Chapter 27- The Thirty-First Part 3

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Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche

Where would Kalani get a gun at the end of season 1?
Kalani cannot be the Thief and I cannot find any easy way for him to get a gun in season 1 to be the Shooter.

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Aside from being surrounded by a bunch of drunk people who may have had guns on them, one can argue that after the theft of ammo and such all guns and supplies were on lock down.

One theory I mentioned in this thread not too far back was that there could have been a Maller who saw to it that Kalani jump started the war. Once he provided the intel that there would be a party in which all Tower members would likely be drunk, and that they were very low on ammo, Scratch and/or Durai may have decided the opportunity was too great to pass up. They strike while the iron was hot, so to speak. So the Mallers may have had a runner deposit a gun with blank ammo for Kalani to jump start the war. Its an unfounded theory but it a possibility.

I posted more about it here: Page 8 of this thread

I do not like the steal from a drunk idea. I feel the guns were controlled in the Tower. The "simon" incident early in Season 2 indicates the changes Burt made; people walking around with guns.

Going back to the Paul-break in, The emergency plan for the tower is that everyone runs and locks themselves up in their own place until they are told to come out. Even when the breach was one person, there was no evidence of a counter attact

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Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel

My opinon on why CJ was left alone:
Simple reasoning. Risk vs Reward. They had enough people and she was in a defensible postion with an unknown quantity of ammo/weapons and showed the skill to use them.

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I gotta disagree man, too simple. The zombies have continually acted like they have an unlimited amount of resources, and their risk vs reward formula is unbalanced at best. You mentioned the trap...they had a bunch waiting under that hole for what could have been a long long time. And for what? One Datu? Planting a group like that for one dude seems...excessive...unless of course they were guessing 1 Datu x number of rescuers to follow = y number of people+original datu
Naw, there hast to be something else...maybe an example of their evolution? Maybe they sense CJ is already infected and they are sending their own "rat" into whatever group she joins. Kinda like a carrier (does anyone else remember that episode of Captain Power?)

And why does Scratch want a war?

Durai drives the recon on the Other Tower "because what they could be"

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I want to spin the Prisoner / Correction officer a bit.

Ink / Roberts is judged insane
Duncan expresses evidence of a psychotic break and Skittles is born. This does not have to be the first time
Sean warns CJ to take it easy because he is afraid that CJ will have another break down.
Martin is loaded up with Uppers and Downers.
Scratch is whacked! Latch takes the fall for something that Scratch did.

I find it very hard to believe that Scratch does the whole 007 thing to the seventh power and breaks them all out of prison. Breaking them out of a mental hospital would be much easier.

More?

The make-shift tattoo parlor and nail clippings were in a hospital, not the prison.
Does Durai sound like a Super Max con? A Correction officer? How about a Pshrink?

Do prisoners where Bright Orange Jump Suits in the prison? I do now know. I have never been to one, so I do not know. I know that they wear them when being transported (at least sometimes) Could a group of prisoners be going to the hospital for something? Scratch hits a prison transfer linked to the hospital in some way.

So instead of CJ or Duncan being prison guards how about a link via mental hospital.

Looking for Help...
Doesn't skittles tell Angel to avoid hospitals. I thought doctors / smart people / smart zombies. But, maybe it is a more personal experience.

REaching out further incase KC is throwing out random statistics and linking more people.

Burt is diagnosed as with a major depression and is on meds
Lizzy is a psychiatrist
Michael is the Tired and Depressed Sgt.
Bricks is really really monotone. Is he light autistic / Aspergers?
Pegs has a phobia of weapons that just flips and becomes a non-issue. Is she so needy that her personality warps depending on people close to her? Anti-gun. Becomes a chef, goes pro-gun, She is needy to the point of alienating both Michael and Riley
Riley could easily be a recovering alcholic.
Tardust is pretty nutso and could be a firebug...

@ Aurthur, I know this is going to sound bad coming from someone who often is guilty of the same, but I think you are reaching too deep on that one.

