Walking Dead (could have spoilers)

IT...WAS...AWESOME!!!!!!! I didn't expect them to find survivors and definitely didn't expect what happened to Hershal.

The episode was great, but one thing that I noticed is that they enjoyed killing the zombies way too much. Most of them were all smiles as they did and it kind of showed a mental shift in the group, which was quite cool.

My one gripe with the show is that they always have ammo, like an infinite amount. I doubt Hershel would have been stocked up on Python ammo, sniper ammo, etc... and even with the bag from the police station, they would not have enough for target practice, shooting the ones at the farm and clearing the prison yard.

I guess, it's just the suspension of reality I have to make.

The makeup was amazing, but damn these characters are one dimensional. There is zero suspension of disbelief, no nuance, everything feels too...purposeful. It's akin to taking a Sunday stroll but driving in a straight line the entire time and the characters are just not likable.

This is the whole issue I have with the majority of zombie movies, especially ones that are Romero inspired - the characters are frankly all assholes and you never really care whether any of them live or die. Shane? Good Lord, I can't even watch reruns of TWD because of Shane. Hershel? Complete a-hole. Rick? Ugh. Even his son gets on my nerves.

It's such a shame, as zombies are by far my favorite monsters. Humans have an inherent fear of death and the thought that you would die but be forced to walk around eating people is completely terrifying, which is what makes zombies an effective tool of horror movies, but like any movie or show, it should still be character driven, with characters that are flawed, but relatable.

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Originally Posted by Wicked Sid

The episode was great, but one thing that I noticed is that they enjoyed killing the zombies way too much. Most of them were all smiles as they did and it kind of showed a mental shift in the group, which was quite cool.

My one gripe with the show is that they always have ammo, like an infinite amount. I doubt Hershel would have been stocked up on Python ammo, sniper ammo, etc... and even with the bag from the police station, they would not have enough for target practice, shooting the ones at the farm and clearing the prison yard.

I guess, it's just the suspension of reality I have to make.

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I def. Have to agree with this. They did at least attempt to say they were running low on ammo....and had them go in using hand to hand only...but still....far too many "types" of guns used to have such a stockpile...oh well...was awesome none the less...this is the show we wanted....not that season two b.s.

I liked that they are starting to act like intelligent human beings finally, but there're still sporadic bouts of idiocy that make me want to punch a puppy.

Good ideas the group had:
1) One person takes leadership
2) Absolute silence when raiding the house
3) Take the prison
4) Use the fence for their benefit
5) Although I'm a bit etchy about this one: Loot the zombie swat dudes

Bad ideas or stupidity the group had:
1) Giving Carol the rifle instead of a better shot
2) Taking so long to realize that the swat zombies had no neck protection and that the face-shields could be turned up
3) Not scouting the prison when they went to look for the medical ward et all
4) Not making sure the territory they were passing through was secured
5) This ties into the previous one, but is worth mentioning on its own IMHO: Not making sure all the dead bodies were actually dead

I'm sure there're more, but those're the ones that pop into mind right now

Also:

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

I def. Have to agree with this. They did at least attempt to say they were running low on ammo....and had them go in using hand to hand only...but still....far too many "types" of guns used to have such a stockpile...oh well...was awesome none the less...this is the show we wanted....not that season two b.s.

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you've gotta think though, where did they get all of those weapons that they didn't have earlier? wherever it was they would have prolly found ammo to go with the gun. there was also a police station in town when they were on the farm and since they were mostly using police issue, they would have been able to find ammo there.

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Originally Posted by Luna Guardian

I liked that they are starting to act like intelligent human beings finally, but there're still sporadic bouts of idiocy that make me want to punch a puppy.

Good ideas the group had:
1) One person takes leadership
2) Absolute silence when raiding the house
3) Take the prison
4) Use the fence for their benefit
5) Although I'm a bit etchy about this one: Loot the zombie swat dudes

Bad ideas or stupidity the group had:
1) Giving Carol the rifle instead of a better shot
2) Taking so long to realize that the swat zombies had no neck protection and that the face-shields could be turned up
3) Not scouting the prison when they went to look for the medical ward et all
4) Not making sure the territory they were passing through was secured
5) This ties into the previous one, but is worth mentioning on its own IMHO: Not making sure all the dead bodies were actually dead

I'm sure there're more, but those're the ones that pop into mind right now

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here's how i looked at it, wit hregards to your complaints:

1. the better shots had better rifles: hershel had a M4 with some kind of closed sight, maybe an ACOG, maybe a closed red dot, regardless, better that the AK74U with folding stock.
2. no real good reason. i agree, but here's something that i'll throw out there as a possibility: they were rattled. when you get rattled, you fail to see the openings.
3. they were scouting the way to the medical ward. that's what they were doing when they left the block. they were checking out the path to the medical ward, and trying to secure the prison, but mostly trying to secure the path and expanding from there.
4. see the above. they were trying to secure the prison piece by piece. as long as they can secure what they clear that's a really good idea, but then they got overrun.
5. i chalk that up to a fatal lapse in judgement. no excuse, hershel just dropped the ball, as we are all apt to do.

