Characters You Hate!

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

hahah for the record, i do have a one track agenda, and that is keep the angel haters at bay, and undying support for the maller/tower alliance theory, (at least till disproven (and then i'll find another theory to support all the time!))

but also, good insight on the hate characters for a reason thing, and with that, there is no excuse that i hate datu for being a whiny bitch (its justified for him) but if i may say so, i find Lizzie annoying for her overprotectiveness of saul, which is NOT justified. there is no compelling reason for that attitude, in fact both of those characters take foolish and irrational actions and stances when it comes to protecting each other, lizzie blaming angel for not saving saul, when the blame is equally michael and burt's fault. and saul was getting ready to tear michael's head off for lizzie passing out during the chloroform and mug the zombies operation. i can understand protectiveness to a certain degree, that would be expected, since they are in a serious relationship, but these guys both overdo it. saul's pretty hilarious tho, so he's not really annoying, im not all that attached to lizzie, so she gets put in the annoying corner.

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Saul and Lizzy suffer from acute puppy love. Try to pull apart any 8th grade couple and see how well that works. Ultimate example? Romeo and Juliet. That worked out well for those two didn't it? After working on that production for 7 months, what I take out of that show is how stupid and rash R+J act.

Lizzy specifically suffers hard. For a therapist, she is exceptionally unaware of her own inner demons. She identifies after Todd dies that he was sort of a "I hate you Daddy" relationship, but then she goes and commits to Saul and it's feels like the same thing, in my opinion. And that to me makes her so interesting. She can pull apart anyone's issues, and then suddenly when it's time to turn that magnifying glass in on herself, she won't or can't do it. She projects a lot of anger around her and onto everyone else, but never seems to understand where the hatred comes from.

As for Saul, I don't know if he's ready for a deep meaningful relationship. He may be mature in some aspects, but for some reason he SCREAMS high school senior when it comes to relationships. I may be swayed by his objectifying of Lizzy early on and I may be missing something deeper but its hard for me to see. I know about the flowers and what not, but that whole thing still screamed high school to me. He was so awkward and tried to make it like such a big thing instead of some suave adult man who knows how to treat a woman with dignity and respect.

Saul and Lizzy= Romeo and Juliet. Here's a Voodoo Lounge prediction for you right now: If one of them dies, so will the other.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Lizzy specifically suffers hard. For a therapist, she is exceptionally unaware of her own inner demons. She identifies after Todd dies that he was sort of a "I hate you Daddy" relationship, but then she goes and commits to Saul and it's feels like the same thing, in my opinion. And that to me makes her so interesting. She can pull apart anyone's issues, and then suddenly when it's time to turn that magnifying glass in on herself, she won't or can't do it. She projects a lot of anger around her and onto everyone else, but never seems to understand where the hatred comes from.

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so if i was to say, i hate lizzy because of her inability to analyze her own faults, and because she projects her anger onto everyone else (who dont deserve it!) it would be cool cause i hate her for who she is, and not for the actions she's taken

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

so if i was to say, i hate lizzy because of her inability to analyze her own faults, and because she projects her anger onto everyone else (who dont deserve it!) it would be cool cause i hate her for who she is, and not for the actions she's taken

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I preface this by saying everyone is obviously entitled to say what they wish. That is the point of the forums :)

To me, it seems as I look through the thread that some key on the actions without thinking about why the character is acting the way they do. If you think of it that way, how could anyone fault Datu for acting how he's acting? The woman he loved was killed less than a month ago. This is why I took so long to respond to this thread because I've been trying to think of a way to bring this topic up without seemingly tearing everyone down because that's not my intention. I'm not exactly all put together at the moment for various reasons and I might accidentally come across as a douche bag. So if I sound very harsh or mean, I do apologize.

