Chapter 44-2: Life and Death

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Originally Posted by MrRedBeard

I would have put money on the hospital basement being the place the little ones were created but now I'm wondering what was being created there with the tattoo gun and nail filings.

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That would have been the origin of the Behemoth chasing Saul and Kelly now. It's not a coincidence it keeps coming back to the place it was created. The "nail trimmings" that Riley and Kalani found could have been some of the Keratin growths chipped off, or may have been actual nail clippings from the behemoth. Busted out door, tattoo gun- and it having tattoos- Seems like a surefire bet to me. It's been hinted at this one NOT being from the Jail, didn't Kc say that on the Fancast?

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

There were bones on the makeshift bed. Now that i think about the ALDO may have eating their "host". :meh:

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You could say all babies eat their Mom. :squint:

before and after they're born if they're breastfed. Don't regular zombies have regular bones?

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

You could say all babies eat their Mom. :squint:

before and after they're born if they're breastfed. Don't regular zombies have regular bones?

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I think they have more reinforced bones: even more reinforced with Inklings and behemoths. And i was also thinking they they might of fed on the mothers body after being born....

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Originally Posted by clem131

I haven't finished listening yet, but I have a request for KC.
I understand the need for realism and accurate sounds, but I'm really struggling with what Tanya says over the radio when Lizzie is screaming. This has been happening a bit more often lately, for example with Puck during his rescue. I think someone who doesn't know the script should prooflisten, or else it can really take people out of an episode, having to go back and re-listen in the middle of an action packed sequence because what you missed might have been important. Of course once you know what it says it becomes obvious (and that's why I suggest the prooflistening ;))
Ok, back to the action, I hope what Tamya said wasn't important!

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I can clean it up a bit later in the remaster. She says this: "Well, a bit of good news. I guess Lizzy was in enough stress to induce labor, her water just broke- I won’t have to do a c-section. "

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

When Michael and Victor count the numbers, they do not mention "eight" ...

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You can imagine it was there. I didn't want to count off EVERY number between 1 and 12. Or, well 13. ;)

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

I learned a new word! A creeeeepy new word!:D

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Well, that's nominativ plural of nasciturus, which is - as far as I know - the Latin word for an unborn child ... I know, Latin is a "dead language" ... And that makes it even more creepy ... Hehehe.

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Originally Posted by Kc

You can imagine it was there. I didn't want to count off EVERY number between 1 and 12. Or, well 13. ;)

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Yeah, that's my conclusion from the storytelling as well. I just wanted people to recognize it and maybe raise some more crazy theories ... ^^ Like, you know: What, if Bill Roberts is superstitious and anxious about the number of 8 ... :D

KC, really zombie babies?!!? I going have nightmares now. It like chest-burster from Aliens but the they start eating you before you died. Ahh! I said no to the idea on the livecast bc this is why.

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

It like chest-burster from Aliens but the they start eating you before you died. Ahh! I said no to the idea on the livecast bc this is why.

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They wouldn't have had teeth, right? Maybe?

I'm going to lay down another one of my soon to fail predictions:

Michael is going to send KODI down the rabbit hole after Inky and the boys, to blow them all to smithereens.

Mark it down.

Holy Shit. This is nuts.

Ok, if we have Zombie Babies to make Little Ones... then I am ok with The Symbols. Mainly because we have drifted far enough away from what we thought were the rules of the show. We are enough away from what I thought was cannon. If they gave birth and grew into 6 foot tall monsters in like 6 months... then The Symbols are not as far out there. Just had to change how I few the rules of the show. Not sure how I feel about Zombie Babies... but I am not livid or hating it. Just shocked it went this way. I was sooo sure that were like 10 year old's that were changed.

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

They wouldn't have had teeth, right? Maybe?

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If they are get pump with drugs and HGH this may produce teeth and nails.... Ughhh I don't want even think about this....

I think the trails of blood represent lunch being brought to the zombmoms.
Since the tattooing equipment was at the hospital I think Ink was monitoring the babies there but kept the mothers at the arena the rest of the time.
Wow, I was expecting the little ones to originate from already-born babies, but this is waaaay worse.

Wow, great episode!

One of the biggest shocking moments to me was caused by the question: How fat is Michael Cross when he tried to squeeze himself through the narrow opening.

http://www.outofregs.com/postImages/1302141388.jpg

I somehow considered Victor to be the little chubby.

