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Yeah, me too... "Me and Peggy goes together like peas and carrots!"Quote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
I honestly just hope that the hooded man was a maller. I just want to see the story progress in some way or form for Victor and Saul. As it is they're kinda running in place. They're goal is to find the mallers, if this guy was it, then goal solved. I agree with goods, the mallers drag saul off, and Victor follows them to their new base to pull of a rescue.
But my bigger question is with Saul's plan. Trigger the alert and follow the mallers? Just follow them? Can it really be so easy in a post apocalyptic world? You'd have to stay out of sight, and out of hearing distance so that the engine wouldnt be heard, so that's a good distance back. How would you follow them when there's so much distance between the two cars?
I also like the theory about the hooded man being a survivor from the second tower. That would be cool and it would progress the story in that direction. All I know is Saul annoys me because he's impatient and only cares about finding lizzy. I want them together again asap, so he goes back to normal.
Either way, I'd really like to hear from the mallers, because from everything we know, it seems angel, burt and lizzy are still with them.
I do believe the hoodie person is not a maller; it could go either way for me if it's a girl, or a less than average height man.
Man, I got nothing to add to this one... everyone has already hit all the points I thought of. Even the whole Demolition Man-underground-folks theory.
Aw! I like this forum and the ideas behind the chapters. I've never read one of these after listening to an episode.
1. I totally agree it's not a Maller, I don't believe it's an underground group only because I've never really heard of major subways in Cali but hey I'm a Florida guy so I could be wrong.
2. Why do the Mallers want the girl and to keep her alive? I listen to the pod while working so sometimes I think I might miss parts but was it established why they want her alive? Why after all this time would she still be alive?
3. Datu, am I the only one who hates him? I seriously want him to stop acting like a sad sack or a "Look at me I'm hurt too" really sappy character. I never minded him till what happened at the arena where his girlie died but since then I've wanted him to die and not a heroes death more of a slipped in the bathtub or died "off camera" type death. Hopefully he stops with the negative talk sometime soon. There's just something about whiny characters that get me that's why I can't watch shows with angsty teens.
Great show can't wait for the next one.
I've got this feeling that the Hoodie character is a female and is CJ the tactician from the other tower. Not sure why, but when I was listening, that's what popped up in my brain.
Also, boo for leaving behind Zombie Scissor Kity... BOO I SAY!
Why keep Lizzy alive? Lots. Many for plot options, but to para-quote Saul in chapter 1... We've got to start repopulating, right? Mallers are from a male prison. To each their own, but many will be much more interested in hottie-Lizzy than FuzzyFaceLifer from the cell five gates down.
Repop needs m + f
For fun as long as both are willing, just keep it behind closed doors and not loud enough to frighten my horses
Great theories in this thread!!
Next monday can't come round fast enough!!
The hooded figure is Skittles. You heard me.. S.K.I.T.T.L.E.S!! That cat has serious survival skills. I don't think it's beyond his character's growth arch. There's a reason he's been able to hang solo for so long. He did have a weapon the last time we saw him, so that lines up as well.
He's been gone too long and why have him in the story at all if he's not going to play some part in it? Hell, he may even have more intel for Saul and Vic.
Speaking of those two.. F'n Blind leading the blind. Saul is my boy (don't have Ra1th/Angel level mancrush though) and he reminds me of my roomate from my first assignment.. Smart as hell, but Fly by the Pants as you can get and hard headed as hell! Saul has one mission and his biopic approach isn't smart at all. He just wants to be with Lizzie. It doesn't matter if they both die, just as long as he's there.
Victor.. "what,why,how?" that's all we hear from him. Someone said he was a scout.. he wasn't. Vic was set up at a Listening/Observation Post to report movement back to the main area.
I'm also going to take a swing at the lack of brass at the tower.. It make sense to police the brass when you have limited resources. It can be used for reloading. I've been saying this for a year now, Durai is like Shaft! That cat is just too good. He's been ahead of the game since day one. So, ensuring his troops are hip to the logistical nightmares makes complete sense.
"Listen up dumbasses... this isn't some John Woo flick. We will run out of ammunition eventually. Pick up your brass when and if you can, and we'll slow that tide."
