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You are entitled to your opinion, but as everyone who posts on this forum eventually learns, opinions can be wrong, especially with KC at the helm. =P Trust me, I've been wrong about a couple of things already, but I have gotten some stuff right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gefroan
Also, do have definitive proof that it wasn't Kelly?
yay Riley's not guily!
Yep, sounds like she might be clear since Hope didn't smell any alcohol. Although, even though I haven't had a gun pointed at me (thank god =P), Hope might have been under a lot of stress which could have caused her senses to shut down or for her to get confused/ignore certain things. I mean people have gone temporarily blind because of stressful situations (a la Band of Brothers - Blithe), which could also have been the cause of Hope's blindness...or it could have been the glass window and the couple stories she feel down from...OH WELL!Quote:
Originally Posted by ilanagl
actually i hated it. I knew who the pilot would be from the start, but it woulda been nice if it came as a surpriseQuote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I'm also wondering if Riley didn't splash herself with a little booze after the shooting to throw suspicion off herself. As much as I don't want Riley to be the traitor, the evidence does seem to be mounting:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn1ckerb0cker33
(1) She met Michael and Angel in the stairway, and could have been fleeing the scene.
(2) Of all the suspects without alibis, she had the best opportunity to steal the silenced pistol (during the Lizzie rescue mission)
(3) Unlike Victor, who I seriously doubt is the shooter, she's been there the whole time so could have been the original rat.
Kelly is still a possibility, and my original choice for the rat, but Riley is moving up my suspect list quickly.
Good catch with the alcohol splashing HardKor. I still doubt that Riley would be the traitor, unless she has some hidden past that hasn't been revealed yet (being in prison, getting hired as a chef after getting out since prisoners do get training in that field). I'm with you that Kelly is probably the traitor or I should say former traitor at this point since losing Tommy might have made her do a 180.Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
I am liking the thought of shooter but not traitor(Reilly)
Although I have no evidence to prove this, but I think that Riley and Scratch have/had a relationship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn1ckerb0cker33
I have imagined scratch and I can't help but think that would be hot, but I doubt highly.
You just disagree because it's like rule #10 of the forum that you and I aren't allowed to agree on anything. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
I'm ok with this being a known quantity vs. The rat. If we all knew for a fact who the rat was and we were just waiting for the tower to figure it out it could be a really painful thing to listen through. If it was obvious who the rat was and Kc was still trying to keep it a secret it would become annoying. That's obviously not the case, nor do I think Kc would have painted himself into that corner because he's a ridiculously talented storyteller.
This is minor enough that I'm ok having figured it out since "over the airwaves."
I love you voodoo XD
Killing hope would have served no purpose, so there is that. The Rat could be Kelly, but thats not likely because Pippin and her were chatting it up for six hours. Kalani, thank Kc, is still a small possibility for rat-atude; he could have cut the wire, killed Pippin then gone down to the truck with Datu, but as I said not likely. Victor should have been ruled out simply because of his cologne problem. Lewis could be the rat. Oh, and for all those who say we know nothing about Kalani: we do, he is a pilot from Hawaii that has killed TWO behemoths and was at the other tower. I use to not believe his story too, but this episode has shown that he knows his stuff.
6:20 - 6:26/21:19 [Angel] - "Datu says he and Kalani were together the whole time they left before anything happened."Quote:
Originally Posted by NJHellfire
That might cut out any possibility of Kalani being the assassin (but as you said before, it's probably not him.)
I find it odd that after being questioned about smelling alcohol that Hope didn't mention anything about smelling cologne which means that she either didn't smell cologne or she can't remember because of the stressful situation. Drugging Hope however doesn't seem like the best idea at this time though since she is now a sitting duck and the assassin still has the silenced pistol.
Also the Steven theory seems to be falling through (at least being the assassin) since he wasn't mentioned at all and everyone else who wasn't mentioned had alibis.
Listening to episode again, they now have digital copies of their journals or at least that's their intention. I don't think they should throw them away, who knows if those files might become corrupt or if they can't find a computer or power for that matter. Having both hard copies and digital copies would be the best bet to document their story/progress.
However, since they do have digital copies, maybe Michael survived and is writing a book about their story in a post-"zombie" world entitled "We're Alive". Just an idea XD.
5:23 - 5:26/21:19 [Michael] - "She couldn't have seen who did it!"
5:44/21:19 Kelly comes into the conversation right?
Are they just keeping the journals on hard drives?they aren't very stable
Maybe. Any digital copy, even flash drives can be corrupt from time to time so if I were them I wouldn't put my eggs in one basket. I'd keep the hard copies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
Kalani was talking to Michael a short time before the alarm went off, he also had to have passed by the guard room (or at least the floor it was on) before leaving. He didn't have to run far for this to work, but this episode has shown that Kalani does know his helicopters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn1ckerb0cker33
I went back and re-listened. I thought it was Kelly the first time around, not so much this time. She has an alibi during the party. Considering she was the one that wanted to party, she was having a good time flirting on every guy, and she's the one who started to throw furniture at the Mallers, I don't see her as the rat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn1ckerb0cker33
2:11-3:56/21:19 (Time from which Kalani leaves the room to when the Alarm sounds [1 minute, 45 seconds])Quote:
Originally Posted by NJHellfire
Hmm, I have my doubts about Kalani being fast enough to do this, remember he is Chubs McGee (he's fat). Also Datu doesn't seem the type to lie about Kalani being with him the whole time before the alarm sounded. I don't see a motive for either two to assassinate Pippin or to be the rat as it is in their best interest to keep the tower safe.
