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Yeah, I listened to it a couple of times and I just think Riley might have stuttered or stumble with her lines, whether it was for effect or unintentional. Listen to it again Zombiehead, I think it was just a stutter or unintentional blooper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
Good point! I totally forgot that the arena blew up, crazy, I know. Yeah, they were probably burned from the arena and were fleeing the area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Daddy
Why are the zombies at the hospital? are they using it as a base? Are these stragglers from the maller attack on the arena? are they being lead by someone? Can a smart one lead? Why are the big ones working with the regulars now?
Just curious... what was the discrepancy mentioned?Quote:
Originally Posted by GD_Elite
Someone's story doesn't match...that's what I'm guessing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
I think the mob of zombies that showed up at the hospital are the one's fleeing the arena. A lot of them were carrying bodies of the dead and the living. I do believe that the behemoths are working with the other ones because there might be one that has the ability to control the horde. I do believe there is a leader of the group. This zombie roar we heard in the episode sounds very similar to the one you hear at the end of the war. I actually think it is the one with markings from the arena (not Ink). Chapter 21-2 is a good example of the two roars; when they are getting the trucks in place you hear the distress call of a regular zombie, tardust begins to panick and his dialogue is cut short by the ordering call of the leader zombie. It's pretty awesome!
From Chapter 23 predictions from Mr. NikVoodoo
Tanya Discovers A Discrepancy in the Journals
This is a prediction from 7oddisdead.
And it is an interesting one, 7odd. Though it hasn't been explicitly stated, I've been under the impression that the journals were submitted frequently so information could be culled and compared. And if that's the case, whomever the rat is (since that's the implication of this prediction) would have probably played along in their journal. After all, the very first entry Michael, Angel and Saul took every journal to read through it. That should be a good indicator that their thoughts aren't private.
We know Pippin's murder wouldn't have been written about because Tanya was working on scanning the journals before he was shot. So the only two activities the rat would have to write about and cover would be the theft (maybe. Bill could still be the thief, I just don't think so), and their activities at the party. Of course, two major things happened around both of those events that would make it justifiable to not write about their whereabouts: "It's Paul's" assault on the Tower, and the party/The War. We are getting so close to the end of the season and so many things are possible. I really do like this idea, but I don't know that it will come to pass......man I really like this idea......But I will say it doesn't happen by a narrow margin of 47%.
Noo!! Why did the episode have to end?? I'd forgotten all about Randy until now and now I really want to know who he is. The burned zombies had to have come from the arena. And is it possible that Lizzie might be one of the people being brought to the hospital? (alive of course) because if she survived the explosion there is no way she would have been able to get away from the zombies coming out of the arena in time. I hope she is...she's been out of the story for too long.
Riley isn't an Alcoholic, she's a Drunk. Alcoholics go to meetings. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
So these are my....Sights.
Angel is the traitor. i see it now and im sorry ra1th but...he had the silenced pistol. that did it for me.
burt is getting old. his memory is extremly F!@Ked up.
Randy is someone michael knew from before. or from the pumping station.
i think the hospital is the place these "experiments" may be happening and its the new house for the biters.
im REALLY starting to like steven. he shows he supports the tower and sorta represents the nameless survivors, hes the voice of them.
As much as I enjoy jumping on Angel, I gotta disagree with ya. He had the silenced mp5 from the Colony, not the silenced pistol. Now there has been some speculation that the mp5 could have been used to kill Pippin, but the pistol is still missing. Also we heard the reaction to Pippin's death from Angel and Michael's perspective. This also isn't a clincher for Angel's innocence since the story is being told from the journals and there could be discrepancies in the journals. We saw that with Burt's difficulties in remembering details in this episode. But both these facts seem to be enough to clear Angel from suspicion of being the rat. Plus Michael was with him to collaborate his story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeyd2tall
As for Steven, yeah I'm starting to see him in a better light myself. When he got Lizzie kicked out he may have just been worried about a clique forming and being on the outside. If the members of the "special group" get special treatment and can get away with breaking the rules I'm starting to see how that might freak out some of the nameless/voiceless Tower residents like Steven. He was still acting like a dick, but I think I'm starting to understand why.
i have to admit, i was wrong about the pistol. its not a pistol. BUT it could still be him, im sure pippin would have been PLENTY suprised to see him come back AND he hates pippinQuote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
I'm not saying he can't die, I'm just saying if you think about it objectively, why would you start writing while you were trapped in a room waiting for Zombies to eat you. If it were me, and I think Burt would be more like this, I'd be trying to find every possible exit from the room. I definitely wouldn't take time to write down what happened until I was in a secure place not somewhere with zombies trying to break down my door.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
Doesn't have to be a journal, could just be him recapping events for the hell of itQuote:
Originally Posted by beesting
Plus Burt doesn't exactly seem like he's very diligent with his journal upkeep. He keeps talking about how pointless they are. I doubt he's going to take time in a life and death situation to update his "pointless" journal.Quote:
Originally Posted by beesting
A while ago, I wrote that there may be multiple groups of zombies led by a smart one. We have a group of zombies at the tower. Tanya and some KIA zombies were being taken away and some of them burned. Almost certainly from the arena. An obvious route from the Arena to Ground Zero is the 110 and that runs pretty close to the Tower.
