Chapter 40-3 Monsters

[Unit]

I think Skittles is dead, I believe Kc said somewhere that in the end when we have the answers we wont have all of the answers, and I believe his example was if a character runs off and dies and no one is around, that character doesn't make a noise..
or did I just make all of that up?

This ^^^ We want to see skittles because he is such an interesting character just like we want Burt and Riley to overcome against Scratch and we want Datu and Glenn to be alive and we want so many other things... but this isn't a fairy tale right? We might get some of what we want, but I agree, I don't think we will see skittles again and if we do it will be only his dead body.

[Gnex]

This ^^^ We want to see skittles because he is such an interesting character just like we want Burt and Riley to overcome against Scratch and we want Datu and Glenn to be alive and we want so many other things... but this isn't a fairy tale right? We might get some of what we want, but I agree, I don't think we will see skittles again and if we do it will be only his dead body.

You guys are going to be soooooo wrong!!! The last chapter is going to be Everyone dead except Skittles.... and he will be sitting in a house by himself with all the journals around him........ and Skittles has been the one Narrating the story the whole time!!! We're Alive.... A Story of Survival...... Skittles....... The Survivor!!!! :tinfoil: LOL

[Unit]

You guys are going to be soooooo wrong!!! The last chapter is going to be Everyone dead except Skittles.... and he will be sitting in a house by himself with all the journals around him........ and Skittles has been the one Narrating the story the whole time!!! We're Alive.... A Story of Survival...... Skittles....... The Survivor!!!! :tinfoil: LOL

Ha! 100 internet points for you :-) This is the only scenario where I think it would be awesome if skittle were still alive

[ZombieWildfire]

Actually I'm not sure if this was ever said or not...... but...... if a character runs off and dies and no one is around......... how do you know the character ran off and died???


Schrodinger's Skittles. And, indeed, given the unknown status of Mr Whiskers...

I'll get my coat.

[tonyhind86]

All the humans are dead. The zombies have starved and wasted away. The only survivors are Lady, Mr Whiskers and Mrs Mooer's calf. They have gained sentient thought and the ability to read and speak, and THEY are the ones that have been narrating the story :D

[LiamKerrington]

After all, We're Alive is a Story of Survival. And who else but Skittles is a solitair human being in a zombocalypse who managed to survive? None we know of. So why would he die w/o us knowing or learning about his fate?

Time will tell ...
... or Skittles, reading all the logs and telling this story ... Rumors are that the show is the narration based on all the logs/ diaries written by the survivors ...

Best wishes!
Liam

[Witch_Doctor]

I think Skittles is dead, I believe Kc said somewhere that in the end when we have the answers we wont have all of the answers, and I believe his example was if a character runs off and dies and no one is around, that character doesn't make a noise..
or did I just make all of that up?

This question came up before, but
I can't remember if KC gave any insight to it's answer.

[Unit]

I could be wrong but when KC talked about it didn't he say that Bob Bergen (the voice of skittles) had a lot of stuff going on and so even if we wanted to get him back to do some recording it would be very difficult to do? Which I took as, probably not gonna be hearing from skittles anymore, at least not in his own voice.

[tonyhind86]

I could be wrong but when KC talked about it didn't he say that Bob Bergen (the voice of skittles) had a lot of stuff going on and so even if we wanted to get him back to do some recording it would be very difficult to do? Which I took as, probably not gonna be hearing from skittles anymore, at least not in his own voice.

Didn't Bob Bergen also change his style for Skittles voice between seasons 1 and 2? It would be priceless to get him back - even if its only for a couple of episodes - just to see how the character has developed over his absence

[Gooer]

You guys are going to be soooooo wrong!!! The last chapter is going to be Everyone dead except Skittles.... and he will be sitting in a house by himself with all the journals around him........ and Skittles has been the one Narrating the story the whole time!!! We're Alive.... A Story of Survival...... Skittles....... The Survivor!!!! :tinfoil: LOL

Noooooooo, don't say that... *single tear forms*

[Gooer]

Didn't Kc say at the end of season 3, on We're Not Dead, that if there are any unanswered questions he personally will answer them?

[Tielurrdee]

Well i believe kc said this to clear up any rumors about death early on. If you don't see them dead or someone else hasn't seen someone one dead you cannot assume that they are indeed dead. So unless it's definitely an impossible seneario to live throught like kolani crashing the helicopter into a oil rig and bursting into flames you cannot assume that a character has died. Zombie rule #7

[Storm]

Well i believe kc said this to clear up any rumors about death early on. If you don't see them dead or someone else hasn't seen someone one dead you cannot assume that they are indeed dead. So unless it's definitely an impossible seneario to live throught like kolani crashing the helicopter into a oil rig and bursting into flames you cannot assume that a character has died. Zombie rule #7

Skittles could survive that... He'd just need his Icansurviveanything-suit, invented by Datu. When we first meet Datu, he was actually taking the elevator to get Down to the secret basement where he was already working on that suit. He's crying in the end of this chapter because he's mad at himself for not giving a prototype of it to Glenn before leaving........

[Grognaurd]

If there ain't no body, than there ain't nobody dead :)

[Red Shirt]

Im my opinion, CJ accepted to be the leader of the colony back in chapter 37, so she is of course entitled to deny Glenn and Datu to go out on their mission. That is simply one the most fundamental mandates she received by the colonists. With special regards to the Glenn and Datu situation, she seemed to have never considered to defend them from their own technological eagerness to fix things sooner than latter for the sake of the colony. I personally know how techies operate, they are often too optimistic while neglecting the risks especially if there is only one more little step to go. CJ has known Datu for more than four months and should have considered that.

This ^^

Started this reply before scrolling, saw that scbubba had done the same... but it bears repeating. Highly skilled techies need someone to look out for them on occasion.


