm yea I guess I am a little sicko..but did I mention how cool cannibals would be? And dont even get me started on cannibals

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Originally Posted by Pandora

Oh yeah..I guess that would be her reason for staying...but not sure that she even really had a motive other than stickin with Michael...The story hasnt really identified very many peoples race. The people in the story yes but as far as zombies I dont think they have described them in that much depth.

As far as CO...It is either 'serving the men' or 'meat' there is not any fresh meat other than what hunters can round up...I would LOVE for KC to tie in some cannibals!! He is so super good...I bet it would be the best cannibal situation I have ever encountered!! CANNIBALS...CANNIBALS...CANNIBALS!!! uhm yea I guess I am a little sicko..but did I mention how cool cannibals would be? And dont even get me started on cannibals

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isn't that what the survivors are running from?

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Originally Posted by reaper239

no way man, the dynamic here is freaking brilliant. we just lost, what, 4-5 people? at least for a little bit. so now we have a giant gaping hole in our character types, those have to be filled somewhere and i think we will find new characters approaching the CVS team (Chinwe, Victor, Saul). i can't wait, kc is great at writing deep real characters, so it will be interesting.

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True. It makes for good story, but I was more concerned with how shitty it is this situation occurred in the first place. You would think human-kind would band together to stomp out the greater evil, but greed takes hold and everyone just wants to protect theirs. Bastardos!

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

True. It makes for good story, but I was more concerned with how shitty it is this situation occurred in the first place. You would think human-kind would band together to stomp out the greater evil, but greed takes hold and everyone just wants to protect theirs. Bastardos!

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ah, well yes, i will say that the civillian outpost in boulder doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. i mean, do you really think that you would be safe there? hell no, i would want to be where the most guns and ammo were as well as the most experienced warriors.

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Originally Posted by reaper239

ah, well yes, i will say that the civillian outpost in boulder doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. i mean, do you really think that you would be safe there? hell no, i would want to be where the most guns and ammo were as well as the most experienced warriors.

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I don't know much about the city, but just for the fact that it has a ton of civilians, yes, I agree with you. 150,000 means nothing when all it takes is one to turn those numbers against you. That's potentially 150,000 new zombies.

I don't think they should put all their eggs in one basket, but rather have large groups here and there. They need multiple colonies, eliminating the threat where ever they encounter it. Instead of rescue missions, they should be on search and destroy mode. But the damned disputes between different human factions make me almost want the zombies to take over.

Come on now.. you guys really don't think that Boulder isn't fortified? It'll be a f'n impossible place to invade by now.
I like how KC totally dicked over the Air Force this episode. LOL.. all the branches got some action but us, then he shows a C-130 transport plane. hahahahah. That tickled me

Love how Mike got wrangled back into service. WTF did he think was gonna happen? You're in the reserves, you get called in via recall. You have a CAC and on active duty base... guess what? Sorry, i'm losing focus here. Back to "reality".

Some people have asked about Navy ships and what would happen to them? Well, they'd stay at sea. You have entire battle groups out to sea at one time. That's thousands and thousands of people out there from the middle east, the Pacific, the Atlantic and the Med. That's OUR Navy alone. Enough ordinace on one battleship is enough to level a midwestern town quicker than an F4.
Cruise ships will be safe as long as they were out during the start.

Missle crews (fire team of 8 Security Force members, 4 cooks, and 4 officers in the actual missle launch facility) at all the Northern Tier bases. Montana, Wyoming, N/S Dakota. Malstom, F.E Warren, and Minot all still have over 500 ICBMs. That's a ton of troops supporting those launch facilities that will be alive and with limited comm. You may ask "how would they be alive?"
simply due to the remote locations. Some of which you can only reach via helo. They're self sustaining units. The only thing is you only have the ammo you have on you...180 rounds. One heavy gunner and one grenadier.

Back to the Navy.. I forgot about the Subs.

A great episode. I feel that we will not see the Boulder crew until mid to late season 4. Maybe Pegs studies to be a doctor and comes back to Irwin. I was really hoping Michael would yell "I Love You!" to Pegs before the plane took off. This is the first episode in a while that I was about to shed some tears. I was choked up. I think the last time was Season 2 finale, but correct if I am wrong about something in this Season. I am beginning to wonder if the Michael crew will ever meet up with Saul, Victor, Burt and Angel again. Seems like it will be hard, unless the LA crew goes to Irwin.

no, i think one big colony is the best way to set up the defense, my point was, one big colony, that way all your forces are in one place. yes boulder would be fortified at this point would be extra fortified at this point, but it sound like they have barely enough troops to man the wall there. idk, maybe i'm missing something, but 150k, in my mind, they should be trained and then defend themselves so the soldiers can focus on retaking the continental US.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

If this be the case, I now question how exactly Tanya came to possess a zombie bite upon her backside.