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Originally Posted by Kc

I can clean it up a bit later in the remaster. She says this: "Well, a bit of good news. I guess Lizzy was in enough stress to induce labor, her water just broke- I won’t have to do a c-section. "

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Great! Thanks!!

Wow, with all those occult glyphs on Ink, and he numbers one of them 13? Jeesh, I thought he was smarter than that...

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Originally Posted by Verse

Holy Shit. This is nuts.

Ok, if we have Zombie Babies to make Little Ones... then I am ok with The Symbols. Mainly because we have drifted far enough away from what we thought were the rules of the show. We are enough away from what I thought was cannon. If they gave birth and grew into 6 foot tall monsters in like 6 months... then The Symbols are not as far out there. Just had to change how I few the rules of the show. Not sure how I feel about Zombie Babies... but I am not livid or hating it. Just shocked it went this way. I was sooo sure that were like 10 year old's that were changed.

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To me it seems more logical to go this way. Direct injection was unstable, so he had to have it pass through the mother first. If they're children, they already have pre-conceived knowledge of the world... this way, not.

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

Wow, great episode!

One of the biggest shocking moments to me was caused by the question: How fat is Michael Cross when he tried to squeeze himself through the narrow opening.

http://www.outofregs.com/postImages/1302141388.jpg

I somehow considered Victor to be the little chubby.

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Probably not THAT fat, but I can imagine him freaking out being in such a tight space again... little dejavu.

Can I just strut a little? I feel validated that one of my theories was finally right. /flex

Just finished the episode and I need a few more run-throughs before I have anything much to add to the discussion at this point. Happy Monday everyone!

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I would not be surprised if Datu sooner or later combines all his mental mechanical Jedi strength in order to initiate his turning process because he simply cannot stand being constantly asked if he is ok in two minute intervals.

And of course, if he is going to turn, Vic and Michael will not be prepared for it, that is for sure.

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

They wouldn't have had teeth, right? Maybe?

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Babies....... even non-zombie, non-HGH, etc, etc babies can be born with some teeth already.

Add in the fact that Ink is pumping the mother and/or the baby with drugs and whatnot...... it is highly likely that they came out with teeth/nails or who know what other kind of craziness........


So I just had a thought................. But if I am not mistaken....... Wasn't #12 killed by the Soldiers from Boulder??? When Saul and Victor were out by themselves??? With that being said............. Is the #12 at the Arena his Mate??? Did each Little one have a "breeding partner"???

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

Other thought:

I would not be surprised if Datu sooner or later combines all his mental mechanical Jedi strength in order to initiate his turning process because he is simply cannot stand being constantly asked if he is ok in two minute intervals.

And of course, if he is going to turn, Vic and Michael will not be prepared for it, that is for sure.

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I love that this was addressed by Datu. It's very clear that character are think and said the same we thinking the real world.

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Originally Posted by Gnex

Babies....... even non-zombie, non-HGH, etc, etc babies can be born with some teeth already.

Add in the fact that Ink is pumping the mother and/or the baby with drugs and whatnot...... it is highly likely that they came out with teeth/nails or who know what other kind of craziness........


So I just had a thought................. But if I am not mistaken....... Wasn't #12 killed by the Soldiers from Boulder??? When Saul and Victor were out by themselves??? With that being said............. Is the #12 at the Arena his Mate??? Did each Little one have a "breeding partner"???

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So you are said there are 24 of them? Which can explain why the size were different among the group.

This has just become one of my all-time favourite episodes! So many twists and tense moments, can't wait to see how the next episode pans out :D

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Probably this is the very episode of "We're Alive" that really deserves the attribute "explicit" on Apple's iTunes ...

Need to digest it. Have listened to it now for a few times. That one, really, is hard to stomach ...

Ok, we had it with the infants being the ones which became the Little Ones ... But our estimate was like: infants from Cain Hospital. Now my questions are:
these 12 ones over here: were they all brought to "life" in the "Private Club Room"? Or were some of them brought there - like from the hospital -, while others were the nascituri of pregnant women which were brought here?
Edit: Or in much more detail, like I have posted it on Facebook:

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"2) What exactly has happened in the "Private Club Room" of the Arena? In the past people rumored and tinfoil-hated a lot where the "Little Ones" came from; and it was kind of a certainty that they were created and raised in the Cain Hospital. But now it seems that they were created in the "Private Club Room" of the Arena. The "gross questions" in this context are:
- Did Bill Roberts collect pregnant women to this place and modify them?
- Did Bill Roberts take women there and made them pregnant for his next generation of zombies?
- And/ or did Bill Roberts bring pregnant women, infants, and non-pregnant women to this place for different experiments on the "LIttle Ones"?