Those reasons you just presented are fantastic reasons to hate Lizzy because those are actual character flaws. Its just so happens where some may see a reason to hate I just happen to see those as detailed character traits that make stories more interesting to me. I love the character analysis. I do it to everything I read, or watch. Hence, why I cop out and say I don't hate any of the characters. So as to your Lizzy argument you just presented:

LOL, seal of approval hahahahaa

I dig Liz A' frigg'n LOT! She most def has skills with a weapon and her spatial awareness is damn near a mutant power only reserved for men. The episode when they discovered the ambush site and she noticed the watcher on the roof. She had the distance set in her 3rd eye perfectly. Normally that takes training.
Anyway, this isn't the "I Love Lizzie" show.. so I'll say I hate..em..em... I hate Michael (for the moment). He's getting on my last nerve. Once he regains his military bearing, I'll probably start digging him again.
Right now though, I want to say "Hey Mike.. bend over and grab your ankles, then come up and say POP! See, what you've just done is pulled your head out your ass!"

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Originally Posted by Wicked Sid

I doubt Scratch would be willing to forgive Pegs so easily. Maybe Pegs dies? I know for sure that Scratch is going to survive until the end. For sure!

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I don't think they dropped the body off as a means to call a truce, more as a favor for a favor.

I don't like the Tattoo'd Zombie. Pinstripe wearing bastard!

To be fair, I love all the characters. Even the ones I hate I love to hate. So I can't pick one.

I've started to like Kalani... a little bit... but all of chapter 18-3 when it was kalani and angel I just kept saying DIE KALANI! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE!

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Originally Posted by Onslaught

all of chapter 18-3 when it was kalani and angel I just kept saying DIE KALANI! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE!

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I sincerely hope you weren't listening to it on the bus.

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Originally Posted by SleepyGlenn

I sincerely hope you weren't listening to it on the bus.

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Nope, in jogging class.

I dislike Datu, Pegs, and Riley....a lot.

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Originally Posted by Chelsea Childress

I dislike Datu, Pegs, and Riley....a lot.

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Datu and Pegs I can understand (lots of people have made those cases on here), but what do you have against Riley?

There is something about Riley that gets under my skin. I don't think I'm the only one because I have another friend who feels similar. No offense intended to the writers, but Riley seems Mary Sue-ish. She can do anything and everything, and she always has a good attitude about it. It's like she's Super Woman. She never truly complains, and when she does, it's not on a believable scale. She doesn't have a lot of depth. I don't see too many flaws with her character other than the fact she doesn't have any--which, to me, it a fairly big flaw. She just doesn't seem real. However, Riley and I have one thing in common...we both dislike Pegs! XD

I'm sure with the progression of the story, we will see more sides to Riley that will hopefully humanize her a little more. I haven't given up on her yet! :)

However, as I've said in the Favorite Characters thread, grating characters are important to the story, too. It's more realistic. You'd be hard pressed to like everyone in real life. So, even though I dislike Pegs and Datu because they are plain ol' annoying, I can forgive said annoyance because I understand their purpose to the story. They're an added flavor to the stew.

With that said, at this point in time, I can't stand Riley because she's a cookie cutter character thrown in to make everything run smoothly. At least that's the impression I get.

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Originally Posted by Chelsea Childress

There is something about Riley that gets under my skin. I don't think I'm the only one because I have another friend who feels similar. No offense intended to the writers, but Riley seems Mary Sue-ish. She can do anything and everything, and she always has a good attitude about it. It's like she's Super Woman. She never truly complains, and when she does, it's not on a believable scale. She doesn't have a lot of depth. I don't see too many flaws with her character other than the fact she doesn't have any--which, to me, it a fairly big flaw. She just doesn't seem real. However, Riley and I have one thing in common...we both dislike Pegs! XD

I'm sure with the progression of the story, we will see more sides to Riley that will hopefully humanize her a little more. I haven't given up on her yet! :)

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Did you know she's an *Alcoholic?

*Unsubstantiated rumour from my brain.

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Originally Posted by Wicked Sid

Did you know she's an *Alcoholic?

*Unsubstantiated rumour from my brain.