Hi everyone,
Long time listener, first time poster
I think it will be great if they introduce a new group..perhaps some link to the pumping station (perhaps Micheal has information, why hasn't he explained how he got out of there). Or the ones who left CJ's group after the convoy...or perhaps Marcus's no.2 wasn't killed and now he's found other survivors.
Just wanted to go back to a Raven post from page 2 about Sauls Picc Line. Given the bizarre way of giving him animal antibiotics, Saul should be on Antibiotics for about 7days. There are a whole bunch of problems with A) having the knowledge to place a Picc line properly (it sits just north of the heart...if it's to deep it will cause serious issues) b) having the equipment. C) giving concentrated Antibiotic can be damaging to vessels. D) that it's the right antibiotic for that infection ...
I am willing to assume Sauls mom has the technique from being a Vet, and she got lucky with the ABx
But Saul is out there jumping around in the dirt and almost had his Picc fall out he should be still suffering from his infection (fatigue, fevers, low appetite, malaise). But I think the story must go on instead of getting bogged down in details ( I'm just getting all preachy bout it)
As for the Z's coming back to harvest the dead...maybe the big dust cloud affected the sense of smell.
And yes LA does have a subway...according to google...there's a map out there if anyone is smart enough to layer them
Man, I forgot to comment on two things:
The Barracks smell(we have Dorms in the AF... we're special like that). Yah, from what I remember from my time at Ft. Dix.. they do have a distinct smell. Like washed ass, your sleeping grandfather, hot boots and floor cleaner.
The bodies being picked up: Not a new development. They've been collecting their dead since the first encounter
Since subways have been confirmed. I wouldn't recommend using them as ways of getting around underground since its a "breeding" ground for Z's. If they are low on food, eating the mice that are always there might be beneficial to them. We have to assume sewers are okay to travel and easier to booby-trap in case there are Z's coming your way. I only mention not subways because of this flick I saw, "Stag Night". It is possible to have a "rogue" group of Z's lying about somewhere in the city...
I do like the theory that if the Z's were smarter and more organized they would use the sewers and subway lines to get the jump on humans by using the behemoths to force them into an area where there are man holes to come out of. Just an Idea...
we talked about those a few months back. Dumbest idea of dumbe ideas... and just plain suicidal. Dark, full of corners, lack of places to exit quickly, poor footing, really bad place to fire a weapon... the list goes on and on..
the brass...
Ammo will run out and brass can be reloaded as Crowbar says. But, with what? Ammo is more common than smokeless powder and lead. Old black powder could be made, but is a lot harder than it looks. It is not just add some charcoal to some saltpetre and some sulfer pour in into a piece of bamboo and knock the Gorn on his ass.
The part that most forget is grain size. The finer the grind the better the burn. So as a scavenger I might like some for noise or light flash makers not as a mass driver. Even empty they ca be usefull. There are a lot of things that go bump in the night, but hollow brass on hollow brass or on a hard surface is as good as any windchime and very distinctive. The flashbang trap is a dead giveaway, but scattering brass, empty bottles or cans or whatever may not actually alert the intruder. It is more likely that these are refuse from the outbreak as it is a communication device.
Going back to Subway vs. water pipes. The subway will have many more walking dead than the water-ways. But, a case could be made that it could be cleared and relatively secure with limited access points. But, another advantage of the sewers is "hmmm.... It has not rained in more than a week. Where is that water running off from? It could provide information on a waterspring and it will also alert me to survivors trying to hold onto the past. All of Tower's used water had to go somewhere...
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Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
The only thing about clearing the sewers.. you'd have to do it over and over and over again every time you went down, unless you had patrols set up and they do't have the manpower. "That's like clearing the Nile of Crocs....and saying "it's ok to go swimming. we cleared this part yesterday."
An LP/OP is a scout. Small team, forward of an element, if compromised they break contact to a larger force. That's a scout. My point was he's ill prepared and acting like he's never been out in a small team before, which we know is false. Regardless of if he was stationed at a hardstand location or out on recon patrols he knows better than to not have food and water. He's right under Datu as my least favorite person right now.
Okay, can it be confirmed either way if Saul and Victor saw one person or two? I know Saul says he a lot, singular, but then Saul and Victor also switch between saying they which can be plural or used kinda slangy to refer to someone of unknown sex or numbers.