Nobody would drop the ball when it came to a zombie sitting on the floor. I would even put two rounds in a decapitated zombie.

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Originally Posted by Deacon_Tyler

Nobody would drop the ball when it came to a zombie sitting on the floor. I would even put two rounds in a decapitated zombie.

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I kind of agree with you, although I wouldn't go so far as to put two bullets in decapitated zombies. But I do think it was lame that Hershel was so distracted with finding Glenn and Maggie that he let himself get bit. Now I'm very curious to see if he'll bleed out, die of infection, or survive his amputation.

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Originally Posted by Deacon_Tyler

Nobody would drop the ball when it came to a zombie sitting on the floor. I would even put two rounds in a decapitated zombie.

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you could say the same thing about soldiers clearing a building, but on more than one occasion fatigued and battle weary soldiers have been shot in the back by enemies who are playing dead. not only that, hershel is old, his wits may be sharp, but not nearly as sharp as they had once been. balls drop all the time, in fact, i dropped two back when i was 12.

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

I kind of agree with you, although I wouldn't go so far as to put two bullets in decapitated zombies. But I do think it was lame that Hershel was so distracted with finding Glenn and Maggie that he let himself get bit. Now I'm very curious to see if he'll bleed out, die of infection, or survive his amputation.

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think two, maggie is one of two surviving daughters, out of a family of at least five, more when you count the extended family and close friends that were on the farm before the crew arrived. what would you do when looking for your daughter in the middle of a zombie infested prison? how steady and observant would you be? can you garuntee that no matter what happened you'd keep a level head? plus she was running around with that asian boy, what's a father to do? ;)

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Originally Posted by reaper239

balls drop all the time, in fact, i dropped two back when i was 12.

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*badum pish*

Now, as for the better shots having better rifles, that would make perfect sense if the situation was dire enough. However, as it was shown, Carol almost shot Rick, and her contribution was arguable. She would have been of safer use at the fence, stabbing eyes out plus it would have conserved ammo.

As for the scouting the way to the medical ward, there wasn't really any much better ways to do it than they did, I admit that. However, they went in too fast and too light. Granted, the swat gear gave them some additional protection, but considering the actual swat members were killed and they were in much heavier gear, that shouldn't have given them such a sense of invulnerability. I will grant that they were scouting, but I maintain that they did it in a really retarded way. Did any of them even have guns with them?

Now for securing territory, that they simply failed to do. They were overrun, yes, but from every direction, including from the rear. Again, guns might have been helpful to break through the first wave so they could have retreated back to their strongpoint.

Granted, they're not soldiers trained in urban warfare, but some things should be just common sense

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Originally Posted by Luna Guardian

*badum pish*

Now, as for the better shots having better rifles, that would make perfect sense if the situation was dire enough. However, as it was shown, Carol almost shot Rick, and her contribution was arguable. She would have been of safer use at the fence, stabbing eyes out plus it would have conserved ammo.

As for the scouting the way to the medical ward, there wasn't really any much better ways to do it than they did, I admit that. However, they went in too fast and too light. Granted, the swat gear gave them some additional protection, but considering the actual swat members were killed and they were in much heavier gear, that shouldn't have given them such a sense of invulnerability. I will grant that they were scouting, but I maintain that they did it in a really retarded way. Did any of them even have guns with them?

Now for securing territory, that they simply failed to do. They were overrun, yes, but from every direction, including from the rear. Again, guns might have been helpful to break through the first wave so they could have retreated back to their strongpoint.

Granted, they're not soldiers trained in urban warfare, but some things should be just common sense

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the same argument could probably have been made of carl, but he was in the tower as well.we don't really know how good a shot the others are at this point since we haven't actually seen any of them shoot in this season. even in previous seasons, the men did almost all the shooting, and we never saw glen engage targets at any kind of real range. it might also come to the physical strength of stabbing a wlker versus firing a rifle. i'm not saying your wrong, just playing devils advocate.

regarding scouting, no argument that they did it poorly.

the only problem that i see with the claim that they completely failed to secure the are is that there were multiple halls leading to their position. it's difficult to take down a building of that size and scope properly and safely. they failed to a point, but some of it was just poor fortune. of course that doesn't absolve them of their mistakes, the biggest one being their speed, aggression, and equipment.

here's how i would do it: my best hand to hands would take point with two with handguns in the middle and two riflemen bringing up the rear. we would take it low and slow, approach each corner with caution and lay alarms across paths we didn't take. to notify me if anything entered the hall behind us.

