Definitely could be. There were many threads of theories about the mental institution and Bill Roberts. :D
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Definitely could be. There were many threads of theories about the mental institution and Bill Roberts. :D
Does anyone remember in start of season 1, Lizzy was going through peoples tv's in the tower and found a recording of news station talking about a schizophrenia serial killer was sentence to jail right before the tv signail cut off.
I always thought he was the big zombie, the one at the arena or hospital. Because if I remember correctly the newsreporter before talking about the riots and signing off mention he was going to mental hospital. I always thought he has connection somehow with the zombie outbreak
This was the third time in 12 hours I have merged an identical thread regarding the TiVo/ink in chapter 2 and the pinstriped/towtm in the rest of the story. Follow the rules and look around before you post a new thread!
Lol. I noticed that. I keep seeing these threads pop up.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
So here is what I think. There is one, maybe two, "pimp ass zombies". I prefer to call them Master Zombies as it fits. They control other zombies, but don't control all of them (I also don't like the "Queen Zombie" Theory). The one on the Diner and the one that Burt recognized is the man in the pin-striped suit. Lizzy remarks seeing the man in the pin-striped suit when he ambushes the maller convoy. The colored one might be in a different faction of zombies, but that might be wrong (as this is an assumption). If the pin-striped one was using Cain General Hospital as his base and the Colored One was using the arena as his base it would make sense. Pin-stripes seems to be focused on taking out harder opponents and creating new zombs and the Colored One seems to be focused solely on feeding and enjoying a "good time".
Alright first off, I searched to see if this topic has been covered in one thread yet and didn't find anything. So If I missed it feel free to do the merge thing.
So there has been a lot of debate about whether the various sightings of "The One With The Markings"/"The Colored One"/"Ink"/"The One in the Pinstripe Suit" are all the same zombie or if there are multiple zombies fitting this basic description out there. I'm going to go ahead and stake my claim on the theory that there is, in fact, one and only one godking zombie pimp and that he is (or was), in fact, Bill Roberts aka "Ink" from the TiVo recording.
And here is my exhaustive reasoning why I think this:
From what we know about this Bill Roberts, he was a criminally insane sociopath who was sentenced to a mental health facility near time of the outbreak. We also know he was covered head to toe in a bodysuit of tattoos.
With this information in mind, let us now look at the various incidents involving "Ink" like zombies. The zombie that broke into the Tower was described as wearing a pinstripe suit and having "markings" on its skin. Bill Roberts would have been wearing a suit during the outbreak if he had just left court, and of course the "markings" could be tattoos. Its true those markings could be something else, but as we've seen this zombie more and more its looking less likely.
Aside from the pinstripe suit and the markings, we also know this zombie was shot in the hand by Burt. The zombie in Cain Mental Hospital in 23-3 was described as having a disfigured hand. He was also identified by Kalani as being the same one from the Arena, providing us with a connection between the zombie at the Arena, the one from the hospital, and the one who attacked the Tower and killed Paul.
We also know that the zombie that attacked the Tower was the same one that set up the ambush of the Maller convoy, since Lizzie recognized it as the "the man in the pinstripe suit." There was recognition in her description.
And finally to tie all of these zombie sightings back to the original "Ink," Bill Roberts: the zombie in the mental hospital had apparently built itself a homemade tattoo gun. It would make sense for Ink, a mental patient who could very well have had ties to that hospital, to retain a compulsion for tattooing considering the amount of ink he had on his body.
Whew, that was a lot of typing. OK so there's my spiel. What does everyone else think? Agree with me, or tell me that my theory is bad and that I should feel bad :p
Your turn
It wasn't until this past episode that I'm beginning to believe this theory of their being multiple Super Smarties lurking in the WA world. I'm not so sure which one is Big Boss, but this latest creature in the hospital appears to surpass the intelligence of the one that visited the Tower (or maybe it knew one of them?). There's no way to prove that of course nor do I have anything to back up the idea that they're were a psychotic cult of Frankensteins in their former life. Going back to the ant theory, some ants build satellite Colonies with it's own set of leaders. What if the Arena (now hospital) was just a satellite being run by these marked ones? Anyway that's just me pulling stuff out of thin air, but yeah, I believe there's more than one leader/talker/Super Smartie creature.
