Chapter 22- "Our Doubts Are Traitors" part 3

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Originally Posted by Leedo2502

I'll give you that it was a stupid play... that being said I've been in love. Love will make you do stupid things. Saul is a determined armed Soldier (and fellow Infantryman) that will stop at nothing to get the love of his life back and woe to he who stands in his way.

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:) Saul has the luck of the gods. If anyone can pull it off he can.

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Originally Posted by Leedo2502

I'll give you that it was a stupid play... that being said I've been in love. Love will make you do stupid things. Saul is a determined armed Soldier (and fellow Infantryman) that will stop at nothing to get the love of his life back and woe to he who stands in his way.

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Hahah. I didn't even think about all the hormones! Good catch. Love will make you do some seriously stupid ish. Leedo, remember the saying "Young, Dumb and full of...?"

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Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel

Hahah. I didn't even think about all the hormones! Good catch. Love will make you do some seriously stupid ish. Leedo, remember the saying "Young, Dumb and full of...?"

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"Young Dumb and full of Love" right?? LOL

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Originally Posted by Leedo2502

"Young Dumb and full of Love" right?? LOL

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Lots and lots of Love?

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Originally Posted by Rock Daddy

Well, what can we say? Everyone loves Saul! (Some more than others ) ;) I am amazed at how, because he is such a lovable character, he gets credit even when he makes bad decisions. It's like, "Hey, Saul's solid, so it's ok - Not like that Angel douche" Don't forget, Saul left the scooter outside the tower that led the Mallers straight to them originally. Sometimes, I want Saul to be the rat so bad because nobody would expect it, and it would be so crushing to so many! Mwah ha haaa!

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I have to agree with this. Saul has become really annoying and he used to be my second favorite. It makes no sense at all to leave the group and go on a needle in a haystack search for Lizzy. Yeah it really sucks that she is gone, but there is no way in hell he is going to be able to find her on his own with no clues.

I like the idea that Arthur tossed out... If we are going with the idea that the Zombie outbreak is man made then Ground Zero would naturally be the site of the lab or instalation that was doing the Z research. They'd know about how the zombies work and any weaknesses and the ability to create countermeasures to exploit those weaknesses.

That being said maybe the effects that "Don't call me Vic" and Peggs were experiencing was due to an area deniability device such as Arthurs subsonic device idea or a microwave device like the Army and some police departments have, or it could be a device that KC made for the plotline of the story. This would have the benifit of keeping the Zombies away and also keeping any survivors away from the possible facility.
It would also explain why other animals are no where to be seen in the area as it would affect them as well. And so far in the story we haven't seen if animals are affected by the Z "virus" (or whatever it is), which also piqued my thoughts on an area deniability device.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device

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Originally Posted by zombiederek

I have to agree with this. Saul has become really annoying and he used to be my second favorite. It makes no sense at all to leave the group and go on a needle in a haystack search for Lizzy. Yeah it really sucks that she is gone, but there is no way in hell he is going to be able to find her on his own with no clues.

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It may be a needle in a haystack, but Saul knows exactly where he's going right now. There's only been one big major happening in the city of L.A. since he left the Tower on his passion filled mission, and I'd think it's a pretty safe bet he's headed to the Arena right now.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

It may be a needle in a haystack, but Saul knows exactly where he's going right now. There's only been one big major happening in the city of L.A. since he left the Tower on his passion filled mission, and I'd think it's a pretty safe bet he's headed to the Arena right now.

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Yah, they think Saul is stupid. LOL. He's anything but that. He has yet to do anything without the means to do it or information.

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Originally Posted by Leedo2502

I like the idea that Arthur tossed out... If we are going with the idea that the Zombie outbreak is man made then Ground Zero would naturally be the site of the lab or instalation that was doing the Z research. They'd know about how the zombies work and any weaknesses and the ability to create countermeasures to exploit those weaknesses.

That being said maybe the effects that "Don't call me Vic" and Peggs were experiencing was due to an area deniability device such as Arthurs subsonic device idea or a microwave device like the Army and some police departments have, or it could be a device that KC made for the plotline of the story. This would have the benifit of keeping the Zombies away and also keeping any survivors away from the possible facility.
It would also explain why other animals are no where to be seen in the area as it would affect them as well. And so far in the story we haven't seen if animals are affected by the Z "virus" (or whatever it is), which also piqued my thoughts on an area deniability device.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device

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HOLY SH..! Now that is an awesome theory dude! The Vomit Gun!! One of a few FP measures out there.