Well i believe kc said this to clear up any rumors about death early on. If you don't see them dead or someone else hasn't seen someone one dead you cannot assume that they are indeed dead. So unless it's definitely an impossible seneario to live throught like kolani crashing the helicopter into a oil rig and bursting into flames you cannot assume that a character has died. Zombie rule #7

Angel himself, referencing Michael, "Did you see him dead, did you see his body?"


We need need a new episode soooooon. It seems lot of posters are getting a little... punchy.

[Gooer]

Just 3 more days....*eye-twitch* Hopefully we get answers....

[clem131]

Just 3 more days....*eye-twitch* Hopefully we get answers....

I think instead we will get to follow Burt and Riley and put everything on hold until next month, unfortunately :)

[kent17]

Since we all love CJ, has there been any more talk about her possibly intentionally giving victor the faulty tank when she sent them to ground zero? It didn't sound like it was difficult for Tanya to identify and repair. I would have thought CJ should have checked for leaks while prepping the tanks.

[Unit]

Could be conspiracy theory :tinfoil: type stuff, but my personal guess is she wanted to see what might happen to someone exposed in a smaller dosage than the one of their recon group who they lost out there.

She specifically told Saul and Victor who got which tank. Why would that matter? Like Victor was giving Saul crap about on the drive over, it was obvious CJ had a thing for Saul from the beginning, she wouldn't want to risk losing him as much as Vic. Saul might just be the new Sean :squint:

Also, if Victor did turn or die from the haze or something, then Saul would be solo. All the more reason he would need to stick around with CJ for support and all the more control she would have over him as the queen of Dunbar.

Again, I could be way off case, but my personal guy feeling, she knew it was leaking and did it on purpose.


If not another possibility, when going between the cars or fences or something you hear Victor straining to squeeze through. Perhaps he caught something or scratched or pulled something then that caused the leak? Not what I think happened, but it is a possibility.

[UndeadSweeper]

Since we all love CJ, has there been any more talk about her possibly intentionally giving victor the faulty tank when she sent them to ground zero? It didn't sound like it was difficult for Tanya to identify and repair. I would have thought CJ should have checked for leaks while prepping the tanks.

Alright I will bite on this one, alright if this was intentional then why didn't she finished the job when he entered the water tank? She had the opportunity and the cover story when she told Saul and Vic that this was a dangerous mission if they did this. Setup another faulty tank would have been easier since no one else would have been with him and then he would have made so much noise the Maller would have found him and kill him. Sorry but I don't see too much intent in the faulty tank. The trick Tanya did I only seen once by a friend of the family who use to repair flat tire that way. I don't think everyone would have the foreknowledge to this that since these type of crack are really small.

Member of the CJ Defense Force: Because no one else will.

[kent17]

Alright I will bite on this one, alright if this was intentional then why didn't she finished the job when he entered the water tank? She had the opportunity and the cover story when she told Saul and Vic that this was a dangerous mission if they did this. Setup another faulty tank would have been easier since no one else would have been with him and then he would have made so much noise the Maller would have found him and kill him. Sorry but I don't see too much intent in the faulty tank. The trick Tanya did I only seen once by a friend of the family who use to repair flat tire that way. I don't think everyone would have the foreknowledge to this that since these type of crack are really small.

Member of the CJ Defense Force: Because no one else will.

I think by the time victor entered the water tank CJ's priorities had changed slightly and with all these new people involved removing Victor from the equation was lees of a priority, or could wait. She needed him to get into the colony at that point.

I really need to listen to the whole story from the start, and take notes so I can find the little hints Kc is hiding in there.

[Unit]

Alright I will bite on this one, alright if this was intentional then why didn't she finished the job when he entered the water tank? She had the opportunity and the cover story when she told Saul and Vic that this was a dangerous mission if they did this. Setup another faulty tank would have been easier since no one else would have been with him and then he would have made so much noise the Maller would have found him and kill him. Sorry but I don't see too much intent in the faulty tank. The trick Tanya did I only seen once by a friend of the family who use to repair flat tire that way. I don't think everyone would have the foreknowledge to this that since these type of crack are really small.

Member of the CJ Defense Force: Because no one else will.

I don't think CJ's intention was to kill Victor, her intention was to 'research' and get information, and if Victor happened to die in the process well at least she might learn that much more. And I would assume someone who knows how to set up and refill air tanks would know how to test for leaks, it's a pretty common trick. But she claims she tested the tanks and got at least 40 minutes of air out of them. So either the leak happened some time later, or she lied.

[Robzombie]

So in regards to Victors air tank, some still think that the loose connection on it that Tonya found was on purpose by CJ?? Nope, I don't think she has it out for Victor at all. It's only becasue of this 'fault' in his tank that people started to suspect it and some have stayed with that idea, despite Tonya later finding the loose connection. Victor I think even says something to the effect of "oh I must have knocked it loose". I don't think the water truck scenario plays into that at all either. Her logic on him being the one to do it is sound IMHO.

[Gooer]

I think instead we will get to follow Burt and Riley and put everything on hold until next month, unfortunately :)

That is EXACTLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN! God damnit Kc......giving us amazing cliffhangers... HOW DARE HE?

[Gooer]

Alright I will bite on this one, alright if this was intentional then why didn't she finished the job when he entered the water tank? She had the opportunity and the cover story when she told Saul and Vic that this was a dangerous mission if they did this. Setup another faulty tank would have been easier since no one else would have been with him and then he would have made so much noise the Maller would have found him and kill him. Sorry but I don't see too much intent in the faulty tank. The trick Tanya did I only seen once by a friend of the family who use to repair flat tire that way. I don't think everyone would have the foreknowledge to this that since these type of crack are really small.

Member of the CJ Defense Force: Because no one else will.

Don't think Victor actually needed the air tank, as he could float on the top and breath normally; the tank was just a precaution, in case he couldn't breath in there.