Make that 4 times in 36 hours I have merged an identical thread into this thread regarding ink, the TiVo and how many pimp ass zombies there might be.
Perhaps the title is confusing. Colored and Marked and Tattooed ones oh my isn't the first thing that people are going to search for...
On topic: all the physical appearances of this guy seem to make it appear as though there is one pimp-ass zombie. (see my previous post). The best argument for that there are multiple ones are the personalities. I think this might have been covered before, but could the scizophrenia be something to do with random personalities at different times?
I will grant that when a thread is buried 8 pages back, people are likely to miss it. Once it makes it back to the front page of the theories section, there's not much of an excuse.
Schizophrenia is not the same thing as Multiple Personality Disorder (or Dissociative Personality Disorder). Schizophrenia is marked by auditory/visual hallucinations, difficulties in communication, and "negative" emotions (meaning a basic lack in emotions as far as I can interpret). Dissociative Personality Disorder is the appearance of two or more distinct personalities. Ink was deemed a paranoid schizophrenic by the court system (which is really hard to do in America's legal system), so he must really be messed in the head.
Regardless of that, could it be that whatever caused the outbreak affected those with mental illness differently? Especially ones as messed in the head as Bill Roberts obviously was? Could be.
I am leaning towards there being only one as well, but I can see why and how there could be more than one. And when you think about it, the incident in the Tower is the lone stand out in terms of the personality differences. But only right at the end of the confrontation. Up until the point The Tattooed One turned to attack and got shot by Burt, it was pretty similar to the other encounters.
The more I think about it, the more it all fits together. We have the Colored One, who kept a stronghold of biters and food at the arena (he also like to play with his food), then we have the One in the Pin-striped Suit, who actively goes after the threats to any biters and seems to be creating or morphing biters in Cain General. I think they have two factions that don't actively go after each other.
Think of this, Skittles says that the Colored One is in the Arena. Pin-Stripes shows up at the tower and at a further west point on the map. Colored One is Tattooed from head to two (most likely). Pin-Stripes can pass for a human (i.e. the tower mistaking him for Paul). The Colored One was at the Arena when Datu and Kalani were rescued. Pin-Stripes was in the Tower when the rescue team got back from the Arena.
Two biter factions in two different locations. We need a territory map for their area. Also, I believe that Pin-Stripes came from Ground Zero and that the Colored One is Bill Roberts.
When I first listened through, I thought there was two. But when I listened a second time I noticed that the one who went to into the tower was wearing a pinstripe suit AND was covered in tattoos. Skittles describes the one in the Arena as being colored, and coming from someone who has lost his mind, surely that means the same as tattooed.
The thing that I'm not sure about with the one with the markings is why he didn't call in others to take the tower, because Kalani said that is what happened with the other tower.
Maybe there all becoming a super zombie, all eating each other, draging there zombie dead back to arena etc, and merge there bodies with live humans to become bigger and stronger?
The issue is that Pinstripes is the one that is covered from head to toe in tattoos, not the colored one by your assessment. And Skittles has changed his description to be The One With the Markings vs. the Colored One so we once again talk ourselves into a circle because nobody in the story can just use the same damn descriptive terms for this guy/guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Th3_T3ch
Way back when, I did some math to figure out how fast The Man in the Pinstriped Suit escaped the tower using the distances Michael called out, and I figured he was capable of traveling 89 miles per hour. Kc, however, shot it down saying we were getting a little crazy but the math doesn't lie....unless of course Michael is that bad at figuring distances.