The zombies around the hospital is another group. We do not have hard time stamps, but I do not think they can pow wow around the tower assault it and then get to he hospital bringing dead and captives with them. I am not the only one who thinks some speaking-part characters are in that population.
The interesting twist this time is that they are at worse setting siege to the two positions, or holding back to form a better assault composition.
My bad, I really thought it was Kalani who had the gun, I sometimes find it hard to tell the voices apart. Also not great on gun types, so I hadn't clicked that it wasn't the same as the missing gun.
I reckon Randy was a guy who was working in the water works and helped Micheal escape and died in the process and Micheal tried to save him and broke his arm
like the whole Samantha story? Micheal will get a flash back about how he got saved and how he got close with a new friend but in the end couldn't save him?! Well that's my guess too.
I really enjoyed Burt's narration at the beginning of this one, very humorous at points yet we got all the information we need. If Victor is the shooter (I doubt it), it seems sketchy that he is left alone with Pegs and Datu. If he is up to no good, then bad things are going to happen there...but I trust him. I also like how the beginning was different, having the four in the hospital fighting and for a moment I thought I had skipped an episode before Burt started back tracking. "We picked up Angel and Riley" "hello" and moving on...hahahaha :) I liked it
We finally encounter Randy and I was not expecting him to be a zombie. I think maybe Randy was some friend of Micheal's before the outbreak, maybe one of the few he had (Micheal seems very much a loner to me), a civilian not an army buddy is what my gut is telling me. My other theory is that Micheal and Randy met up at the water treatment plant, where either Micheal saw him get turned, left him to that fate or Randy was already turned. Clearly we have not seen the last of Randy, Micheal will keep his eyes peeled. I'm guessing Randy is a smart one, seems logical as he was the one dragging Tanya. Also I don't believe Tanya is infected, but I do think the precautions the Tower took are necessary. As a little joke I like to imagine a zombie jump kicking her in the face to knock her out or at least a good roundhouse.
Once I caught on that there haven't been many zombies active in a while, I knew they were organizing into an army. Now it's an army without a home and pissed. Steven even noticed that several of them had burns. I don't think godkingzombie pimp led his forces to the hospital because he knew about the LAX team there, but it just looked like a sweet new home. Maybe he wants to get high off of some morphine. Now we got Burt, Riley, Angel and Kalani under siege, and from the beginning of the episode, it won't remain a siege for long. They will at least have to try to take the helicopter to safety.
The reason I believe we haven't heard from Lizzie and the Mallers for the past five episodes is that the next time we see them will be from Saul's perspective. Other than that Saul is headed to the arena, I can't make a guess about what will happen to him and his girl. Other than a Maller distraction or using the helicopter, I don't know how Burt and co will escape the hospital, but KC has pulled the unexpected on us many times
after your long story i caught 2 very good point!!
1.the zombies are looking for a new home and might settle at the hospital with Burt and group still there trapped.
2.if the zombie army is looking for a new home that means the Mallers plan didn't go as planed.
Sorry, if anyone has posted this already. I will read the rest of the thread later tonight. :)
Great episode!
One thing that I thought of listening is that we might see Pegs first flight without Kalani around. It seems as if the Tower is being watched, they might have been followed to the Hospital (either the group from LAX or the scouts), so it seems likely that some zombies may also turn up at LAX. If that is the case and Datu has got the hydrolics fixed, we might see Pegs have to fly the helicopter to save Victor, Datu and herself.
I will post other thoughts later.
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww fuck. Come on! What the hell was that shit KC?! fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Hey diddle diddle straight up the middle?Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Logical thought process time! The zombie/them attack on tanya and the hospital happened in relatively close time period. The Army of zombies was to capture the hospital AND to kill off four of the baddest zombie-killers around. The attack on the tower/tanya is ONLY to stop anybody from the tower going to save the team at the hospital. Saul and Lizzy are irrelevant right now.
Here is why I think this is happening, Tanya said that the colony was attacked last week, we know that the zombies go against nature and attack the threats, they are working together now, finally Kalani and Angel killed THREE behemoths Burt is the best shot around and Riley knows how to use completely silenced weapons.
I still don't like Steven though. If the Rat isn't Kalani I want it to be Steven. And to anybody who is skeptical about Kelly having a gun, remember she is outside the tower in an unsafe area, I wouldn't want anybody there NOT to have a gun.
Angel and Kalani only killed TWO Behemoths, they just blew past the third one in their truck. Kalani mentions that they will, "drop a house on him some other time". Bullets through the soft pallet are the mouth are the only thing that kill Behemoths. If one can survive a fast food joint dropped on its head, then another one can survive being hit by a truck or run over.Quote:
Originally Posted by NJHellfire
So...first I'll say this was an amazing episode! And a few thoughts
it really does look as if pegs is going to get her first solo flight of the pelican...and a rescue mission at that
Burt seems to be a bit non shilant(sp?) about his narration..i could see people thinking its post-mortem..but I highly doubt it..that would not be keeping with what we know so far...how the stories been told
Randy sounds like a real "macho man" ..with his long brown hair and beard...