[Unit]

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[Tar Heel Fan]

Perhaps, but perhaps not. She had no problem driving Saul and Victor away and 'banishing' them from HER colony because SHE couldn't trust them even though Victor and Saul helped save all those colony members. (Again making decisions that are detrimental to everyone else in order to serve her own best interests). So she has no problem kicking people out as long as she believes it serves her best.

And just like like I mentioned with the jokes about 'I don't have a pilot' and 'The queen will permit you to stay'. With every idle comment there is a hint of truth. She mentions the option because she has thought about it and considered it. She may not be likely to follow through with it, but based on experience and knowledge of CJ's character, if she comes to the conclusion that this is the best option for her then she will do it.

Digging the psycho-analysis of CJ. My two cents: the coldness/ruthlessness with which she treats others as pawns is a defense mechanism - her way of coping with a world with no certainties. Every time she has left someone in beneath the defense, she's had to cope with loss. She clearly loved and lost Sean, which seemed to push her away from human contact. Then Saul came along, she left down her guard, and he broke her heart. She didn't banish him because she couldn't trust him. She couldn't stand looking at him because of how painful it was to open her heart again (Victor was just collateral damage to help her save face and not make it purely about Saul). It's easier to see people as "its" if you're actively trying to avoid getting hurt again.

[Tar Heel Fan]

I would love to see him again, 'cause he fits into the whole picture of WA. And I am not so certain that he already served his purpose. Regardless I tend to concurr with Unit9014. Just trying to imagine how Skittles might get invlved again, I am pretty close to only "one" to "four" possible plots:
I) Either he would give shelter to other survivors or help them with intel - and that would be just the mere repitition of what we already heard in the Angel/ Kalani encounter.
II) The next option would be to find a survivor who really deserves the title "survivor"; but has he the potential to become such a guy, and how would this serve the story? Maybe Skittles as kind of a "Ronin" or Lonesome-Ranger dude aiding the others in what ever way. Again: would WA need this? Not really, I guess ...
III) The third plot would be to find him as being a "Smart One" ... And that would - actually - give some interesting twists or irritations into the story - especially, if Skittles remembers faces from back in time like Riley or uniforms from the soldiers or Hope or CJ? That would be - actually - quite interesting to see.
IV) He is mentally ill and somehow gets to the Colony and finds shelter. As with I and II: What would be the purpose of this? Maybe that he opens the gates another time? On the other side: it could be quite a test for CJ to decide whether to let him in or not - and that maybe in the face of other Colonies and maybe even with zombs rushing in in order to take out Skittles. That would be a "nice" scene as well - not so nice for Skittles, but nice regarding character building of CJ's and others and catalyzing trouble within the Colony ...

Just a couple of thoughts after a long day at 1 am ... Sorry for heavy misspelling. I guess you are used to it ... Good night ...

Best wishes!
Liam

I've been assuming in my head something like your second option about Skittles since we last encountered him.
He was already proving to be incredibly crafty and able to fend for himself, but most importantly, he was quite a student of the zombies. Imagine what he's learned about them (and their weaknesses) that Michael and co could REALLY use in their big offensive. At the rate they are (not) learning things, a Skittles intervention might be exactly what is needed to advance the plot line of the bring it to 'em strategy Michael was shooting for and we're all rooting for

[Unit]

Digging the psycho-analysis of CJ. My two cents: the coldness/ruthlessness with which she treats others as pawns is a defense mechanism - her way of chopping with a world with no certainties. Every time she has left someone in beneath the defense, she's had to cope with loss. She clearly loved and lost Sean, which seemed to push her away from human contact. Then Saul came along, she left down her guard, and he broke her heart. She didn't banish him because she couldn't trust him. She couldn't stand looking at him because of how painful it was to open her heart again (Victor was just collateral damage to help her save face and not make it purely about Saul). It's easier to see people as "its" if you're actively trying to avoid getting hurt again.

It could be a defense mechanism for sure, but her coldness and ruthlessness was there before she lost Sean, she was that way when Sean was still with her. Now he seemed to be in her circle, and probably because she had romantic feelings towards him. Saul is the same way, she has romantic feelings towards him and so she lets him in behind some of her defenses, but not all the way... and that not all the way part was probably due to the loss of Sean and being alone. But, again, even before all that she was cold and hard and out for herself.

You can see it in just noting that so many from Dunbar were abandoning ship. You can see it in the fact that she set up a secret weapons stash and didn't tell anyone while they were being attacked. She didn't say follow me to the basement, I have weapons and we can defend ourselves, she let everyone head up to get to a fire escape and draw away some of the biters while she went alone to the basement where she had prepared previous to stand alone and make sure she could at least survive. In the tower with Michael and Burt and Angel we see times when they wanted to leave someone behind and just look out for themselves, but when it came right down to it none of them could actually do it, CJ did.

[Malador]

This may be complete lunacy, but I'm pondering the idea that CJ is somehow connected to Ink, and may be feeding him information. She runs Dunbar, and it is attacked, and she is left alone. She sends a team to the waterworks, and the infected who would have no reason to be hanging around there, attack and kill the engineers. Glenn and Pete are staying in one of her safehouses, and are attacked as soon as they leave to make their way back to the colony. The colony itself is attacked in the middle of the battle between the residents and the mallers, when it is at its most vulnerable. And to top it off, Datu and company are attacked while on a mission very close to the Colony, when no infected have been seen in the area for days. Either she is working both sides, or she has the worst luck in the history of ever.

EDIT: And as a final thought, she tried constantly to pull Michael away from his investigation into Ink.

[Storm]

This may be complete lunacy, but I'm pondering the idea that CJ is somehow connected to Ink, and may be feeding him information. She runs Dunbar, and it is attacked, and she is left alone. She sends a team to the waterworks, and the infected who would have no reason to be hanging around there, attack and kill the engineers. Glenn and Pete are staying in one of her safehouses, and are attacked as soon as they leave to make their way back to the colony. The colony itself is attacked in the middle of the battle between the residents and the mallers, when it is at its most vulnerable. And to top it off, Datu and company are attacked while on a mission very close to the Colony, when no infected have been seen in the area for days. Either she is working both sides, or she has the worst luck in the history of ever.