If *insert your preferred name here* can actually travel that fast, he'd be capable of beating the rescue team back to the Tower after the events of Purgatory. And can you just imagine it? Some dude in a pinstripe suit doing the sickest Parkour through L.A....that'd be awesome to see :)
I think KC said shot you down because time was meant to be slowed down in that section. However, if he has some super strength and dexterity, then runnings not too much of a stretch. Also, if it can in fact run faster than the average biter, that would explain how it gets to be in so many places.
That's what I figured Kc was doing, but I wasn't accounting for the time Burt was aiming. I calculated from the time Michael called 100 meters to 300 meters which was approximately 5 seconds (11-1 10:50-11:00 to get the before and after). Its usually pretty easy to tell when Kc starts using bullet time.Quote:
Originally Posted by GD_Elite
Though, now that I just relistened and timed it more accurately using Audacity, it's actually 6.2 seconds, meaning the man escaping was traveling at 74.5 mph away from the Tower (119km/h for the rest of the world) which isn't humanly possible. But once again, it's all down to the accuracy of Michael's calls of the distance.
So here's the equation: (v=t/d): 200m/6.2s= 33.33 m/s.
As I pointed out when I first did the math, think of it this way: Usain Bolt can't even do a 100m dash in 6.2 seconds. So even if Michael's distances were off by 50 meters or so The Pinstriped Suit bro-seph was still running faster than humans are capable of (record fastest sprint is 26.7 mph from what I can find)
.....I think I owe both Mr. Shelton, and Mr. Wheton apologies. I apparently will indeed use math and physics outside of high school....
Nik and everybody else, I didn't think about this at first. What if Pin-stripes has similar traits to a jumper, meaning that he can fly across LA without needing to touch the ground more than a few times. Kc, If I'm making a crackpot theory please tell me... oh wait, you probably won't tell me considering you let me create one about Kalani ( I still think its right), but I digress. If Pin-Stripes can jump like a jumper, then he could very well make it to the Tower seconds after the rescue team shows up.
I still think that there are two different Master Zombies because the behavioral pattern of the two are completely different. Pin-Stripes uses traps and infiltrates. Colored One/ The One with the Markings collects "food" and played with it in the arena.
As far as we know, jumpers could not go that far. Sure, one jumped from building to building, but that doesn't mean he can cross LA with a couple hops. And yes they're fast, but they're as fast as cars and cars couldn't get you to destinations in seconds. Plus, I'm pretty sure it's physically impossible for a human to be that fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Th3_T3ch
The behavior pattern is what I was mentioning on WND 21. That's why I think they could be different, but if it's just the same guy it wouldn't shock me either. Everyone has different facets to their personality, stands to reason the zombies would as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Th3_T3ch
I love a good mystery!
Creem, I think what th3_t3ch was suggesting was the ability to leap across the city in multiple bounds. Even if they could only jump 50 feet laterally, it would be quicker than driving because you would avoid all the obstacles in the road.
I am well aware of the limitations of jumpers. Nik is correct in saying that I think Pin-stripes would be faster jumping than running. What we see after the rescue team gets back to the tower is that Pin-stripes can take shots to the hand, jump out of at least three-story height, and run off into the distance avoiding Burt's shots. Pin-stripes really is a Pimp ass zombie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Creem_Filling
Angel made it back to the action before "its paul" jumped out. This is either a loophole or angel was lying to skittles.Quote:
Originally Posted by GD_Elite
you can see things without being able to take note of what is happening, maybe Angle saw him jump but because of the otherthings going on his attention was not on "its paul"
I believe that the "colored one" is the guy from the tevo.. the man that they were talking about taking to the mental hospital.. because later on when Riley tries to kill the "colored one" what part of the hospital are they in? the mental part.
First things first, I am of the opinion that Roberts is TOWTM, and that there are multiple pimp asses around the States/World, but just TOWTM in LA.....
Personally, I hope that his super intellect in comparison to the regular biter is not due to his paranoid schizophrenia. If this is the case there should be quite a few more than one, as the prevalence for schizophrenia is about 1 person per 200 population, and paranoid schizophrenia is the most common sub-type.