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Now, that would make her interesting wouldn't it? Too bad she's not suffering from withdrawals, otherwise I could believe it :/

you know who pisses me off, MARCUS. grade a asshole, i hope michael gives him some shovel therapy when the mallers invade

I greatly loathe pegs! She is completely useless and whiny! I'm excitedly waiting for her downfall >:)

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Originally Posted by Ashley

I greatly loathe pegs! She is completely useless and whiny! I'm excitedly waiting for her downfall >:)

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Grab a Taser!!!!! ;)

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Originally Posted by Ashley

I greatly loathe pegs! She is completely useless and whiny! I'm excitedly waiting for her downfall >:)

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Since she left on the mission she's on now, the only thing she's "whined" about was getting a piece of the dock jammed in her foot..and the associated stitches. Lots of hyper nerve endings in the bottom of the human foot. Getting anything stuck in there is highly unpleasant.

Are you talking about the older (and most definitely) whiny Pegs? Pegs v1.0 who flipped out on Riley for hugging Michael?

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Originally Posted by Chelsea Childress

Grab a Taser!!!!! ;)

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And if you truly want her downfall, up the stakes!! Come on! Full on medieval torture! Screw the taser! Lets get us an Iron Maiden and make it interesting!

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

And if you truly want her downfall, up the stakes!! Come on! Full on medieval torture! Screw the taser! Lets get us an Iron Maiden and make it interesting!

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See, the problem with that idea is that we would have to find an Iron Maiden, and I'm not sure we could do that. If we could find one, it would likely take awhile. However, we already have access to a Taser...I'm sure you understand where I'm going with this....

I like your enthusiasm, though!!! Keep the ideas coming! ;)

Pegs. Just Pegs. I haven't gotten all the way caught up yet, so there may be more in the future, but PEGS!
I actually hated her when i was reading character bios and she said she didn't like guns, she's a florist, and she's basically a hippy!
Also I just hated, I hated SO MUCH how they made it obvious from the get-go that her and Michael were going to be into each other. I means seriously. The way Michael was drawn to the way she looked, or whatever he said. Gimme a break!

Now, Riley, she's a sue. But she's one of the more likable ones at least. At least she's not they type that is all happy one minute then sad over the littlest thing the next. She's a little more realistic when it comes to situations, and I mean the way she seems things, not how she acts. She's too perfect, not enough flaws but at least she isn't super tolerating and loving like most sues. She seems to get annoyed with things, which is good.
However, making her French, a cook, and a champion archer is a little improbable. I don't hate her but I do have issues with her.

But really... IT'S PEGS!

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Originally Posted by Marietta

Pegs. Just Pegs. I haven't gotten all the way caught up yet, so there may be more in the future, but PEGS!
I actually hated her when i was reading character bios and she said she didn't like guns, she's a florist, and she's basically a hippy!
Also I just hated, I hated SO MUCH how they made it obvious from the get-go that her and Michael were going to be into each other. I means seriously. The way Michael was drawn to the way she looked, or whatever he said. Gimme a break!

Now, Riley, she's a sue. But she's one of the more likable ones at least. At least she's not they type that is all happy one minute then sad over the littlest thing the next. She's a little more realistic when it comes to situations, and I mean the way she seems things, not how she acts. She's too perfect, not enough flaws but at least she isn't super tolerating and loving like most sues. She seems to get annoyed with things, which is good.
However, making her French, a cook, and a champion archer is a little improbable. I don't hate her but I do have issues with her.

But really... IT'S PEGS!

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I really, really like you...a lot.

Yeah, most people do. It's because I'm awesome and it radiates off me.
...I mean, THANK YOU! =D

I take it you don't like Pegs either? *didn't read many earlier posts*

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Originally Posted by Marietta

Yeah, most people do. It's because I'm awesome and it radiates off me.
...I mean, THANK YOU! =D

I take it you don't like Pegs either? *didn't read many earlier posts*

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Yes, I called Riley a sue, too.