True. But it still doesn't prove she isn't the rat/former rat. Still could be someone else, but we'll have to wait to see who it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianHD
She could have had a change of heart like michael saysQuote:
Originally Posted by AdrianHD
What I'm going off from the earlier episode is that if she is the rat, she talked to them early -- BUT, I don't get why she'd call the Mallers while she was all for a day off and party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
I'm pretty confident the rat is Riley. There's a LOT of evidence towards this.
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Originally Posted by AdrianHD
Sounds interesting! Care to lay it on us? =D
I've never cared personally for the Riley as the rat theory, but here is something I just thought of. If she is the rat, perhaps her and Scratch have some kind of romantic history together?
Also, can anyone recall if Pippen has ever seen Riley before? Pippen clearly recognized his shooter, if he has had a pleasant encounter with Riley before I think that dumps the Riley as the shooter theory into the waste bin.
Also, I just want to toss something out there to the community. If the shooter is loyal to the tower why would they have shot the radio as well?
I was going to hold a few of the points since I was supposed to be on WND, but Britt hasn't gotten back to me yet. S'all good saying my points though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn1ckerb0cker33
-She was rejected from Lizzy just before the Tower had their meeting with Scratch and Latch. She was also tipsy/drunk while they were talking. I feel like this could've given her a sense of betrayal.
-She has her shop stolen from during the tattoo'd zombie invasion. I think this fueled more distrust.
-She didn't say a thing during the vote for a day off.
-Angel has to go and "find" her during the party. She only appeared pre-party to set up.
-While Angel picked Riley to help get the water from the firetruck, he brings up "trust." This is peculiar since minutes before, Bill was thought to be the rat by the group. Seems like a foreshadowing to Riley being the rat.
Riley's been "drunk" on the roof since coming back from the attempt to rescue Lizzie, or at least she's implied to have been. So I doubt she had any interaction with Pippin.Quote:
Originally Posted by wh33t
As for shooting the radio, red herring maybe? Riley was fairly insistent about there being another radio. So if the shooter is loyal to the Tower and knew there was another radio, then shooting the radio looks suspicious but doesn't do much real harm to the Tower.
yes... a huge Jersey Cow for me! I called Jolly Green Giant... I'm going geeky and saying "w00t!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeyd2tall
But depending on when Datu got the message he might not have remembered what they were doing at that exact time. If he was in the garage then he probably didn't even hear the alarm. Also, I don't even think Kalani would have had time to get down 5 flights of stairs in 1 minute and 45 secs, let alone both of them having got in the car and left the building. (If the time line ends up being solid, ie not other time elapsed from when Kalani left Michael and Tanya to the alarm going off)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn1ckerb0cker33
Also Kalani was at the tower for the war, he was picked up from the Arena in Chapter 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dameon1213
So...are you saying he did or didn't do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
You'll have to explain what the term "red herring" means. Is that some kind of fabled fish?Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
I don't get the purpose of shooting the radio if you are loyal to the tower though. Even if there is another one what is the point of shooting it? It's not like Hope was gonna jump on the radio and tell Saul or Burt that some mysterious figure just shot Pippen?
Or would she? I don't think so. She can barely speak after the event happened to Michael, let alone push buttons on a radio.
Can anyone recall if Scratch and Riley have ever had an encounter? Was Riley a prominent fighter in that great battle that took place between the Tower and the Mallers?
I am saying that with how the timeline is currently, we shouldn't write Kalani off completely, 1 minute 45 is not enough for them to have left the tower. I think Datu hasn't intentionally lied, but he might not have got told the correct time, and if Kalani was there then he could have coached Datu on the times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn1ckerb0cker33
I think you have them flip-flopped. I forget, I'll check back after listening to the episodes again, but Riley was a big player in putting out the fire which required her to fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianHD
Nope. I just got done listening to the War last night. Riley herded the extra Tower members upstairs and kept an eye on Datu. I'm sure she'd be a big player on stopping the fire, I mean, why wouldn't she be? If you were a rat and you DENIED helping at that point, you'd be caught. Not to mention, we know the rat has somewhat good intentions. Otherwise Hope would be dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn1ckerb0cker33
Great episode!!! Glad Hope isn't dead. And I don't like the fact that pippin is dead, too soon. On the rat/shooter situation...I'm sooo confused!!!!! I don't think it's Riley or Kelly though. Definitely not Angel either. I particularly liked the conversation between Micheal and Tanya. Because I also find it strange that zombies are rarely making an appearance in the previous episodes. Hmmmm I wonder why??? Hopefully we'll know soon. The fact that there are many different types of zombies especially in different parts of Cali makes me wonder where on Earth they came from?? The labs?? Failed experiment??? O man I really want to know!!!! Pegs being the other pilot...I had a feeling, but I don't see why Kalani and Burt and maybe Saul (can't remember) are making such a big deal about it. Sure the weren't with her when she went to the colony but still they're acting as if though she were stupid and not capable.
Red Herring is an idiom. It is the term used to describe a diversion or tactic to throw peoples attention away from the larger issue. For instance, the radio could be a red herring to throw the Tower off the significance of Pippin's murder. Not saying that it is, just saying its a possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by wh33t
If this was a joke and I misunderstood it as a serious question: uh......I'll just go ahead and delete this message later.
Thank you Cupcake. and 1 min 45 seconds is plenty of time to cut a wire and shoot pippin. Also everybody was busy on the fifth floor and not trying to round everybody up until a while later that gives Kalani and Datu plenty of time to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
Devil's advocate... the way the steps sounded, I don't think Kalani can run that fast or sound that light with his steps.Quote:
Originally Posted by NJHellfire
I have heard some big people who are incrddible light on their feet, plus he is probaby losing weight and getting fitter cause he is eating less and doing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianHD
I am not saying it is Kalani, just that we shouldn't write him off
No, joke lol. I honestly didn't know what that meant. Thanks for clearing that up. That does make sense. The evidence against Riley is surely mounting.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