Any thoughts I have from here on will be in the "crackpot theories" thread...cause shits getting deep..
And lastly...... Tanya at least mentioned something about the journals its to early to say its a discrepancy...but its something, and something big. Why else would she comment that not everybody is going with them?...im considering this a win (at least in my head)again...great chapter!...cant wait for more....
So I have not read... 11 pages of comments here. FORGIVE ME as I may retread some thoughts and arguments.
1 - Where are these new terms coming from? Biters? Took me a few seconds to get that, guess we are moving from ZOMBIES.
2 - Why are people moving so freely when outside the Tower and without a guard or anything??? Tanya going for a simple "Sunday Stroll"?
3 - Riley, I mean really she is now hooked on the "sauce"? Leads to impaired judgment and faculties. Trust will be issue as will her aim... not happy about where i think this is going.
4 - Angel, wah wah I WANT TO LEAD! We are going there now?
5 - Kalani, obnoxious again and seems to have it oozing... I FOUGHT THEM BEFORE AND PLANNED SOMETHING or ruther! Planned failed, moving on...
6 - Artwork... Ink holding an arrow. Riley is either up Sh#! Creek or else she finds Lizzie in their clutches and cannot shoot Lizzie who has since been changed!!!
really, kids? Really? 11 pages and not one person has brought up the bodies being dragged around near the hospital? Tsk tsk tsk. For shame. How many warm bodies (ignore the zombie heat status argument) do we know roaming around the L.A. area right now? Well...I know of a whole group of people who just attacked the zombie home base....and we haven't heard from them in 4 or 5 chapter parts....hmm....
In regards to my prediction Re: Tanya and discrepancies in the journals: That still isn't confirmed. To me, she seemed to imply there is some connection Michael the Mighty (I'm just calling it like she would see it) didn't make. I don't think it was a discrepancy, I think she just pieced something together everyone else seemed to miss. She's a smart cookie. And 7odd, you can take a moral victory right now, but not an actual one in my opinion.
Steven says the zombies are extra security, I say the zombies outside the Tower are there to keep the Tower in check and make it harder for them to go anywhere. They aren't really attacking the two smaller depleted groups...why not???!!! Weak opponent! DO IT! Oh but no...they hang around outside.
Per the question where did the term biter come from: Thats been around for a while. They just don't use the phrase that often.
So this is now the second time we've seen Skittles get his facts wrong. Behemoths were seen in the arena with normal zombies, and now outside with the Army. What else does Skittles think he knows but isn't true?
I would be very very very concerned with the line that said the zombies were coming out of the surrounding buildings....I'd be very concerned with, and I feel like it's time to resurrect my thread about the "Alarming Level of Intelligence" the zombies seem to display.
Oh, sudden thought: There was also a truckload of Maller slaves left for dead. Methinks some of them might be among those being dragged to the hospital.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Ah....so glad someone is pickin' up what I'm puttin' down.Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
I wouldn't be surprised if Saul is among that group being dragged around. Good job running off, dude! :p
All good points. The other question we could ask is how far out is this zombie army coming from? Yes maller slaves could be good option,but how many could be from areas farther away?....if you had to separate colonies you needed to attack. Would you not call in reinforcements?
And Nik....soon as I heard the word "journals"....it was a moral victory :) but I agree...we will wait and see what comes of it
He's been gone long enough (at least 6 hours). Burt said he was gone for 4 hours I believe, and it takes 1 hour to travel from LAX to the Tower, plus whatever amount of time to get to the hospital and have the happenings of the episode take place. Sounds like a long enough time to get snatched up to me. Still doesn't mean he's in the group....I'm just saying he could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
right, I'm just building a scenario in my head where Saul gets to the arena...and theirs nobody there...wild goose chase...just a thiughtQuote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
Perhaps you should take a closer look at page 9...Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
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Originally Posted by GD_Elite
You'll excuse me for missing that in a wall of text at 2am :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Kn1ckerb0cker33
So now I change my statement: For shame on no one but GD_elite for bringing up the bodies around the hospital and for shame no one else picked it up and commented on it
What else was there to say aside from acknowledging the possibility of the arena crew being amongst the live bodies? Doesn't seem like you put any new theories about them plus someone has mentioned that the hospital could act like the arena and be the homebase for turning survivors into "monsters/abominations".Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Also 2 AM isn't an excuse on these forums. You make a mistake and people (like myself who resent your high and mightyness...pssh kids) will jump on you.
Besides since GD_elite mentioned it, why would we make redundant posts on repeating the same information without new theories or ideas?
I'm not even going to bother starting an argument about this so I'm going to leave it at this: Apologies for insulting you with my tongue in cheek phrase and referring to the forum as "kids."