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Originally Posted by Raven

Considering how quick she is with a quip? She probably invited the patient to do it ...and they did

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Tanya "did it".... with a zombie ?!?? (SSHHHHUDDER...)


Oh, God, I think..... I think we're delving into (QUEASE!)... into and area where... where we dont' want to go and..

(RRRRRETCH!!)

(HEEAVE!) Oh God, I think I'm gonna...

BRAAAAAAAWWLPH!!!

RAAAAAAAALPH!!!!

BLEEEEEEEEAAAAWW!!!


*gasp*, uh, I just had a visual of Tanya, just--

BRAAAAAAAWLCHHHH!

REEEEETCH!

Oh, the horror!

The Horror!!!

I understand everyone's concerns about taking all the survivors to Bolder. But if they had multiple colonies, wouldn't they still be facing the same problems? If you have more colonies to protect, then you need to use more soldiers to protect civilians. After all, no area is completely safe from zombies. And if you have so many soldiers protecting the colonies, how many would be left to gather information, rescue survivors, or destroy zombies. Plus, you'd have multiple planes flying to different locations, which means more fuel will be wasted. So to me, it makes sense for them to stay in one place until the zombie threat is dealt with.

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Originally Posted by Nitara

I understand everyone's concerns about taking all the survivors to Bolder. But if they had multiple colonies, wouldn't they still be facing the same problems? If you have more colonies to protect, then you need to use more soldiers to protect civilians. After all, no area is completely safe from zombies. And if you have so many soldiers protecting the colonies, how many would be left to gather information, rescue survivors, or destroy zombies. Plus, you'd have multiple planes flying to different locations, which means more fuel will be wasted. So to me, it makes sense for them to stay in one place until the zombie threat is dealt with.

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Dealth with by whom? They are the ones who are going to have to deal with it. I do believe it's good to have a fall back zone or but I worry that a place as big as Boulder could be dangerous. Like Reaper said, it doesn't sound like they have a lot of troops protecting the place. With that many heads, it seems as though an outbreak within the community at Boulder could be devastating.

Though there could be quite a few places safe from zombies in the world, like Antarctica, The Himalayas, etc. Remote places where travel on foot is damn near impossible, even if you are a tough as nails zombie.

I think multiple colonies in L.A. could have worked, if they just WORKED TOGETHER. If the Mallers and the Colony and Michael's Tower and CJ's tower all focused their efforts on killing zombies and helping keep each other alive, it doesn't seem like it would have been that tough to clean out L.A. Hell, the Mallers were doing a pretty damn good job on their own.

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Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel

Missle crews (fire team of 8 Security Force members, 4 cooks, and 4 officers in the actual missle launch facility) at all the Northern Tier bases. Montana, Wyoming, N/S Dakota. Malstom, F.E Warren, and Minot all still have over 500 ICBMs. That's a ton of troops supporting those launch facilities that will be alive and with limited comm. You may ask "how would they be alive?"
simply due to the remote locations. Some of which you can only reach via helo. They're self sustaining units. The only thing is you only have the ammo you have on you...180 rounds. One heavy gunner and one grenadier.

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That's a ton of troops, but the sites themselves are not built for defense, they are built to respond to remote security threats to silos. The only thing they have for defense is a chain link fence and a bunch of farmer's fields all around. I used to work in the missile field at Grand Forks AFB before they shut down their silos, so I've been out on those sites on duty. The only 'safe' guys would be the two officers on duty down in the capsule, and they would surely starve to death before too long.

Poor Michael. Even though he can be quite annoying, I really feel for him. His method of coping with loss is to distance himself. He doesn't deal with emotions, he doesn't allow himself to get close to people. Finally, he says to himself -- For God's sake, it's the end of the world. I might as well get close to another human. BAM. Sorry, guy.

Pegs, I've always disliked you.

I am totally on the Tanya vaccine/antivenom bandwagon, and I believe she started experimenting back in the Colony.

Riley, rock on.

Kelly, from such meager beginnings. I will miss you, hope you won't be gone forever.

Catch you later Datu, Hope.

And I agree with those who think there's something really off about Kimmet. Bad news, that guy.

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Originally Posted by Litmaster

That's a ton of troops, but the sites themselves are not built for defense, they are built to respond to remote security threats to silos. The only thing they have for defense is a chain link fence and a bunch of farmer's fields all around. I used to work in the missile field at Grand Forks AFB before they shut down their silos, so I've been out on those sites on duty. The only 'safe' guys would be the two officers on duty down in the capsule, and they would surely starve to death before too long.

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What type of comms do the personnel at these remote sites have? Is there any way they could make their presence known to a base like Fort Irwin? In my mind I'm picturing a survivor sitting at an Autovon phone, dialing number after number from a government phone directory hoping someone will pick up.