Here's how I would do it:
Knowing that there's a probability of zombies, make a little noise behind the door and attract ¨possible shamblers, as to avoid unpleasant surprises. Reasoning: If they're there, they're going to get to us anyways, so it's better to set up a chokepoint and a place of our choosing.

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Originally Posted by reaper239

you could say the same thing about soldiers clearing a building, but on more than one occasion fatigued and battle weary soldiers have been shot in the back by enemies who are playing dead.

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As a Soldier, I disagree. There are Rules of Engagement in battle. There are no rules that you have to abide by in TWD. EVERY corpse that I came across would have been stabbed in the head with a tire iron (or similar weapon). I can't believe that the group made a mistake like that and Herschel got bit.

That being said, remember how we saw what Shane was seeing while he turned? I want to see if One-Legged Hershel has new insight like people do when they die, "see the light," and come back to life. Did he see the light, or did he see something like Shane did?

I thought that Michonne was the one looking at Carol cutting up that walker, but the previews didn't make it look that way. I think that it's gonna be Merle!

The week to week suspense is killing me! Time to get my zombie fix on by listening to We're Alive - The Zombie Story of Survival! I listened to the first four chapters this weekend... I can't wait to see what happens in chapter 5!

The idea about the choke point is so true. It's why I liken TWDto a Sunday stroll in which you only move in a straight line - the people are so idiotic and one dimensional and unlikable that I am not sure I can even stomach this entire season.

I have trouble wrapping my brain around bringing the sole medical personal with you into a room to room sweep. The doc should not have been there

The worst part about the show

The convicts said they were locked in the cafeteria for some ridiculous amount of time like 9 or 10 months or some nonsense.....okay so they had food but

WHAT DID THEY DRINK?
HOW DID THEY SHAVE?
WHO CUT THEIR HAIR?

Even if there were answers to the latter two questions (they smuggled in a year's supply of razors in the middle of a zombie apocalypse), WHY would they bother to maintain their hairstyles?

Also, how did the Caucasians and Latin gentlemen stay so tanned?

It gets better - 1 well fed guy will produce over 300 pounds of excrement and well over 100 pounds of urine in a year's time. Multiply that by five and the cooler they were pooping in would not be big enough, plus the ammonia in all that urine in an enclosed space would kill them. Even if it didn't, it would not only bleach their prison jumpsuits, but cause them to disintegrate.

Plus, the smell....wow. Imagine how much sweat they would have produced in that amount of time - they would have looked as though they were covered in crude oil and probably filled with parasites like scabies. Plus, scurvy!

I quite literally hate myself for watching the walking dead religiously, but it is quite literally the only game in town as far as zombie tv shows :/

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Originally Posted by Deacon_Tyler

The worst part about the show

The convicts said they were locked in the cafeteria for some ridiculous amount of time like 9 or 10 months or some nonsense.....okay so they had food but

WHAT DID THEY DRINK?
HOW DID THEY SHAVE?
WHO CUT THEIR HAIR?

Even if there were answers to the latter two questions (they smuggled in a year's supply of razors in the middle of a zombie apocalypse), WHY would they bother to maintain their hairstyles?

Also, how did the Caucasians and Latin gentlemen stay so tanned?

It gets better - 1 well fed guy will produce over 300 pounds of excrement and well over 100 pounds of urine in a year's time. Multiply that by five and the cooler they were pooping in would not be big enough, plus the ammonia in all that urine in an enclosed space would kill them. Even if it didn't, it would not only bleach their prison jumpsuits, but cause them to disintegrate.

Plus, the smell....wow. Imagine how much sweat they would have produced in that amount of time - they would have looked as though they were covered in crude oil and probably filled with parasites like scabies. Plus, scurvy!

I quite literally hate myself for watching the walking dead religiously, but it is quite literally the only game in town as far as zombie tv shows :/

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You think those issues are bad? Then answer me this, who cuts everyone's grass in the zombie apocalypse?

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Originally Posted by Luna Guardian

You think those issues are bad? Then answer me this, who cuts everyone's grass in the zombie apocalypse?

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Best. Quote. EVER.