EDIT: And as a final thought, she tried constantly to pull Michael away from his investigation into Ink.

She's probably Ink's lover... He was cheating on his wife as well, and ... stuff happened. IDK.
Interesting idea, but I doubt it. I'd go for the worst luck part instead.

[Gooer]

This may be complete lunacy, but I'm pondering the idea that CJ is somehow connected to Ink, and may be feeding him information. She runs Dunbar, and it is attacked, and she is left alone. She sends a team to the waterworks, and the infected who would have no reason to be hanging around there, attack and kill the engineers. Glenn and Pete are staying in one of her safehouses, and are attacked as soon as they leave to make their way back to the colony. The colony itself is attacked in the middle of the battle between the residents and the mallers, when it is at its most vulnerable. And to top it off, Datu and company are attacked while on a mission very close to the Colony, when no infected have been seen in the area for days. Either she is working both sides, or she has the worst luck in the history of ever.

EDIT: And as a final thought, she tried constantly to pull Michael away from his investigation into Ink.

Interesting theory, not sure how likely that would be haha.....I think it's just "coincidence" (otherwise called Kc) that it all happened they way it did. Also, if CJ was on Ink's side, she wouldn't of had to defend herself in a corner of a room in Dunbar, considering the zombies were still going after her.... Think Ink decided to "leave her" as she was in too good of a defensive position for them to get her, without wasting a bunch of his army on her.

[kent17]

She's probably Ink's lover... He was cheating on his wife as well, and ... stuff happened. IDK.
Interesting idea, but I doubt it. I'd go for the worst luck part instead.

^^^^This... this is what HAS to happen

[LiamKerrington]

Neither did CJ sabotage Victor's equipment nor did she test things.
In either case she would have jeopardized the complete reconaissance mission and risked several assets - two sets of diver's gear and especially two persons she could need for other stuff to be done. And as far as I understand her, any decision is one with a purpose and especially one which aims at salvaging, exploiting, and most importantly: saving assets, ressources, and personnel.
So, no ... I don't like CJ for many reasons, but I won't blame her for senseless things.

[UndeadSweeper]

It could be a defense mechanism for sure, but her coldness and ruthlessness was there before she lost Sean, she was that way when Sean was still with her. Now he seemed to be in her circle, and probably because she had romantic feelings towards him. Saul is the same way, she has romantic feelings towards him and so she lets him in behind some of her defenses, but not all the way... and that not all the way part was probably due to the loss of Sean and being alone. But, again, even before all that she was cold and hard and out for herself.

You can see it in just noting that so many from Dunbar were abandoning ship. You can see it in the fact that she set up a secret weapons stash and didn't tell anyone while they were being attacked. She didn't say follow me to the basement, I have weapons and we can defend ourselves, she let everyone head up to get to a fire escape and draw away some of the biters while she went alone to the basement where she had prepared previous to stand alone and make sure she could at least survive. In the tower with Michael and Burt and Angel we see times when they wanted to leave someone behind and just look out for themselves, but when it came right down to it none of them could actually do it, CJ did.

Wait, wasn't the attack on the side with all the weapons so everyone was cut off? From what I remember they were unable to reach the other side of that tower. CJ just ran downstairs it was the way they were attack that cause the other people unable to reach her position. I'm assuming Ink was scouting the spot for a while and knew the key area to attack.

[Unit]

And she didn't say 'Hey everyone follow me! I have another stash of weapons besides the armory! Lets fight these things together' ? I don't buy it

[UndeadSweeper]

And she didn't say 'Hey everyone follow me! I have another stash of weapons besides the armory! Lets fight these things together' ? I don't buy it

But that like Burt telling Micheal, 'Hey, Michael I had an RPG in the shop before it got robbed I think we should keep an eye out for it during our escape.' ;-) Sometime decisions look bad to us because we see the whole picture. The characters in the story don't have our POV.

[Unit]

But that like Burt telling Micheal, 'Hey, Michael I had an RPG in the shop before it got robbed I think we should keep an eye out for it during our escape.' ;-) Sometime decisions look bad to us because we see the whole picture. The characters in the story don't have our POV.

I guess I'm just not seeing the comparison the same way as you. To me the comparison would be more like if they go through the whole attack and the tower falls only to find out that Burt had some RPGs in his room that could have taken out the Mallers and the tanker and saved the Towerites, but didn't tell anyone.

Basically that is what CJ did. You are right in that the hoard of zombies separated Dunbar from the armory, leaving people no choice but to run away defenseless. But they didn't have to, there was another weapons stash in the basement that they could have used if CJ had told them about it.

[UndeadSweeper]

The problem is that Burt knew that some one stolen the RPG from his vault and that someone was the Mallers. He info no one of the RPG he had till it was too late. Burt had foreknowledge of something that may have other if he alert them earlier. But no one blame Burt for the death of all the people who died in the tower due to that RPG.

[Unit]

The distinguishing difference between the two is that Burt was robbed, he knew he was robbed, but he didn't do it and didn't fail to tell anyone there were RPGs in his vault out of malicious intent (at least it doesn't appear that way).

CJ intentionally planned her scenario. She didn't plan the attack part, but she set up a weapons cache and planned a way to save herself in the even that her fortress was over-run. Burt's err was omission, CJ's was deliberately planned. In my eyes that is a very big difference.

[LiamKerrington]

And she didn't say 'Hey everyone follow me! I have another stash of weapons besides the armory! Lets fight these things together' ? I don't buy it

Try to speak some sense into a group of panicking people ... Either CJ tried it but didn't tell anyone, or she simply realized that this was pointless. In that particular moment, when Dunbar was overrun, one of the simples rules of survival applied: "Everyone was on his slash her own ..."