3) All this creates a certain curiosity about the locations of the Cain Hospital, when Kalani and Riley found this place with all the nails on the floor and the needle-device. What has happened there?

4) And assuming that Michael, Victor, and Datu draw the correct conclusions, where exactly does Bill Roberts new expriments and/ or breeding of new zombies currently? And what's "it", the end-product of this, gonna be?"

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Best wishes!
Liam

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My thoughts are that the women were already pregnant and near birth. The babies would need time to gestate. (Then again, the Inklings DID grow to adult-size quickly. So, it could still go either way.) If they need time to gestate AND Ink was starting a new batch, AND the arena was the type of house of horrors (that everyone is imagining but not explicitly saying) then the new batch of babies should be right coming about now. The Behemoth at the hospital could really be one of the even-larger Inklings like the one seen at Raydon Labs. It could be there guarding the place for Ink, who will also need a neonatal facility very soon. Also, who was it that said that they heard Inklings when Angel and Riley were in the arena?

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Originally Posted by Litmaster

I'm going to lay down another one of my soon to fail predictions:

Michael is going to send KODI down the rabbit hole after Inky and the boys, to blow them all to smithereens.

Mark it down.

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I forgot all about Kodi.. Yes he can send it down The Rabbit hole. But they need to know where it comes out at so that can cave the whole think in on them..

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

So you are said there are 24 of them? Which can explain why the size were different among the group.

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Well I just relistened, and I think Datu is just assuming that the mother and baby are 12 & 13........

But if you think about it................ All the "Little Ones" had tattoos are their arms..........

Unlucky #13 had a Tattoo on her Forehead......... Michael even mentions that the corpse is a "Shriveled up body of a woman" not a "Zombie" or "One of them" or any of the other ways they describ the infected..........

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

Other thought:

I would not be surprised if Datu sooner or later combines all his mental mechanical Jedi strength in order to initiate his turning process because he simply cannot stand being constantly asked if he is ok in two minute intervals.

And of course, if he is going to turn, Vic and Michael will not be prepared for it, that is for sure.

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That would be hell if they got caught off guard. Maybe he turns to fast for the syringe and he bites Victor and Vic uses the syringe on himself. He had one once and killed the Inkling with it.. Saul gave it to him in case he got bit.

Did anyone else notice there wasn't a number #8 mentioned? I can't recall hearing it

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Originally Posted by Gnex

Well I just relistened, and I think Datu is just assuming that the mother and baby are 12 & 13........

But if you think about it................ All the "Little Ones" had tattoos are their arms..........

Unlucky #13 had a Tattoo on her Forehead......... Michael even mentions that the corpse is a "Shriveled up body of a woman" not a "Zombie" or "One of them" or any of the other ways they describ the infected..........

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So Ink is just playing them now? Good no one taught him the numbered pigs in high school trick.

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Originally Posted by tonyhind86

Did anyone else notice there wasn't a number #8 mentioned? I can't recall hearing it

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Kc addressed this earlier in the thread - it sounds like skipping 8 was convenient so they didn't have to turn the counting into sesame street time.

On the idea of the little ones and their mothers: my impression was that the mothers had the number on their foreheads and the babies ended up with a matching number on their arms. My assumption was that it was the mothers that were left and that the one baby had died in childbirth. Also, did anyone else get the impression the baby chewed/clawed its way out based on the description given? I'll have to go back and re-listen to the scene as I haven't had a chance to do that yet.

Another thought on the babies being turned pre-birth: I really hope that is the case as it boads better for Lizzy. If the mothers were getting all of the injections while pregnant in order to turn their baby into a little one, perhaps it means that Lizzy's baby is safe from that fate. (Unless that latent infection of Sauls goes and screws everything up... ;) ) Then again, if they get turned after.... I hope more people show up to prevent Ink from playing Frankenstein with the new arrival.

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

Other thought:

I would not be surprised if Datu sooner or later combines all his mental mechanical Jedi strength in order to initiate his turning process because he simply cannot stand being constantly asked if he is ok in two minute intervals.