The only thing is that they'd need someone to check the device. The owner would have to be monitoring it and the area. Eye in the Sky maybe? They'd also need to have one in every country and state's ground Zero.

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Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel

It's the trying that is important. The will to "DO." The Hail Mary Pass is what the American Spirit is built on. Franklin and lightning experiment, Kitty Hawke, If the glove does not fit, you must aquit.. all HMP's! You have to fail for it to suck. When/If Saul's luck ever runs out then... like I said, it will be Wild West Style. He's going out guns blazing. It'll be a warriors death.

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But that's jus the thing, like rock just said he gets a free pass for being lovable, if that was Angel who had just ran after Riley right now, how much crap would he have gotten? Tons! The way I see it Saul says smart things and gives wise advise BUT makes dumb decisions but people love him anyway. Angel says dumb things which annoy some people but his actions are fairly thought out ( if he has time ).

And man even if here are some great success stories of hail mary passes, for every success there are a 100 failures that no one ever talks about. Saul is on a crash course for disaster


And yarri yeah I'll give Saul shit. No one else does. He fucked up and because the entire forum is one huge Saul fan club no one calls him on the stupid stuff he pulls.

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Originally Posted by Leedo2502

It would also explain why other animals are no where to be seen in the area as it would affect them as well. And so far in the story we haven't seen if animals are affected by the Z "virus" (or whatever it is), which also piqued my thoughts on an area deniability device.

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We know that animals aren't affected by the virus (or whatever it may be). Marcus tells us his dogs aren't capable of changing and we've seen a bird eating a behemoth's "corpse" to no ill effect.

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Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel

The only thing is that they'd need someone to check the device. The owner would have to be monitoring it and the area. Eye in the Sky maybe? They'd also need to have one in every country and state's ground Zero.

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I'm thinking that, if it is indeed protecting some facility, that they have the place ringed with them.
Maybe they even have layers of defense... the Less than lethal ring with the Sonic and microwave devices
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System
The layer with maybe mines or something
Then a layer with actively monitored weapons like the RWS's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_weapon_system

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

We know that animals aren't affected by the virus (or whatever it may be). Marcus tells us his dogs aren't capable of changing and we've seen a bird eating a behemoth's "corpse" to no ill effect.

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Right which made me wonder why it is that the animals were no where near Ground Zero... it could be the Area Deniability Devices affecting them

LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING! You all just said oh he's in love and let him off the hook! Damn saul fans

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Originally Posted by Leedo2502

I'm thinking that, if it is indeed protecting some facility, that they have the place ringed with them.
Maybe they even have layers of defense... the Less than lethal ring with the Sonic and microwave devices
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System
The layer with maybe mines or something
Then a layer with actively monitored weapons like the RWS's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_weapon_system

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ah. I follow you know. I was thinking it was being used to keep people out of the area instead of a security device.

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Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel

The only thing is that they'd need someone to check the device. The owner would have to be monitoring it and the area. Eye in the Sky maybe? They'd also need to have one in every country and state's ground Zero.

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If my theory holds true you'd for sure have that place ringed with a ton of surveillance assets as well

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Originally Posted by Leedo2502

Right which made me wonder why it is that the animals were no where near Ground Zero... it could be the Area Deniability Devices affecting them

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Gotcha. I now follow your logic now. I didn't connect the two thoughts for some reason.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Gotcha. I now follow your logic now. I didn't connect the two thoughts for some reason.

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No harm... I wrote it quick so I blame myself LOL

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING! You all just said oh he's in love and let him off the hook! Damn saul fans

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We didn't let him off the hook. We gave reason. One that I didn't think about until Leedo said something. You're comparing Apples and Oranges with Saul leaving and Angel ditching Hope.

Saul is a "Saver." He risked his OWN life to go after lady and got stuck in the trunk and now he's doing the same thing for Lizzie. He's loyal to a fault. Sure it's dumb to go off on your own, but he's not putting anyone else at risk but himself.
Michael already knows that Saul is capable of doing some crazy crap once he gets his panties in a bunch.

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING! You all just said oh he's in love and let him off the hook! Damn saul fans

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Not to restart the war (which I see is brewing in your frustrations right now), but the major difference has to do with the positions in the Tower Saul holds vs. Angel. Saul isn't really a part of the command structure in the Tower. His opinion is valued, but he's the "doer" of the three soldiers and the big difference is: Saul's actions are self-destructive. Him running off right now in theory should do no damage to anyone but himself.