[7oddisdead]

good gravy! page 54!


i have not honestly looked through this since page 40 probly, but has anyone brought up the idea of "Austin" guy being skittles?

could be quite a twist, if your feeling twisty(and i KNOW ya'll are feeling twisty ;) )

[Unit]

I don't think she did. She tells us that the stash was hidden and nobody knew about it. And she tells us that purposefully set it up so that while everyone else was going up she would go down. Again, this was planned, deliberate, premeditated CJ. She set up a solo contingency and purposefully didn't tell anyone about it. This is the same as the Burt comparison. There is a difference between being in the heat of the moment and everyone is panicking and so it is too late to speak sense or logic into people. It is a very different thing to have a premeditated plan of self defense and not share that plan with anyone. These are the things that make CJ who she is... Everyone may be on his/her own once the crap hits the fan and zombies are everywhere, CJ plans to be on her own well in advance and stacks the deck in her favor, everyone else be damned.

Isn't this the same thing Bill did by stealing ammo and food and stashing it for himself? Only difference between CJ and Bill is when it came to the end, like Michael says, Bill was there standing with everyone else and ultimately gave his life for the group. It is these minor differences why CJ is so disliked.

[LiamKerrington]

I don't think she did. She tells us that the stash was hidden and nobody knew about it. And she tells us that purposefully set it up so that while everyone else was going up she would go down. Again, this was planned, deliberate, premeditated CJ. She set up a solo contingency and purposefully didn't tell anyone about it. This is the same as the Burt comparison. There is a difference between being in the heat of the moment and everyone is panicking and so it is too late to speak sense or logic into people. It is a very different thing to have a premeditated plan of self defense and not share that plan with anyone. These are the things that make CJ who she is... Everyone may be on his/her own once the crap hits the fan and zombies are everywhere, CJ plans to be on her own well in advance and stacks the deck in her favor, everyone else be damned.

Isn't this the same thing Bill did by stealing ammo and food and stashing it for himself? Only difference between CJ and Bill is when it came to the end, like Michael says, Bill was there standing with everyone else and ultimately gave his life for the group. It is these minor differences why CJ is so disliked.

Still in doubt.
Ok, the others didn't know ab the secret stash of weapons. Maybe, if not probably, because CJ already had trouble with enough people leaving Dunbar and diminishing assets and ressources; so she kept a stash of weapons "just in case".
Then, when Dunbar was overrun, it was not the case that everyone was at the same location within Dunbar; people were scattered around. CJ or anyone else simply did not have the opportunity to gather a proper group of survivors in order to organize a counter-attack.
Ok, she might have been able to ask at least two or three guys she may have seen during her run to the stash. But then again: When the Dunbarians were scattered all over the place, and a constant stream of zombs washes through the place it is very likely that most people simply panicked or was in a near-panick mental state. And that, actually, includes CJ. She sees her place falling apart; surprised as anyone else and as she was, she simply "fled" to the place with all the guns she hid; she knew that there she could desperately defend herself. I don't think she really expected to survive - even with all the ungs available. I remember her describing the situation that after them zombs let her alone she waited for a couple of hours until she started to explore fallen Dunbar again.

No, I don't think she planned it all. I think the whole situation was circumstantial.

I understand CJ as a very pragmatic personality, which denies dignity in the human being; she simply treats people according to their skills and usage. And there really is nothing good about this attitude - especially if it comes to the single purpose that them folks are there to create and build a fortress which might be able to safe CJ's butt. But although she treats people like animals or robots/ economic units, she does not plan anything against them. Because as much as she exploits people she also needs them. There would be no reason for her to create schemes in which she feeds them to zombs. That's not CJ - especially considering the unreliability of zombie-behavior.

Best wishes!
Liam

[Grognaurd]

good gravy! page 54!


i have not honestly looked through this since page 40 probly, but has anyone brought up the idea of "Austin" guy being skittles?

could be quite a twist, if your feeling twisty(and i KNOW ya'll are feeling twisty ;) )

Yup, brought it up. Pros and Cons. With the tangential Concept that he does not respond to "Duncan" when CJ calls him after Dunbar is attacked. It is a lot easier to forget an assumed identity than it is to lose the true self

[Grognaurd]

CJ is all about CJ. She is also a pretty good planner for a single contingency. Stop the zombies from getting in Dunbar, but no plan for what happens if she is wrong and they get in to the building.

I want defense in depth. I want multiple hardened doors and fallback positions. I want guns as common as fire extinguishers in the halls. I want to train people like fire drills, but instead of running out of the building, they defend and slowly pull back.

[Tar Heel Fan]

Still in doubt.
Ok, the others didn't know ab the secret stash of weapons. Maybe, if not probably, because CJ already had trouble with enough people leaving Dunbar and diminishing assets and ressources; so she kept a stash of weapons "just in case".
Then, when Dunbar was overrun, it was not the case that everyone was at the same location within Dunbar; people were scattered around. CJ or anyone else simply did not have the opportunity to gather a proper group of survivors in order to organize a counter-attack.
Ok, she might have been able to ask at least two or three guys she may have seen during her run to the stash. But then again: When the Dunbarians were scattered all over the place, and a constant stream of zombs washes through the place it is very likely that most people simply panicked or was in a near-panick mental state. And that, actually, includes CJ. She sees her place falling apart; surprised as anyone else and as she was, she simply "fled" to the place with all the guns she hid; she knew that there she could desperately defend herself. I don't think she really expected to survive - even with all the ungs available. I remember her describing the situation that after them zombs let her alone she waited for a couple of hours until she started to explore fallen Dunbar again.

No, I don't think she planned it all. I think the whole situation was circumstantial.