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Originally Posted by Deacon_Tyler

The worst part about the show

The convicts said they were locked in the cafeteria for some ridiculous amount of time like 9 or 10 months or some nonsense.....okay so they had food but

WHAT DID THEY DRINK? bottled water
HOW DID THEY SHAVE? a knife or sharp metal
WHO CUT THEIR HAIR? they cut their own hair, or didn't in some cases

Even if there were answers to the latter two questions (they smuggled in a year's supply of razors in the middle of a zombie apocalypse), WHY would they bother to maintain their hairstyles? habit, and short hair is useful in most situations. a knife can be sharpened to a razors edge fairly quickly, and using only rudimentary tools. long hair may be a result of a lack of maintenance

Also, how did the Caucasians and Latin gentlemen stay so tanned? the latino gentleman is naturally tan, that's why he's latino. and i know some white guys who don't spend a lot of time outside, but the have really dark skin pigment

It gets better - 1 well fed guy will produce over 300 pounds of excrement and well over 100 pounds of urine in a year's time. Multiply that by five and the cooler they were pooping in would not be big enough, plus the ammonia in all that urine in an enclosed space would kill them. Even if it didn't, it would not only bleach their prison jumpsuits, but cause them to disintegrate. remember when rick opened the freezer? a prison freezer has to be large enough to acommodate several days worth of food for several thousand inmates. latrine. also, there were bars on the windows, but the windows weren't sealed. excrement could be thrown outside.

Plus, the smell....wow. Imagine how much sweat they would have produced in that amount of time - they would have looked as though they were covered in crude oil and probably filled with parasites like scabies. Plus, scurvy! prisons keep large ammounts a water on hand for emergencies, plus there would be cleaners in there. as far as scurvy or scabies, there are ways to get around that.

I quite literally hate myself for watching the walking dead religiously, but it is quite literally the only game in town as far as zombie tv shows :/

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i'm too lazy to seperate them, so my responses are in blue

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Originally Posted by Luna Guardian

You think those issues are bad? Then answer me this, who cuts everyone's grass in the zombie apocalypse?

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the mad gardener who only wants to cut grass.

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Originally Posted by reaper239

i'm too lazy to seperate them, so my responses are in blue

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A year's worth of bottled water in a budget conscious prison? I'm dubious. I could *almost* believe some sort of gravity fed well tap (and I'm making that term up).
As for shaving with kitchen knives for a year - no, just no.
I'm biracial, but have the complexion of a latino and there is a marked difference between natural pigment and tanned, The latter of which appears more of a reddish hue. The Caucasian man was very clearly tanned.

I will bite on your explanation of throwing excrement out the windows - very plausible.

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Originally Posted by Luna Guardian

You think those issues are bad? Then answer me this, who cuts everyone's grass in the zombie apocalypse?

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You didn't see the herd of zombie sheep?

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Originally Posted by Luna Guardian

You think those issues are bad? Then answer me this, who cuts everyone's grass in the zombie apocalypse?

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I have never fucking thought of this. Goddammit, man, now I can't stop.

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Originally Posted by Blood & Ice Cream

Image was here.

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Jesus, this is one of the best images I've seen on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch

You didn't see the herd of zombie sheep?

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Must've missed it, I'll look for it when it comes baaaah-ck

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Originally Posted by Luna Guardian

Must've missed it, I'll look for it when it comes baaaah-ck

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no! bad luna, bad!

Oh come on, it was punny! And I think you meant to say "Baaah-d Luna"

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Originally Posted by Blood & Ice Cream

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here's something i just thought of, look at all those zombies milling around. and now a question: how does the grass grow? by the inch. how does it die? by the foot, STAY OFF MY GRASS!!! here's another one: what makes the grass grow? blood makes the grass grow. what makes the blood flow? the bayonet makes the blood flow. the moral of the story: if you want healthy grass, get a bayonet.

But going by that, you'd need to bayonet someone who's not on your grass, bleed them, and carry the blood to the grass. A whole lot of work if you ask me, especially when there's obviously a league of deranged and crazy gardeners taking care of everyone's grass anyways

But shouldn't zombie sheep be eating other sheep? Me wearing wool shouldn't make a difference.

EXCEPT that by wearing wool, they, in their thought-impaired zombie-sheep-brain state, would MISTAKE me for a SHEEP! Oh the wool-manity!

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Originally Posted by Luna Guardian

But shouldn't zombie sheep be eating other sheep? Me wearing wool shouldn't make a difference.

EXCEPT that by wearing wool, they, in their thought-impaired zombie-sheep-brain state, would MISTAKE me for a SHEEP! Oh the wool-manity!

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Goofy dork :)

Wow, they have a one black guy per group limit in the walking dead.

finally.


alls im sayin....

The witch is dead?

Carl's going to grow up being one deranged man... I'm thinking that Rick's too screwed in the head now and I hope that Glenn and Maggie are going to take care of the new edition. Andrea better not drink the Kool Aid next week! Michonne needs to stop letting her BS and take the reins again.

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

Wow, they have a one black guy per group limit in the walking dead.

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hey, that's progress, 15 years ago they would have had one new black guy per episode, and each one would have died at the beginning of the episode.