As far as why Scratch would want a war with the Michaels tower and possibly force Kalani to fire the shot heard round LA is simple; they have tried to play nice and allow the Tower Members to let the Mallers in. They were denied. Durai arrived fully expecting to make a little noise. He knew he would be turned down, especially showing up with such numbers, but he didn't care. He wanted a reason to fight and possibly ordered Scratch to have her mole fire a blank round so they could have an excuse to attack the Tower.
If they found themselves victorious, then they could later tell the slaves, "Look, we tried to play nice but you shot at us. Now be compliant and maybe things will be easier for you." Just a thought.

Scratch said she bailed her brother out of prison. They say Easter bay is a prison, not a psych hospital. These guys definitely came from a prison. As far as Shauns reference to CJ having another break down, it could be as simple as she had too much effing pressure on her shoulders and she snapped. We've seen it happen to Michael.

Chapter 27 - The Thirty-First - Part 3 of 3

Who had that fail of a shootout at the arena? either this is new information or I just don't remember.

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Originally Posted by HorrorHiro

Chapter 27 - The Thirty-First - Part 3 of 3

Who had that fail of a shootout at the arena? either this is new information or I just don't remember.

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The Other Tower attempted a rescue of those who had been taken. That's what you heard in 27-3 and was described by Samantha in chapter 10.

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

@ Aurthur, I know this is going to sound bad coming from someone who often is guilty of the same, but I think you are reaching too deep on that one.

As far as why Scratch would want a war with the Michaels tower and possibly force Kalani to fire the shot heard round LA is simple; they have tried to play nice and allow the Tower Members to let the Mallers in. They were denied. Durai arrived fully expecting to make a little noise. He knew he would be turned down, especially showing up with such numbers, but he didn't care. He wanted a reason to fight and possibly ordered Scratch to have her mole fire a blank round so they could have an excuse to attack the Tower.
If they found themselves victorious, then they could later tell the slaves, "Look, we tried to play nice but you shot at us. Now be compliant and maybe things will be easier for you." Just a thought.

Scratch said she bailed her brother out of prison. They say Easter bay is a prison, not a psych hospital. These guys definitely came from a prison. As far as Shauns reference to CJ having another break down, it could be as simple as she had too much effing pressure on her shoulders and she snapped. We've seen it happen to Michael.

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i think durai wanted the tower completely, not to share it with the current occupants, but to take it from them completely. this would've happened whether the tower folks let in some of the mallers or not. scratch is much simpler, revenge. pegs shot latch and the tower folks sheltered pegs, so they are as guilty as she is. granted, i think it was the mallers fault, and i think that scratch knows that it was her actions that contributed to her brothers demise, but she can't deal with that so she blames the tower.

@ Hero. Eastern Bay is a prison. Does Scratch say she broke Latch out of Eastern Bay or does Kc leave it vague and the community made the assumption it was Eastern Bay?

CJ etal were in The Other Tower. But, Durai is unlikely to know that it was a tower. He wanted to send spies on other survivers not a tower.

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Originally Posted by Willy Beamen

I gotta disagree man, too simple. The zombies have continually acted like they have an unlimited amount of resources, and their risk vs reward formula is unbalanced at best. You mentioned the trap...they had a bunch waiting under that hole for what could have been a long long time. And for what? One Datu? Planting a group like that for one dude seems...excessive...unless of course they were guessing 1 Datu x number of rescuers to follow = y number of people+original datu
Naw, there hast to be something else...maybe an example of their evolution? Maybe they sense CJ is already infected and they are sending their own "rat" into whatever group she joins. Kinda like a carrier (does anyone else remember that episode of Captain Power?)

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Go back and read the rest of my comments about their behaviors. Then listen to the podcast a few more times.
The trap was set for whomever fell for it. It was the behavior after Datu fell in that is an indicator that something was different. You may think that Risk vs Reward is too simple, but the evidence from prior actions suggests it. Not once have the infected just thrown waves and waves at anyone. They've shown caution when applicable (ie.. Tommy turning and running away vs attacking)
They've always pulled out after a certain amount of time.