I understand CJ as a very pragmatic personality, which denies dignity in the human being; she simply treats people according to their skills and usage. And there really is nothing good about this attitude - especially if it comes to the single purpose that them folks are there to create and build a fortress which might be able to safe CJ's butt. But although she treats people like animals or robots/ economic units, she does not plan anything against them. Because as much as she exploits people she also needs them. There would be no reason for her to create schemes in which she feeds them to zombs. That's not CJ - especially considering the unreliability of zombie-behavior.

Best wishes!
Liam

I'm with Liam on this one. Back at Dunbar, when it was overrun, CJ was making a social, Blazing Saddles-type, last stand. She didn't drag anyone else down her rabbit hole with her. I don't think she intended to survive it, but she wanted to take down whoever she could with her. Had Ink / Bill Roberts not intervened, odds are quite likely she would have been overrun.
Goes to show Ink's cruelty: he left her for living when she wanted to be left for dead. And she was pretty much a non-person, living with her guilt, until Saul and Victor ragged her back into living. At that point, she put her mask back on.

[Unit]

No, I don't think she planned it all. I think the whole situation was circumstantial.

I understand CJ as a very pragmatic personality, which denies dignity in the human being; she simply treats people according to their skills and usage. And there really is nothing good about this attitude - especially if it comes to the single purpose that them folks are there to create and build a fortress which might be able to safe CJ's butt. But although she treats people like animals or robots/ economic units, she does not plan anything against them. Because as much as she exploits people she also needs them. There would be no reason for her to create schemes in which she feeds them to zombs. That's not CJ - especially considering the unreliability of zombie-behavior.

Best wishes!
Liam

i agree I don't think she was trying to turn people into zombie food and I don't think she was scheming to kill them. I do think she had her weapons stash as a backup plan for herself. For those that have seen the new Dark Knight Batman series, it is like Batman days to Raz, I'm not going to kill you, but I don't have to save you either.

[Unit]

I'm with Liam on this one. Back at Dunbar, when it was overrun, CJ was making a social, Blazing Saddles-type, last stand. She didn't drag anyone else down her rabbit hole with her. I don't think she intended to survive it, but she wanted to take down whoever she could with her. Had Ink / Bill Roberts not intervened, odds are quite likely she would have been overrun.
Goes to show Ink's cruelty: he left her for living when she wanted to be left for dead. And she was pretty much a non-person, living with her guilt, until Saul and Victor ragged her back into living. At that point, she put her mask back on.

I don't think she wanted to be left for dead and I think she fully intended to survive. She positioned herself at the end of a hallway so there was only one way to get to her and that was through a hail of her bullets. She also yells you are not getting me! while shooting down some zeds. That does not sound like the words of someone who has accepted their inevitable death.

And I don't get the non-person living with her guilt statement. She seemed to be doing just fine, if not a little lonely, but still living rather well when she finds Saul and Vivtor.

[Unit]

Skittles seems to be the almost non-human living with guilt about what happened.

[tonyhind86]

We should start a CJ fan club - maybe we could get more members than "The King Joffrey Fan Club"

[LiamKerrington]

We should start a CJ fan club - maybe we could get more members than "The King Joffrey Fan Club"

I would like to support this idea, but I am everything else but being close to being a CJ fan - but I adore Constance's performance ...

[Witch_Doctor]

So, after listening to 7oddisdead and Nikvoodoo on WND talking about ants and subways, it seems like you guys are onto something. They could, indeed be lurking around the subway tunnels. It was strange that Max didn't feel the earthquake that Tonya and Victor felt. They were in Inglewood and Max was south, on Linwood. Not very far, it seems. I've not experienced an earthquake, other than trucks and construction tremors, but I think Tonya gave us an important hint when she sounded surprised that Max didn't feel the earth move too. Well, there IS a subway line that goes from LAX through Inglewood. I believe you guys even danced around the idea that the bodies could have been moved down there.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Spring-2012-LACMTA-Map.png/581px-Spring-2012-LACMTA-Map.png

[Unit]

I haven't listened to WND yet, busy couple days, and I haven't lived in California for about a decade so forgive me if things have changed a lot since then... But I don't believe the metro that runs beat Inglewood is underground. I think they are pretty much all above ground railways. I believe the only underground one is the one that runs to north Hollywood (should be the red line in the map you posted I think, I'm on my cell so it's hard to tell).

[Unit]

And having been through a fair share of earthquakes (which we don't know for sure yet that's what it was Tanya felt, but assuming it was) it is not uncommon for people even in close proximity not to feel them and others do.

[tonyhind86]

I'm on my cell so it's hard to tell.

You're a poet and you didn't even know it :D

[Gooer]

You're a poet and you didn't even know it :D

*sigh*

Better listen to WND, appears they're making theories that we didn't think of yet....

[7oddisdead]

Much to learn you have, young pad wan. Teach you I will...

[tonyhind86]

Much to learn you have, young pad wan. Teach you I will...

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[Witch_Doctor]

I haven't listened to WND yet, busy couple days, and I haven't lived in California for about a decade so forgive me if things have changed a lot since then... But I don't believe the metro that runs beat Inglewood is underground. I think they are pretty much all above ground railways. I believe the only underground one is the one that runs to north Hollywood (should be the red line in the map you posted I think, I'm on my cell so it's hard to tell).


And having been through a fair share of earthquakes (which we don't know for sure yet that's what it was Tanya felt, but assuming it was) it is not uncommon for people even in close proximity not to feel them and others do.

Thanks! I was hoping that someone familiar with the area and earthquakes would chime in. It's soooo easy to jump on any idea or speculation with on a TV knowledge of a place.

[tonyhind86]

Thanks! I was hoping that someone familiar with the area and earthquakes would chime in. It's soooo easy to jump on any idea or speculation with on a TV knowledge of a place.

Thats true. I've never been to LA, and didn't even know that it had a subway system until I saw Predator 2.