*for Non-Vets, "Autovon phone" refers to the government's secure telephone network, which was designed to survive a nuclear exchange. The official name changed to something else in the 80s, but we kept on calling them Autovon where I was stationed. The phones can be used to call any other phone on the network, worldwide, but only have a limited ability to connect to the civilian phone system.

After quickly skim reading it seems I'm the only one who thinks what I think.

Boulder doesn't exist.

It was something Puck said last episode. (think it was Puck anyways) he said if the outbreak happened a week later there would have been a battalion of infantry on the base. But he then muttered 'more mouths to feed' if you had a secure population centre of 150k that from what Carl was saying to the guys seems to be secure and pumping out food surely the extra trained soldiers would have been more than welcome?

Therefore, I think, probably incorrectly, that boulder doesn't exist, all survivors are given a choice, join up and fight, or go to boulder that doesn't exist and they are probably just left in a field to be eaten. After all if all your population are soldiers you stand a much better chance of defeating the outbreak than having most of your forces defending civilians.

I never used to be so cynical, must be Kc's doing!

As a Pegs fan I just want to address some of the Pegs hating that has been going on in this thread. :)
Whether or not you agree with her decision, I am sure a lot of you would be able to think of someone who might not be able to pick up a gun in a similar situation. In fact, you might be able to think of people who would have fallen to pieces completely and provided no help at all.
She has stuck to her ideals throughout the course of the show, and as a character grew a lot from where she was when she first appeared. She has become a really confident character, and contributed in many ways to the group. I love Pegs because she is positive and helped Michael to see (even for a little while) what he is really fighting for; friendship, love and humanity.
Also, her saying that she isn't suited to staying in the army, is better then just staying to be near to Michael and not being able to do everything that would be expected of her in a dire situation. Her leaving Michael, whom she really does have deep feelings for, took a lot of courage in the face of the pressure that he was putting on her. For me her coldness was not her suddenly hating Michael but her showing the strength of her convictions and is something to be admired. If someone that you loved asked you to do something that goes against what you believe or are capable of, what would you do. Her not crying and running away reflects how much she has grown.
Rant over.
cupcake out <3

Doesn't matter, still hate Pegs.

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Doesn't matter, still hate Pegs.

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That is ok, don't think I will change anyone's thoughts on her, but wanted to show that she is not as shallow as everyone seems to think she is. A lot of people (not you because you did show her support earlier in the thread even though you don't like her :) ) seem to be throwing all the flak her way, for Michael and her breaking-up, because people don't like her, but it is not all her fault.
Not everyone has to like her, just maybe a little respect for dealing as well as she can in the new world. :)

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Originally Posted by cupcakezombie

That is ok, don't think I will change anyone's thoughts on her, but wanted to show that she is not as shallow as everyone seems to think she is. A lot of people (not you because you did show her support earlier in the thread even though you don't like her :) ) seem to be throwing all the flak her way, for Michael and her breaking-up, because people don't like her, but it is not all her fault.
Not everyone has to like her, just maybe a little respect for dealing as well as she can in the new world. :)

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Don't get me wrong. I've hated her since the beginning. She's just annoyed me at every utterance, that and she brought the full wrath of Scratch down upon the heads of the Residents. Not to mention, the whole flower pot fiasco. For me, she's always been a voice I could do without. The whole 'woe is me' thing grates on my nerves. Her standing up in the end and telling Mikey "No" was probably the best choice she could have made. It at least proved she had some semblance of a spine. I applaud that act, with total and complete sincerity.

In the end, it matters little. Let's hug it out.

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Originally Posted by cupcakezombie

That is ok, don't think I will change anyone's thoughts on her, but wanted to show that she is not as shallow as everyone seems to think she is. A lot of people (not you because you did show her support earlier in the thread even though you don't like her :) ) seem to be throwing all the flak her way, for Michael and her breaking-up, because people don't like her, but it is not all her fault.
Not everyone has to like her, just maybe a little respect for dealing as well as she can in the new world. :)

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Pegs deserves full credit for everything she's done in the story. She's a survivor, which is more than you can say for 99.9995% of pre-outbreak America. She pulled her weight at the Tower and stepped up magnificently at the end, learning to fly the helicopter and safely extracting the survivors from a battlefield to safety at Fort Irwin. I would have liked to see her stay at Fort Irwin, particularly if she would have out-ranked Michael, but it's hard to fault her for seeking something closer to normality. I have a feeling we'll be hearing from her again.

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Hope is NOT the answer. Kc wouldn't possibly be that heavy-handed.

Besides, she filled her name-derived obligations already and saved Datu's life, giving him 'hope'.

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