Of course, that's not the case because someone is going to go looking for him instead of leaving him twisting in the wind like they probably should.

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Originally Posted by Leedo2502

I like the idea that Arthur tossed out... If we are going with the idea that the Zombie outbreak is man made then Ground Zero would naturally be the site of the lab or instalation that was doing the Z research. They'd know about how the zombies work and any weaknesses and the ability to create countermeasures to exploit those weaknesses.

That being said maybe the effects that "Don't call me Vic" and Peggs were experiencing was due to an area deniability device such as Arthurs subsonic device idea or a microwave device like the Army and some police departments have, or it could be a device that KC made for the plotline of the story. This would have the benifit of keeping the Zombies away and also keeping any survivors away from the possible facility.
It would also explain why other animals are no where to be seen in the area as it would affect them as well. And so far in the story we haven't seen if animals are affected by the Z "virus" (or whatever it is), which also piqued my thoughts on an area deniability device.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device

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I like this idea! did the lab make them? did they escaped? or let out? or was the lab placed there at ground z after the outbreak to conduct tests?!?!?!?!?! with the area deniability device, protecting the scientist. on another note animals know when something is not right. and are hiding, don't want to be eaten.

Also in line with the LRAD or ADS idea there are smaller man-portable versions... this could be the weapon that Scratch was talking about.

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Originally Posted by Leedo2502

Also in line with the LRAD or ADS idea there are smaller man-portable versions... this could be the weapon that Scratch was talking about.

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and found in yet another safe.. I can buy that for a dollar! BUT, would such a "weapon" work on the creatures? We know some of them can be knocked out. Some feel pain, and some know fear. So, maybe a device that uses sonics could possibly work.

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Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel

and found in yet another safe.. I can buy that for a dollar! BUT, would such a "weapon" work on the creatures? We know some of them can be knocked out. Some feel pain, and some know fear. So, maybe a device that uses sonics could possibly work.

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I don't think we've gotten any evidence that these won't work... The ADS produces alot of pain and the LRAD makes you sick as a dog and it'll probably work on the Zombies since they don't seem to be the Romero undead type (such as the chloroform working on them).

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Not to restart the war (which I see is brewing in your frustrations right now), but the major difference has to do with the positions in the Tower Saul holds vs. Angel. Saul isn't really a part of the command structure in the Tower. His opinion is valued, but he's the "doer" of the three soldiers and the big difference is: Saul's actions are self-destructive. Him running off right now in theory should do no damage to anyone but himself.

Of course, that's not the case because someone is going to go looking for him instead of leaving him twisting in the wind like they probably should.

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Wow good answer, I'll take that.

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

Wow good answer, I'll take that.

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Me too!

Let's start by saying, "STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!" Yeah, I'm so whooped on this Lizzy, I'm just gonna take my sick ass outta here and one of our much needed vehicles and,....soooo loooong suckas!

Never mind the objective at hand, it's all about me and my woman!

SAUL'S SELF-DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR FAILURES:
1. Sick. Could pass out, get infection.
2. Numb nut in love. Yes, he's worried and tired of sitting on his ass, thinking no one is willing to look for Lizzy, but hold on to your left nut and take it!
3. Endangerment. Saul has now put other people at risk pulling his stupid stunt. It's likely Burt, feeling he's partly at fault will want to go after him and he's not in the best condition to do so either.

VICTOR SHOULD BEAT HIS ASS!

all i got to say is, i lived in Inglewood for 13 years of my life, and even i wont drive through there, Zombie Apocalypse or not, haha :P

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Originally Posted by Z Sniper

Me too!

Let's start by saying, "STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!" Yeah, I'm so whooped on this Lizzy, I'm just gonna take my sick ass outta here and one of our much needed vehicles and,....soooo loooong suckas!

Never mind the objective at hand, it's all about me and my woman!

SAUL'S SELF-DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR FAILURES:
1. Sick. Could pass out, get infection.
2. Numb nut in love. Yes, he's worried and tired of sitting on his ass, thinking no one is willing to look for Lizzy, but hold on to your left nut and take it!
3. Endangerment. Saul has now put other people at risk pulling his stupid stunt. It's likely Burt, feeling he's partly at fault will want to go after him and he's not in the best condition to do so either.

VICTOR SHOULD BEAT HIS ASS!