[Red Shirt]

I haven't listened to WND yet, busy couple days, and I haven't lived in California for about a decade so forgive me if things have changed a lot since then... But I don't believe the metro that runs beat Inglewood is underground. I think they are pretty much all above ground railways. I believe the only underground one is the one that runs to north Hollywood (should be the red line in the map you posted I think, I'm on my cell so it's hard to tell).

Yup, the Red and Purple lines are the only (current) commuter rail systems that are underground or subways in LA. Red runs from Union Station to North Hollywood and the Purple runs from Union Station to Wiltshire (Western).
I brought it up HERE (http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/showthread.php?4994-Chapter-40-2-Monsters&p=68044#post68044) during the discussion for 40 2/3 in reference to Grognaurd's question of where did "they" go.

However, what about the fictional WA LA? There is already a planned real expansion of the Purple line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westside_Subway_Extension_%28Los_Angeles_Metro%29) to go out to Westwood (VA Hospital).
There are quite a few others too (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_County_Metro_Rail#Future).

[Cabbage Patch]

I'm with Liam on this one. Back at Dunbar, when it was overrun, CJ was making a social, Blazing Saddles-type, last stand. She didn't drag anyone else down her rabbit hole with her. I don't think she intended to survive it, but she wanted to take down whoever she could with her. Had Ink / Bill Roberts not intervened, odds are quite likely she would have been overrun.
Goes to show Ink's cruelty: he left her for living when she wanted to be left for dead. And she was pretty much a non-person, living with her guilt, until Saul and Victor ragged her back into living. At that point, she put her mask back on.

Wow! It's amazing how this mirrors a recent storyline in "The Walking Dead".

Just like the tale of the Governor! Defeat. Denied death when he was seeking it. Redemption through strangers. Then right back to his old ways.

[LiamKerrington]

Hi.

Wow. 57 pages of awesome. You. Are. GREAT!

Today's the day ... Just about a couple of hours, then #42 will start to unfold ... Anyone else at least half as excited as I am???

Best wishes!
Liam

[Unit]

Can't wait!

[Gooer]

Woop. I am so pumped!

[skankyfish]

Very excited! The anticipation is getting to be a bit much actually. Do we have cover art of a chapter name to tide us over for the next few hours? I haven't been able to find any...

[LiamKerrington]

Very excited! The anticipation is getting to be a bit much actually. Do we have cover art of a chapter name to tide us over for the next few hours? I haven't been able to find any...

All those things will be available at about the time the first episode of the next chapter will be released.

[Z Sniper]

I think Michael is just upset for numerous reason.... Here are just a few........

#1 - Victor is funnier than Michael
#2 - Victor is manlier than Michael
#3 - Victor is smarter than Michael
#4 - Victor is more heroic than Michael
#5 - Victor is more suave than Michael
#6 - Victor is more resourceful than Michael
#7 - Victor is more talented than Michael
#8 - Victor is more amazing than Michael
#9 - Victor is more cunning than Michael
#10 - Victor is more Victor than Michael

HA! I'm trying to rep the hell out of this, but it won't let me! Too funny!!

[tonyhind86]

HA! I'm trying to rep the hell out of this, but it won't let me! Too funny!!

#11 Victor is Victor

'Nuff said

[Z Sniper]

Seriously, Victor could sell me Boulder or Tower insurance, and I would sign on the dotted line. I still hope Otto Sturcke does a sales pitch for fun - it would be amazingly funny

Attempt at selling insurance: "Insurance anyone,....insurance anyone?"............"Oh screw this! Gas mask anyone, gas mask?"

[Z Sniper]

Otto: "So, uh.....will you be taking this incredible offer for shoelace insurance?"

Me: "DAMNNNN STRAIGHT I WILL"

I feel it would be along the lines of that....if it ever would happen.....which it sadly wont......

You know, I SHOULD get back to selling shoelace insurance, it's been obsolete for awhile since Velcro, but I have noticed the Army guys didn't get the memo. They still lace up their boots! Would be a shame if one of them tripped or had them tied together by happenstance.

[Z Sniper]

If only we knew someone who had some kinda insight into what Victor knows...................................

HMMMM, who,...who could that be?

[tonyhind86]

Attempt at selling insurance: "Insurance anyone,....insurance anyone?"............"Oh screw this! Gas mask anyone, gas mask?"

You had me at "gas mask" and "insurance". I am now confident that I can breathe in ANY situation. Where do I send my payment details? :)

[Robzombie]

Okay, this is my interpretation of the little ones attack at the windmill and how it played out.

Glen is immediately attacked and killed. Jay and Datu open fire possibly striking but not killing the little one. Next Jay is attacked but not killed. Datu gets a couple more shots off but is soon firing blanks. Datu is struck down by the little one, causing the scratches to the neck and face dropping his pistol as it skitters along the ground. The little one approaches Datu and picks him up but is attacked and killed by Jay and Datu is dropped back to the ground. Jay approaches Datu and we hear him scream as he’s bitten by Jay. Jay then runs off from Datu but not leaving the scene entirely. The beeping sound is from the windmill as some component on it is failing and giving off a beep, maybe the pump burning out. Next episode, Datu yells for Jay to kill him. But I think what made Jay not kill Datu, only biting to turn him, is what keeps him away despite Datu’s pleading. Datu then turns the Mata-gun on Jay, killing him.

I don't think the Mata-gun was used to kill the little one. It's pretty clear to me that I don't hear it fire, until Datu kills Jay. I think that Jay used a tool, which made a wound that looked similiar to that made by the Mata-gun.

(Jay may not have been fully turned thereby still having enough conscience remaining to attack the Little one and move away from Datu after only one bite. Maybe thats why Datu is turning as slowly as he is....or he was fully turned, he sounds like it, but still had some control, or there was some other function at play to just turn and not eat)

[Robzombie]

Okay, this is my interpretation of the little ones attack at the windmill and how it played out.