And of course, if he is going to turn, Vic and Michael will not be prepared for it, that is for sure.

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

I love that this was addressed by Datu. It's very clear that character are think and said the same we thinking the real world.

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Datu LITERALLY stumps his toe and they ask if it's time.

Good one KC. I see what you did there.

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Originally Posted by Jannit

Kc addressed this earlier in the thread - it sounds like skipping 8 was convenient so they didn't have to turn the counting into sesame street time.

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Thanks for clearing that up - I'll leave it to my imagination to think of a zombie version of Big Bird :nik:

OH CRAP. No one can get a hold of Burt or anyone else at the Colony because Nikvoodoo Lester was too busy with his kids and work to find the time to change ALL of the encryption keys. Ink has the one in lost at the jail and is listening to EVERYTHING; and we're here worried about Scratch and Tardust eavesdropping.

J/K Nick :p

Just other thought: Kelly was *very* lucky to not being seriouly injured when the behemoth turned over the car as she had not have the time to put on the safety belt. Wow, she could be dead by now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AUcVrmAM7Y

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

Just other thought: Kelly was *very* lucky to not being seriouly injured when the behemoth turned over the car as she had not have the time to put on the safety belt. Wow, she could be dead by now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AUcVrmAM7Y

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I thought she was a gonner until she started narrating in the past tense

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Originally Posted by tonyhind86

I thought she was a gonner until she started narrating in the past tense

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If Kc wants them to keep living on, they always survive the impossible odds.... The amount of times all the characters have been in shit, yet somehow survived.... I mean, if he wanted Kalani alive, we would of found him climbing out of the helecopter wreckage...

LIT'S REACTION THROUGH PAGE 4 OF THIS THREAD

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Originally Posted by Gooer

What i want to know, is do they use women who already have a child inside, or impregnate them once they are taken?

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Yeah, that is the question of the day, my friend. Can you imagine a fate worse than being raped by a zombie, impregnated with it's foul seed, and then chewed to death from the inside by it's monstrous spawn??? *shuuuuuuudddddderrrr*

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Originally Posted by Merlin1274

He's Making MORE!!!

The Arena is getting very interesting.. I do not think like I said last week that the Zombies are still in the Arena.. The other tunnel is to the new home.. I see an expedition down the rabbit hole to find out where they are now..

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How can he make more of these with no living human babies around? The only pregnant lady left alive is.....wait.... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

As I have predicted, Michael doesn't need to go down the rabbit hole himself; just send KODI's metal ass down there and blow them the hell up!

BTW, I think the blood trails from the meat-pile was the zombie version of Dominoes Pizza.... :nik:

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Originally Posted by clem131

I think someone who doesn't know the script should prooflisten, or else it can really take people out of an episode, having to go back and re-listen in the middle of an action packed sequence because what you missed might have been important.

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Yeah, I also had trouble hearing her; had to play it back 3 times to get it. It was a bit muffled and buried amidst other sounds. Your suggestion is a good one (I could see a small group of proof-listeners who would get the episode a day early) but it's too late now... do you really want to wait until Tuesday to get a new ep? Me neither...

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Probably this is the very episode of "We're Alive" that really deserves the attribute "explicit" on Apple's iTunes ...

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Yeah, this is where the prospects of making a 'clean' version of the show get a little dicey. This content is pretty heavy, even if the language is made more broadcast-friendly...

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Originally Posted by Gooer

Maybe he tested/upgraded the Inklings at Cain? waiting for them to get to the right growth stage, then modify them to let them kill/transform easier?

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Yeah, I'm interested to see the relationship of the 2 locations in the creation of the Inklings... :nik:

(more later. out of time for now)

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Originally Posted by tonyhind86

Thanks for clearing that up - I'll leave it to my imagination to think of a zombie version of Big Bird :nik:

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Come on, The Count is already undead.

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Originally Posted by Litmaster

Yeah, that is the question of the day, my friend. Can you imagine a fate worse than being raped by a zombie, impregnated with it's foul seed, and then chewed to death from the inside from it's monstrous spawn??? *shuuuuuuudddddderrrr*

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What everyone is thinking but no one would say.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

What everyone is thinking but no one would say.

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Reminds me of "The Hills Have Eyes" - in particular, the opening scene from the sequel