It sounds like Victor and Saul see only the one person dressed in a black hoodie, hiking boots, etc, but my buddy is convinced they saw two people inspecting the gate.
I will accept that it is not a sure thing, but a more apt destription would be we cleared this tributary and the dam is in place. Or shark nets at a beach.
Oh, and if you did nto get it, my earlier joke
The 17s were an LA gang in Ex-Heroes and Boyle Heights Boys were in World War Z.
I bet Hoodie is Britt. She's finally going to get her role in WA. She and Pete have been setting up these secret orchards that he keeps fed with his endless supply of water. They have a bad ass lair in the sewers with it's own power supply and copies of various Zelda games for each console generation. She spares Sauls life because he has a DS that happens to have a copy of Spirit Tracks in it.
Mystery of the Hoodie solved!
Yes, Saul has been pretty good at sacrificing the safety of others to satisfy his own wants. In season 1 he persuades Lizzy and Burt to drive to his apartment to rescue his "girl" Lady, who turns out to be a bitch. In season 2, he single-handedly (and successfully) jeopardizes the entire Tower with his hair-brain "Peg-less swap" at the golf course...to, once again, save his bitch...this time Lizzy. Now we begin season 3, with him acting like a bitch, with Vicky. Hopefully a hoodied Britt won't take him out with a headshot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe
What till we find out Mr. Hoodie is a Ms. Hoodie. Saul will be somebody's bitch, for sure.
Maybe the hoodie is Burt? They did mention the holster. Maybe Burt somehow got away or is now 'working' with the mallers. Far-fetched I know.
They only see one person and only one person confronts Saul, the way Saul explained it can easily be confused as two people confronting him though. But what really caught my ear is that he noticed the person out of the corner of his eye and then miraculously he falls backwards. What the heck could have done that? Maybe they had a trap set to close around his feet and pull him out from under himself?Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
the way i took the scene description...hoodie person swept his legs out from under him with the baton. he/she was hiding under a car..perfect position for a leg sweep attackQuote:
Originally Posted by VidjaGamez
Only Steve Jobs would have had the vision to create the garden. Just sayin'.
It was an attack from the Cobra Kai Karate Dojo!Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
LoL!!!!!
Great now I have No more kings in my head ....thanks A LOT
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Originally Posted by looney
I see what you're saying, but Vic and his buddy were in static posts. They didn't venture outside of that post. It wasn't a very aggressive position. Sit and report vs "scout" the land like Recon.
He may be a piss poor planner if the logistical provisions were set ahead of the rotations... I dunno.
dude, i said the same thing like, forever ago (ok, seems like forever) and everyone said i was crazy :tinfoil: i said that if i were michael i would tell everyone to make sure to police their brass when possible and everyone was all like, "oh, you're gonna have people pick up casings when the zombies are coming?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! that's rediculous, you're rediculous, that'd never work, that's silly." well booyah. i said it months ago that it was a good idea, and that burt would have the skill set to reload, and now we have someone else saying that's it's not only wise, but practical. :p :nyanr::nyanr::nyanr::nyan:Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
vic wasn't in the military was he? and we all know that senior shot-in-the-bed (the former leader of the colony, i can't remember his name) wasn't actually in the military. the military teaches from centuries of experience through history, so at some point, someone figured out that scouts needed to have an adequate emergency food supply, and made a note to tell that to future scouts. anyone who has neither studied military history, nor had the benefit of military training runs a serious risk of not knowing that. plus when you've got a whole camp following some jackass who's faking it harder than a politician (poli is latin for many, ticks are blood sucking insects, politics: many blood sucking insects), you run into some problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
That convo about the brass was during the Pippen murder. There was no brass then and I was saying that a killer isn't going to have the time to police his/her brass in a room and after an assassination. I also think we went on about needing the proper equipment.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
Burt may have had such stuff at his spot, but I'm going out on a limb and will say that "that stuff was jacked too" during the Mallers sweeps.
They have the manpower to and probably a few trained people to do it.
oh yeah, i think that was the problem. either way, i'm NOT CRAZY! :mad::tinfoil:Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
Let's not be too hard on Victor. He flees the colony at night and arrives at the tower the next morning. A little more than 24 hours later he drives Pegs to the JGG. He cleans the inside of the chopper and stands post for a couple of hours as they get to the secon' choppa. An hour after that he is in the hummer with the crew to save lizzy. Comes back to the tower in the heat of the engagement. The tower collapses and he retreats with Saul.