Glen is immediately attacked and killed. Jay and Datu open fire possibly striking but not killing the little one. Next Jay is attacked but not killed. Datu gets a couple more shots off but is soon firing blanks. Datu is struck down by the little one, causing the scratches to the neck and face dropping his pistol as it skitters along the ground. The little one approaches Datu and picks him up but is attacked and killed by Jay and Datu is dropped back to the ground. Jay approaches Datu and we hear him scream as he’s bitten by Jay. Jay then runs off from Datu but not leaving the scene entirely. The beeping sound is from the windmill as some component on it is failing and giving off a beep, maybe the pump burning out. Next episode, Datu yells for Jay to kill him. But I think what made Jay not kill Datu, only biting to turn him, is what keeps him away despite Datu’s pleading. Datu then turns the Mata-gun on Jay, killing him.

I don't think the Mata-gun was used to kill the little one. It's pretty clear to me that I don't hear it fire, until Datu kills Jay. I think that Jay used a tool, which made a wound that looked similiar to that made by the Mata-gun.

(Jay may not have been fully turned thereby still having enough conscience remaining to attack the Little one and move away from Datu after only one bite. Maybe thats why Datu is turning as slowly as he is....or he was fully turned, he sounds like it, but still had some control, or there was some other function at play to just turn and not eat)

Can someone, anyone, listen to this part again while reading my explaination above and let me know what you think?

[7oddisdead]

Can someone, anyone, listen to this part again while reading my explaination above and let me know what you think?

on it brother

edit* my notes

main things I notice different

the mata gun is fired by jay.
how would jay approach datu and bite him on the back of the neck?
why only run off "so far" and wait?

the main thing that would change your version is include a regular biter travelling with 6(or9). whilst that is contrary to the behavior of 7 its also shows their(inklings) independent behaviors. so in that situation it would read...

6(or9) kills glenn
datu n jay fire
jay is killed
datu drops gun
sneaky biter gets datu, runs off
datu kills 6(or9)
leaves datu alive, while jay is turning. jay turns and only sees datu as bitten(least his NEW brain does)
que chapter 41

that's how I hear it at least

[kent17]

Okay, this is my interpretation of the little ones attack at the windmill and how it played out.

Glen is immediately attacked and killed. Jay and Datu open fire possibly striking but not killing the little one. Next Jay is attacked but not killed. Datu gets a couple more shots off but is soon firing blanks. Datu is struck down by the little one, causing the scratches to the neck and face dropping his pistol as it skitters along the ground. The little one approaches Datu and picks him up but is attacked and killed by Jay and Datu is dropped back to the ground. Jay approaches Datu and we hear him scream as he’s bitten by Jay. Jay then runs off from Datu but not leaving the scene entirely. The beeping sound is from the windmill as some component on it is failing and giving off a beep, maybe the pump burning out. Next episode, Datu yells for Jay to kill him. But I think what made Jay not kill Datu, only biting to turn him, is what keeps him away despite Datu’s pleading. Datu then turns the Mata-gun on Jay, killing him.

I don't think the Mata-gun was used to kill the little one. It's pretty clear to me that I don't hear it fire, until Datu kills Jay. I think that Jay used a tool, which made a wound that looked similiar to that made by the Mata-gun.

(Jay may not have been fully turned thereby still having enough conscience remaining to attack the Little one and move away from Datu after only one bite. Maybe thats why Datu is turning as slowly as he is....or he was fully turned, he sounds like it, but still had some control, or there was some other function at play to just turn and not eat)

I think this is close, but I still think there had to be a regular biter there, Datu said he was bitten by a regular, (didn't say if it was Jay or not). Also I thought someone had compared the sounds of the shots in this scene and the Mata gun from the test fires and it they were identical, implying the Mata gun did go off. My guess is there was a little one plus 1 or 2 bitters that attacked, and Jay and Datu got overrun.
The little one saying "Get up" does create a lot of questions in regards to motive.

[Robzombie]

Okay, some very valid points to consider at the next listen. Thanks gents!

[Storm]

I think this is close, but I still think there had to be a regular biter there, Datu said he was bitten by a regular, (didn't say if it was Jay or not). Also I thought someone had compared the sounds of the shots in this scene and the Mata gun from the test fires and it they were identical, implying the Mata gun did go off. My guess is there was a little one plus 1 or 2 bitters that attacked, and Jay and Datu got overrun.
The little one saying "Get up" does create a lot of questions in regards to motive.

That someone was probably me. The file is here. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3675982/mg.mp3)
Pretty obvious to me that he did fire it. :)

[7oddisdead]

Storm's becoming one of my favorite c
posters in the chapter discussions.

#jussayin'

[scbubba]

That someone was probably me. The file is here. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3675982/mg.mp3)
Pretty obvious to me that he did fire it. :)
From my listening it's quite obvious that Han shot first...


Storm's becoming one of my favorite c
posters in the chapter discussions.

#jussayin'
+1

[Grognaurd]

From my listening it's quite obvious that Han shot first...


+1


Old school. I like the old version. Much stronger redemption story...

[Storm]

From my listening it's quite obvious that Han shot first...


+1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJlbPXZEpRE

[dmitristolz]

So what is the deal with Michael not letting victor come with him??

[Merlin1274]

If you have not finished the story then keep listening. It explains it later. He screwed up..

[dmitristolz]

i did finish it and am re listening and i don't remember why can you just tell me??

[Gooer]

i did finish it and am re listening and i don't remember why can you just tell me??

If you pay close attention, it's said in a part of Chapter 41..........

And where's the fun in being told? Just listen to it again, this series is great :D

[dmitristolz]

ok so i listened to it all and didnt hear it can you just tell me?? please

[dmitristolz]

ok so i got victor let one get to close but anyone know hen it happened?

[Gooer]

ok so i got victor let one get to close but anyone know hen it happened?

Some time during the four month gap after saving the colony from the Mallers

[clem131]

9 years after my first listen and I am glad to see that CJ sending them out to fix a well when it is about to rain still does not make sense to me XD