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angel - just before the collapse, michael (in the helicopter) noted that there was no sign on angel on the flat roof
therefore my thoughts were that he managed to slide down the remaining rope part way down the building before the collapse, so the fall was much smaller than being on the top of a collapsing 14 storey building
ah, i just had the same thought as you blood and ice cream!
Burt falls. Michael says he pulls back up about 10' until he finds the charred end of the line.
Angel, awaiting Burt to finish zip-lining across sees the line in front of him go limp, he could possibly already have a harness on, clips into the line, sees the heli pull away from the RPG blast, and starts descending the side of the building.
But, the line breaking could also be used for Burt, since he was on it, but a bit more improbable since he should technically be past the point that breaks with his inertia. And Breaking through a window? the thought crossed my mind until thinking about the windows having to have to stand up to winds and such
Another guess is Scratch has found Saul, who is still around the building trying to help Lizzie escape. Saul is hit from debris from the falling tower and immobilized. And this could mean she found Victor as well, but they have no idea who he is so he just gets tossed into the "slave" catagory.
Saul also has his IV catheter in his arm, so the medication he has is going to be depleted at some point while out trying to find Lizzie.
so far your the only person ive seen mention Steven, is it possible he is the rat? remember when he freaked out saying he was not comfterble watching the new prisoner on guard duty. he made quite the scene and for no apparent reason. as far as i remember he was not seen by Pippin either. he also got Lizzy kicked out of the tower too which is kind of a dick move on his part.
He fits the profile for a rat if u ask me but there isnt much more info about him. it just came to me when u mentioned him.
For the record, I totally called this (so far, at least...still no word on burt and angel.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mora
I recently caught up on the recent episodes and I am back in love with this podcast. I started watching for the zombies and I kept watching for the character development. However, I have some issues with the 1-hour special of season 2. Well, just one issue actually, and that's the characters supposedly died at the end: Kalani, Burt, and Angel.
First, I want to say that I like how the group is now split into groups: one with the helicopter who made it out of LA and the other scattered around LA. I thought, for sure, that Kalani was dead when he rammed his chopper in to the oil tanker headed for the Tower, but now I'm thinking he may have survived since Scratch would have recognized him a little more than Angel in the rubble of the Tower. However, if you recall Scratch's first meeting with Angel, she says that he ''looks pretty damn familiar'' and that she ''never forgets a face''. So, I think it's quite possible that she and Angel have a slight history together, perhaps indirectly. Also, Micheal didn't see Angel on the roof just before it collapsed, so he have survived the Tower's fall. Plus, I doubt Kalani's fat ass could pull off any fancy maneuvers to avoid the inferno of the exploding tanker and being incinerated. I think Angel is still alive and his whereabouts could go one of two ways. 1; he is evaded the Mallers and his currently surviving on his own, possibly trailing Saul and Victor. 2; (which I think is a little more likely) he is currently in the custody of the Mallers along with Lizzie.
I think the character of Burt is little more complex. Since Lizzie got kicked out of the Tower because of that whole fiasco with Steven, I somewhat expected to be the next character to die. However, I also expected his death to be a little more climactic than simply falling off the chopper. I also think that the little snippet of audio at the end of the 1-hour episode, where Scratch says, ''Put him with the old man.'', is good evidence telling us that Burt still alive. I think he is also now in the custody of the Mallers and him, Angel, and Lizzie are going to meet up and formulate a plan to escape their captors but not after they learn a little more about the Mallers and what makes them tick. Maybe they'll learn about this 'Hannah' character as well.
As for this 'CJ' character, she seems like a selfish bitch to me. Honestly, I hope she dies soon. Saul and Victor could use her safe house. But, who knows, she's was helpful recently with the back story of Kalani.
Kalani is dead. His story was finished. We'll probably hear more about him though, especially when Hannah is introduced as a main character.
Burt is alive. Unless he whipped out his journal and wrote while he was ziplining to his death.
I don't THINK Angel is dead, but there's no evidence to suggest that he survived. My guess is that he sealed himself in the elevator or was in a stairwell during the collapse?