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Boy, that was so nonobjective ;) I wonder if someone's somewhat slighted towards Victor ;)

I don't know about g z but I think we can assume several things about the outbreak:
1 It can't be spread by air or else people would be gettting infected faster than the zombies could move
2 It's a pathogen that effects the nervous system, primarily the prefrontal cortex and the brain stem
3 The "smarter in life smarter in death" idea could hold up if the prefrontal cortex was used more (like a muscle gets stronger) and was less effected
4 It's spread through direct contact with blood or Datu would've been infected

Assuming KC planned for all this (which I think he did) the pathogen was tailored made to turn people into zombies. A biological weapon in essence. Something that sophisticated would have to be produced by someone with a lot of resources and motive. And the fact that for it to spread to Hawaii it would probably have to be delivered there by terrorist/agent/crazy guy because of how fast people turn. In other words a 4 some hour plane ride to Hawaii with an infected on board would crash quickly.

Sorry if this has already been posted but I've read everything in this thread so I thought I'd give my input

Great episode! I can't wait until they go to the hospital the hospital level was the best one in L4D and the creepiest.
And saul is an idiot. I understand why he did that but still.

I can't remember if previously the area where the the "gas" was had been marked out? Can someone please tell me? Great episode though as usual. Good work team!
Will we find out what happened to Lizzy in the next chapter through Saul? I hope so. Can't these weeks go faster!

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Originally Posted by Walrusgus

I can't remember if previously the area where the the "gas" was had been marked out? Can someone please tell me? Great episode though as usual. Good work team!
Will we find out what happened to Lizzy in the next chapter through Saul? I hope so. Can't these weeks go faster!

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Are you asking where the fuel depot is where Burt, Saul and Lizzy stole a tanker from the Mallers? That's marked out on the Map and it's actually very close to where LAX is. when you look on the map, that big vacant area where there are no roads just to the right of the Pumping Station: That's LAX

Hey for those of you who know all that amazing information on the Jolly Green Giant: I've created the wiki article for the chopper here: http://zombiepodcast.com/forum/showw...ly+Green+Giant

So feel free to plug in all that information you gave us! :)

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Are you asking where the fuel depot is where Burt, Saul and Lizzy stole a tanker from the Mallers? That's marked out on the Map and it's actually very close to where LAX is. when you look on the map, that big vacant area where there are no roads just to the right of the Pumping Station: That's LAX

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That was a very good explanation. I was talking about when Pegs was feeling sick and coughing and then Angel said it was because she was in the area which Michael had circled previously. I couldn't remember previously hearing about this.

I agree with Britt when she says Burt is going to be the next major character to die simply because I think his character has been messing up royaly. To have Burt chase after Saul and then die trying to rescue he and Lizzie seems likely. My buddy Hector seems to disagree though saying that Burt just invented remote explosives making him an even bigger asset to the Tower and therefore "unkillable" at this point.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Not to restart the war (which I see is brewing in your frustrations right now), but the major difference has to do with the positions in the Tower Saul holds vs. Angel. Saul isn't really a part of the command structure in the Tower. His opinion is valued, but he's the "doer" of the three soldiers and the big difference is: Saul's actions are self-destructive. Him running off right now in theory should do no damage to anyone but himself.

Of course, that's not the case because someone is going to go looking for him instead of leaving him twisting in the wind like they probably should.

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I also think everyone is forgetting how KC has wrote his character's personality. I think KC wrote him like d'Artagnan. LOL
He's the risk taker, I'm sorry but dude is gonna do some stupid ish because that's how he's wired/written. Pluse being P'Whipped is a mugg! ROFL!

I'm not sure if anyone posted about this yet, and I'm really busy this week, so no time to read through 120 posts.

Did anyone else think Kc dropped the "it's a pelican because it can land on water" as a foreshadowing?

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Originally Posted by j0be

I'm not sure if anyone posted about this yet, and I'm really busy this week, so no time to read through 120 posts.

Did anyone else think Kc dropped the "it's a pelican because it can land on water" as a foreshadowing?

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Yes J0be! I don't know how... But it will come into play. Bad things are going to happen with this helicopter trip. I know it! Maybe Kalani will finally have a heart attack, and Pegs will have to make an emergency landing. ;) The possibilities are endless!
-Rock

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Originally Posted by Rock Daddy

Yes J0be! I don't know how... But it will come into play. Bad things are going to happen with this helicopter trip. I know it! Maybe Kalani will finally have a heart attack, and Pegs will have to make an emergency landing. ;) The possibilities are endless!
-Rock

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LOL. Dude, you just want somebody to die is all.