With that in mind, one would expect there to be hundreds of them given LA's ~4 million population around when the outbreak began. There must be something much more sinister at work there.
Ok, my thoughts.
bill Roberts is the one with markings. He became a zombie when the government tried a new drug on him to cure his insanity. He turned into a zombie and began attacking people, turning them. He is more intelligent because he has the orginal drug in him. He takes people to the hospital trying to recreate what was done to him. That is why they are different from biters.
I agree. My theory about the outbreak being a drug test (whether its for warfare or just plain genetic engineering like the 28 Days Later Rage virus) ties in with this. I always thought Roberts was TOWTM, and that he's the original Nosferatu/zombie/infected. I think he got lose whilst being tested on and released whatever gas/drug was tested on him. That's what the funny air is at ground zero. Had Victor and Pegs stayed any longer they'd have turned, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie-Bane
The only thing is the news report that states there were riots in other cities, as well as internationally. Which suggest multiple outbreaks. Alien invasion? Perhaps it's an alien virus the government were testing on Roberts....I dunno....everything I think of has some hole in it somewhere.
Phew... okay so i just did my due diligence and read all 7 pages so as not to repost too horribly.
I was just introduced to this two weeks ago by a good friend of mine, so I listened to the whole thing all the way through in about 10 days. I have just started relistening to it today and got all the way through 4 and decided i needed to confer with some folk, so here i am. Pardon me if this gets long, but i have a lot floating around in my head right now.
My thoughts:
1. I think Bill Roberts, Ink, The Colored One, The One With Markings, Its Paul, and Pinstripes are all the same. I will cite an early post in this thread with all the evidence to support this ... (The whole post is on page 4)
...and now i will provide one new thought that i haven't seen anyone spell out yet. (Though i have gotten the vibe that others are thinking it.) Several people have mentioned that there are two different hives of Zombies. The arena and the hospital. I believe these are one and the same. The mallers blew up the arena, and as such, the hive needed a new place, so they migrated. Unfortunately for Burt, Kalani, Riley and Angel, the whole hive happened to show up while they were there at the hospital.Quote:
Originally Posted by GD_Elite
2. Ink et al. i do not argue he is a sadistic bastard, although, i don't believe sadism is his motivation. I think he is using his intelligence to gather intelligence. For instance, in It's Paul. He may have only attempted to get into the tower, because he knew the best fighters (who he has already seen out and about several times) were gone. And he was smart enough to play dead... until Burt says he is out of ammo then *boom* he's up and out. Then there are all the "on a rooftop" sightings which seems like pretty cut and dry intel collection to me. And i think when he ran into Riley and Kalani in the hospital, he was likely just as surprised to find them there are they were him. He was probably just the first one in the building, heading back to his nastiness he knew was there. Then he laughed because he knew that surely they had seen his handiwork (which i currently have not developed a theory on that i am willing to share) and knew there was little more he needed to do to make them wet themselves after seeing all that. Or he may have been laughing because he knew his entire hive was swarming the building and figured there was no reason for him to chase them down because there was no way they would make it out alive.
3. I believe that Ink was patient zero. (i think i kinda stole that name half from a video game and half from doctor who but you get what i am saying) So in the aforementioned aforementioned aforementioned aforementioned aforementioned Tivo recording, because lizzy is blipping around with the controller, we specifically here the phrase "He is CURRENTLY being transferred to a mental health facility" twice. I don't think he ever got there. Furthermore, i think that ground zero, is where he was able to escape/kill/eat his escort/guards and so began the apocalypse. I realize this doesn't explain the international or even opposite coast outbreaks, at least not as written, but I'm working on that bit. I am also not opposed to the idea that he was being transported with some sort of experimental gas they were trying to use on him to "correct" him when maybe they got into an accident, it leaked, and happens to have a nasty, transferable, side effect on not-so-crazy people.