Riley to me is too blase about the whole end of the word situation. She not my least liked but she annoys me with her unconcerned but still kind of condescending attitude. Like she's only a team player because all these simple people need her awesome help.

Hate Pegs (ears bleed, annoying, desperate, unrealistic, loves to risk other people's lives)

So far, scratch. Her unhinged attitude is good but fingers down a chalkboard to me.

Michael kinda irked me while the War was going on but he seems to have gotten over that (by chapter 16)

Kalani (in chapter 16), with his constant shouting about not being told what is going on sent me crazy

Its not that I expect everyone in the "zombie" apocalypse to be calm.

Burt.. cause he reminds me of my father.......

Bixby and Gatekeeper. Bixby is just an all around jerk and I would love to see Micheal take him out, and Gatekeeper makes my skin crawl hardcore.

I dunno that I hate a character. Pegs annoys me from time to time. I use to think I'd like to see her get dragged off by a zombie. Not so much any more. Not much of a Kalani fan. Mainly because he let Samantha be taken instead of himself.

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Originally Posted by Pen

I dunno that I hate a character. Pegs annoys me from time to time. I use to think I'd like to see her get dragged off by a zombie. Not so much any more. Not much of a Kalani fan. Mainly because he let Samantha be taken instead of himself.

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you hate kalani because he didnt sacrifice himself to save a stranger? i'm no kalani fan, but still comeon, if you were in that sit would you die for some random chick you dont know?

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

you hate kalani because he didnt sacrifice himself to save a stranger? i'm no kalani fan, but still comeon, if you were in that sit would you die for some random chick you dont know?

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I never said I hated Kalani. LOL I just not a fan. I think it was more of the way he just sat there. Not speaking when he was spoken to. He got better later on, when he was on a mission with Angel.

I am very pleased to say Bixby and the Gatekeeper.

I wish Michael had hit him a 3rd time. My new favorite quote from Michael. " No one does that to you and gets away with it!"

Gatekeeper is just creepy really really really creepy. He makes me want to bathe in bleach cause my skin feels nasty!

Ok i gotta say, i started out hating Pegs, Kelly, Kalani, and Datu, but honestly, now after all the things that have happened in season 2, i really don't mind them, especially pegs and kelly they've both changed completely. and after spending so much time at the colony, i don't think there's anyone at the tower that i actively hate ... except datu, i still dont like datu, but even then i wouldnt go so far as to say i hate datu. maybe lizzy cause she's such a bitch to Angel all the time.

I hate Kelly and Skittles. Kelly was a mega-B***h and Skittles cant put together a sentence...Both of these characters just make me mad when they talk and do anything. I must admit though. Kelly has been growing on me.

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I think when Tommy died it really changed her.

Kelly, was my most hated but her change has mnade me like her, somewhat.

Kalani, he is such a brown noser and he is only out for Numero UNO... Selfish frakker.

Datu, has too many mood swings. Find some prozac or something for him.

Kalani - just annoys me

Tommy - Glad they killed him off... whiny little s**t

Datu - Even if his redemption thing through Hope plays out, I just don't like him.

I can't really "hate" anyone because the actors and actresses behind the characters are doing such an impressive and persuasive job of making us dislike certain characters. With that in mind, the person I love to hate is Scratch. That girl is crazy, and not in a good or cool way. She is definitely a type of villain that listeners can rally against. Gatekeeper was a character that I didn't like either, but again, it was the character's personality and demeanor, which is all due to KC's writing and Mark Miller's acting.

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Originally Posted by Hellbringer

I can't really "hate" anyone because the actors and actresses behind the characters are doing such an impressive and persuasive job of making us dislike certain characters.

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Actually, this is the only reason I hate datu. I think the voice actor does a terrible job of speaking in broken English - it's too forced. I hope I didn't ruin anything for you guys but the voice actor’s portrayal makes my skin crawl. I just can't listen to him speak.