Not a lot of time to resupply.
At some point Victor says he was recon for the colony. But it is unclear if it was a listening post or patrol
btw, the title has been bugging me, not knowing who overcomes, but i think i figured it out:
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and just so you know, if you mess with me
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It isn't a matter of training or military experience. It's a matter of common sense. If I know I'm away from my unit for any period of time, I will have food for myself for more than the time I'm expected to be away. Sure, my experience level helps me decide the most effective way to carry that food and how to get the most of out the least amount, but he should be able to figure out to bring some food. Anyone who has been deployed can tell you complacency kills. I understand that it was a whirlwind of action for him from leaving the colony to where they're at now, but the dude can't think ahead. He seems like he's always asking questions and never really has any ideas.
Here's my problem with picking up brass to reload. If it's military, it's much harder to reload with civilian equipment. Even if it's not, it's still a time consuming process. I get being short on ammo, but there are better options than trying to set up a reloading station, making sure your loads are reliable and somewhat accurate, and taking the time to reload. You're less likely to find more powder, primers, and bullets than you are boxes of ammo. I'd say they policed up their brass to hide caliber/numbers more than to reload.
i don't know about it being a matter of common sense, until i started reading on military history and what-not, it had never really crossed my mind. now that i am switching my mentality to a preparedness mindset and since i've started reading on military tactics it has occured to me and i've begun taking steps to ensure that i'm prepared for almost any eventuality, but before that, i hadn't considered it. ignorance is bliss after all.
regarding reloading, i disagree a little. i'll give you that reloading isn't easy, and that it's time consuming, but when people buy reloading materials they usually buy in bulk so if you could find the right supplies you could potentially have a lot to work with. if they're using common calibers that makes it even easier. plus, do you really think that scratch's band of mallers would have the presence of mind to want to pick up their brass for strategic reasons? also, the only people they were really worried about are gone: those in the tower would be presumed dead, while those in da choppa would be presumed to not be coming back. one more thing, they were on their way out of the area, they were leaving that part of town, so with the tower gone this poses two questions: who are they hiding their numbers from, and why hide them when that area's no longer your concern? if anything, i'd spread the brass out and make it look like there were more of us. the only reason i can see for collecting the brass is to pad their ammo count. would you rather spend a few hours reloading all the brass you shot or would you rather go out short?
But with victor, the last chance he had to resupply was at the tower before leaving to the air port with pegs. After that he was on the assault team at the peg-less swap, and immediately after that, he was back at the tower with the hummer and defending against the mallers. So the whole time, he was depending on the hummer. I'm sure he had supplies , but it was all probably in the hummer. So when that got taken out the way it did, it's more than likely that all he was able to grab was his rifle, leaving the food and supplies behind because he was in the middle of a warzone?Quote:
Originally Posted by looney
they went back to the hummer. if his supplies were kept in a backpack it would be likely that that would be intact. plus, saul was able to maintain positive control on his supplies. also, the way they were talking was as if victor didn't pack anything, you know the whole "piss poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine."
I don't think it's so much that the mallers are picking up the brass but that maybe the zombies are. I don't see the mallers setting up a re-loading operation unless they found a huge ammount of primers and powder and I can't see them burning the calories to hide what type and caliber rounds they are firing, what's the benifit to them in the long run? I think that this might be a yet-to-be-released plot point in the story... or just a way for KC to say "Shits been stripped bare"Quote:
Originally Posted by looney
Don't read too much into the smell thing... Barraks on a good day smell like a gym and on a bad day (when we all get back from the field) they smell like feet ass and mildew. I got to go back and listen again but the whole thing sounded like a defenseive perimiter (the guns and towers were pointing out not in).Quote:
Originally Posted by litmaster
And the orders to stay in the barraks seem legit as well, you don't want some guys that just got there wandering around like they own the place, and lets face it Mike was being a dick to Puck.
I of course am being a little biased, I want Irwin to be the safe haven it seems (maybe with a little drama with the COL. who we have yet to meet) and not be like how the military is treated in alot of the zombie movies and books, either incompetent or blood thirsty murderers and rapists.