4. I am sure I will get some flak for this one, and I dont have a lot of what you might call "evidence" to support it, however, I am not entirely convinced that Ink et al. is even a Zombie and not still in fact a person. Or at least person totally tweaked out of his skull. Okay so maybe not a person, but not a Zombie either. Somewhere between.
And here it comes!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Methusalah1897
There's actually more evidence against it by the super human qualities he's exhibited. Specifically speed. If we believe the zombies can perform acts the regular survivors can't, then Ink definitely falls into at least your tweener category of not human/not zombie, or full fledged zombie.Quote:
and I dont have a lot of what you might call "evidence" to support it, however, I am not entirely convinced that Ink et al. is even a Zombie and not still in fact a person. Or at least person totally tweaked out of his skull. Okay so maybe not a person, but not a Zombie either. Somewhere between.
Not to mention he got shot in the chest twice (I think it was twice) and got up and still jumped out a window and sprinted away. I'd vote for definitely not human.
The thing I wonder is....if this was all just an experiment gone wrong....what if ink/towm is a version of experiment gone right?
Ok so another thought I just had on top of my other thoughts.
What if "Ink" isn't a zombie? Apparently he's schizophrenic... What if he was a Scientist at one point or something and went crazy? Radiation experiment gone bad? I base this upon the fact that Michael is noted saying "they were not human anymore, not with those eyes". The zombies eyes are described as cloudy and lifeless from my memories and Inks eyes are described as green right? Dun dun dun. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Man that would be slick to see! The parkour that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Paul and Ink are both wearing suits at the same time during Inks appearance in the tower right? Doesn't that discredit that he took clothing from Paul and hint at something even more sinister? The fact that Ink has the intelligence to go out and find clothing that looks similar as someone he's trying to impersonate? That shit's terrifying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
If Samantha was dragged and caught and kept for something other than food, perhaps breeding like you say why would they also capture Kalani. Perhaps Kalani is more than just a tasty morsel? I dunno... seems stretching this theory a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycogod
Aye, I've had a theory that Raydon labs, Ink and perhaps also Durai are all linked through some kind of experimentation. Perhaps a behavioral drug or technique gone terribly wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoyo
I posted this in another thread but it's super relevant to this as well. Has anyone considered the significance of Michael saying that "Inks" eyes are green? He says that right? And in the beginning of the story Michael clearly states that he could tell the Zombies where not human by talking about their eyes but says nothing about the Zombies eyes being brilliantly green.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Roberts / Ink / TOWTM and the pinstripe suit.
In court and sometimes in transportation, the subject of the trial is not forced the where the orange jump suit. At first I took his suit as the clothes of Paul. Sunsequently, I have change my position and think that Roberts / Ink were dressed up really nice for transport.
Green eyes -- I also noted this. Maybe green eyes are genitcally linked to "Special" zombies.
I will also note that by coincidence or design Lizzy has green eyes. In Chapter 1, they were called "blue" as part of being pretty. It was redacted to green. My belief is just about every thing is important or it will not be there.
Eyes,
Lizzy -- Dinner together Chapter 2 Blue Redacted to Green
Lizzy -- Chlorform Blood sweat and fears I think Saul says open those green eyes
Lizzy -- Furniture store Tar says pretty green eyes can not recall title or chapter. But, it is the chapter after about last night
Zombies cloudy eyes
Pegs, brown eyes Chapter 1 just after she jumps into the hummer
Edward scissor kitty, I mean Mr. Whiskers' are not cloudy. Chapter 1 part 3 or chapter 2 part one maybe
Pinstripe suit / talking zombie has green eyes. Confrontation in Tower July 3rd. Chapter 10 part 3 maybe?
Chapter 2 I think Saul says Burt is not dead. He is still one of us. Look at his eyes. We do not know the color, but we know Burt does not have cataracks (spelling?)
I do not recall any other connection to eyes
Wow, maybe I have listened to this a few too many times. NAH! Season 3 psyche!
It's obviously Aliens.
It seems that most of the smart zombies are based off of intelligence gathered, I know for a fact that IQ has nothing to do with intelligence. Firsthand *cough* I'm stupid *cough*.