Don't get me wrong, both could be dead, but KC screwed up with Burt's voice-over journal entry, if this is the case. And he's screwed over a fan favorite character in Angel without giving him a proper send-off ... like Kalani got.
Just my opinions.
Here is what I think happened for each one....
Angel - The last we know of Angel was that he was trapped on the tower as it fell (As far as we know) I believe that in the near future we will have a flashback to Angels view point. It will start with the rope snapping and Burt fallings then Angel will panic and start his journey to get off the tower, I believe that he will get a way down the tower but not all the way and will fall with it but only enough to hurt him. When the dust settles he will be captured by the maulers and taken to wherever they are. And the story will continue from there...
Burt - In a near episode, there will be a Burt flashback to where Burt falls down from the rope and is extremely hurt but is alive and then needs to hurry to cover before the tower collapses on top of him. He does but it trapped by the rubble. When it all settles, he is captured by the maulers’ as-well.
Once these two are captured by the maulers, their stories will join and we will learn about what is happening to them and Lizzy. The story will be told from their point of view and how they are doing in the maulers’ captivity and also what the maulers have planned.
I'm going to merge this with another thread that covers pretty much the exact same topic.
Good call, didn't see this one
It was in episode discussions. Suppose it's more of a theory thread anyway. Probably should have been here from the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClearSights
BRB, starting Where's Burt thread.
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Originally Posted by ClearSights
Thank you that has been on my mind forever
i am keeping my fingers crossed that angel survived, he is my favorite ^.^
Tell me to shut up if someone has already answered this, but if we hear narration then can we presume that person is still alive?
Obviously Kalani is dead and his voice comes from the diary being read by someone else, but others (Burt for example) were still giving their accounts of what happened in the tower as the tower was collapsing.
Does this then mean that at some point after the tower collapses, Burt wrote those accounts into his journal and they somehow get collected to piece together the whole story? If this is so, then Burt is not only still alive, but destiny will see him alive long enough to write his accounts of what happened at the tower and that journal find its way back to Saul and Michael (Saul and Michael too must therefore survive long enough for their journals to be re-united).
If this is true, then it kind of gives them an immunity to what's happening around them as you know they will survive regardless (a little bit like when you see the closing scene of a film at the beginning and then it says "Six weeks earlier" and you watch the events leading up to that scene unfold.)
....or am I looking to deep into the narration, and it is purely supposed to move the story along?
angel is also dead, but narrated certain sections in the past. the narration (as i understand it) comes from the journals michael had everyone start writing in the begining. narration doesn't mean a character's alive, it simply means that that was recorded before they alledgedly died and was recovered at a later date.
The other point to keep in mind: Tanya scanned all the journals. So we have accounts all the way up to the end of Season 2. That's most likely how we were able to hear about the Reserve Base, Behemoths and Skittles was from Angel's journal (as Kalani was supposedly not keeping one but did write his confession into one).
There is also the concept of Found Footage (you know...that thing that was the basis of Blair Witch and all the Paranormal Activity movies). For all we know everyone is dead and Ink is reading their journals. If he's smart enough to be doing what he's doing, he could very well be literate.
....I just slightly blew my own mind....I'mma go pick up my gray matter off the floor and be back with you shortly.
Dude..Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
That's effin crazy talk.....I'm so proud of you right now!!
well, it is plausibleQuote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Which part?...the ink bit....or being proud of nik?Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
I'm glad I can make you proud :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
I do kinda feel like that shoulda been in the crackpot thread.
both, i never thought he'd say something that sound so out there, yet so down to earth. so proud.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Dude...stop...this is making my day...I cant have all this happiness in my life:D
Derail/over...
Back to this point again, i had a thought.. i wonder who's journal the "killing Angel" meeting was read from...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gadge80
The scene was far to detailed for Burt to have heard from a nearby locked room. Also to much for such details to be brought up in conversation.... so... it's gotta be Scratch right, but why would she write a journal?
And even if she did, why so much detail about how she killed him, who would put that stuff in a journal.
Any thoughts?
The "journal entry" is the video recording Tardust made. Tar turned the camera on, and the recording covered the interrogation.
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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Fecksake... how did I miss that!
I really need to re-listen to the whole freakin show again... there's so much I haven't picked up on!