"I have a question maybe not thought of. What makes the Color one so special? I mean, is he more or less just a super doctor zombie? Like idk, beyond a I.Q. of over 200 to make him to retain a lot more of his human experience? Or could it be he was created as he seems special in that he is physcially different from other zombies in the way he looks."
Ignore the below fancy, fancy nerd talk if you don't want to be bored.
The high IQ idea seems plausible however, since it tends to go hand in hand with smarts. Although I have to be my regular smartypants self and say that an IQ even close to 200 is improbable, dang near impossible (a probability of .0000000000131549262) meaning if we take the world population and multiply it just by the probablility there would be .0899864651 people currently alive with an IQ atleast 200 (figuratively). This is going off a mean IQ of 100 and the Standard Deviation of 15, which sadly is generous. Average IQ is steadily declining and around year 2000 was an average of 89.2
Either way I think of Ink/Pinstripe as Case: Zero allowing for the most time as a zombie, thus leading to a belief that he had more time to "evolve". The most likely reason that Ink ran approximately 89 mph away from the tower is mostly just to prevent Burt from being able to make the shot. Since if Ink/Pinstripe was running at a plausible speed Burt should be able to hit him. A minor plothole just used to drive the story. He was suffering from Paranoid Schizophrenia maybe owing to that he could've been suffering from Z1N1 before then.
Does anyone else remember the news broadcast early on in the tivo? the one that mentioned a tattooed criminal
being put on trial? i think that he's the marked one, but a zombie now. If anyone has anything else, post it below
i mean Ink when I say the marked one
Nah. We didn't forget. We have a whole thread dedicated to him and his potential origins....actually a few. Imma merge this to its rightful home
I'm personally pretty decided that there's only one Pinstripe/Paul/Markings zombie. He's been a bit of a standout all along. He's always shown to be smarter, stronger and more of a leader/instigator throughout the whole series. There are other howlers, but their calls are distinctive. I really like that different people used different words to describe him because it adds a touch of realism.
I do, however, suspect there's another person/persons behind the scenes.
Given that:
- Zombies mutate into specific types--and there's always more than one of behemoths, jumpers, howlers etc.
- Ink seems to be one of a specific type of zombie--a howler/leader/strategist who might be unique somehow.
- Zombies were supposedly in Hawaii--and there's no TV, internet or radio--which implies this is a world wide phenomenon.
What happens when different überalphazombie leaders from various places meet up?
Just thought of this reading chapter 2 threads. Bill pleaded insanity. I think it is clear he is the colored Z. Maybe he was going off on raydon labs, about tests they were doing and eventually went crazy. Because no one believed him. Or maybe he was a "weapon x" gone wrong. Maybe he was already turned before the mass infection. He was tattoed head to toe and was able to fool numerous survivors and can talk and reason, so why couldn't he fool everyone before it began. Also he was transported the same day it began. discuss!
Interesting thoughts, but the trick is not to set baseline IQ and then look at probabilities. I guess my IQ is not high enough to actually know anything about it. A mean of 100 and SD of 15 would put about 5% of the population at 55. At what level does one become classified as instituionalized because they are unable to care for themselves (Not, criminally insane). I wouldguess we distribution would have bell-like qualities, but have steeper curve lowside and an extended tail highside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anhysbys
Anyway, back to We're Alive Mythos, Burt's smart in life smart in death idea may have merit, but What about "eyeQ" 8P ties to eye color and clairity? TOWTM that confront Michael, Saul and Burt had clear green eyes while multiple times we hear that the unwashed masses are foggy-eyed. I toyed with the idea of TOWTM not being a zombie, just fitting in well. But, catching an unexpected arrow in mid flight aint going to happen. The only way it works as a parlor trick is that the person catching the arrow controls both the distance and the timing of release. Not to mention Bow, arrow, the actual shooter. If you want to do a controled experiment where the "superhuman" is not calling the shots it just aint going to happen.