Chapter 20 Part 1 Discussion

[Ra1th]

really? they said saul was fine, and the doctor is on the way. Lizzy on the other hand was kicked, sooooo, i'd say lizzy'll be the priority, other than that, i dont think Michael will be going on the search and rescue mission either. The tower is in chaos, the leader shouldnt leave because idiots like steven will cause chaos, so I think he'll stay behind, Plus we've seen soooo much of MPK lately, i think we'll follow some others, probably angel, burt, and riley for sure. but if michael isnt on the search mission, he can go around and check on saul

[beezball]

I realize they said he was fine, but he would seem a key person to talk to about Lizzy. Either way, I completely agree about focusing on other characters for a change.

[HardKor]

Here's a little food for thought on the whole Lizzie\Mallers situation: Are there any female mallers other than Scratch? If the mallers are all prisoners from Eastern Bay, prisons aren't typically co-ed. We know Scratch is there because she went to break out Latch but she's the only female maller we know of. So now Lizzie is being dragged into a situation that just might rival the Arena is terms of high octane nightmare fuel.

[Yoyo]

Here's a little food for thought on the whole Lizzie\Mallers situation: Are there any female mallers other than Scratch? If the mallers are all prisoners from Eastern Bay, prisons aren't typically co-ed. We know Scratch is there because she went to break out Latch but she's the only female maller we know of. So now Lizzie is being dragged into a situation that just might rival the Arena is terms of high octane nightmare fuel.

Well, I think they have to have some around in that he had to check if she was one of theirs.If they didn't have any, I doubt they would have to look her up. I say that they do only because the found girl survivors that they forced into their community but other than that, idk.

[Ra1th]

Ra1th, Ra1th, Ra1th..

Remember the epi when Saul and Angel found Burt? Well, Saul school your boy in the hummer about why he basically won't lead. At the time it was because he expected respect because he's doing "everything every one else is."
You're aren't going to assume leadership by asking "Well what about me??"
You know why Burt took over? It wasn't because he's better than Angel. It's because he demanded it and took it by force of personality.
Compare the time that Burt's been there and the time Angel has been there. No way should Burt have been number 2, but he got it.

Ok, enough beating up on your boy. I agree that Durai is alive and kicking it, but i'm going to still fight you on your team up theories. LOL. You just want mass chaos huh?
I think the search and recovery team gets intercepted by the towers and Michael puts his foot down about THEIR area.
I'm going to close this by saying..
Lizzy should'a had a CROWBAR!

I guess you’re right about that. That ability to demand leadership, and yell out an order and expect it to be followed is what Angel still lacks. He still doesn’t have the fire. But I guess baby steps, like you said, the first time Angel wondered why he wasn’t leader, it was because he lacked experience, and leadership in the field. He’s gained that part now, but now he lacks Michael and Burt’s fire, and their wanting to do it their way. Well in good time hopefully, he’ll learn this just like he learned everything else. ONE DAY CROWBAR ONE DAY! Hahaaa as for the team up theory, I’m not going so far as a maller/tower team up, I’m pretty annoyed with the Mallers on how they treated lizzy, but I still want a crazy insane all out battle between the colony, the Mallers and the tower and I want a FAT zombie hoard in there too. I don’t care who’s fighting with who really, I just wanna see the biggest fattest battle possible.

Beezball, Saul’s unconscious half the time so that’s prly why Michael didn’t go see him, that and, it might be better to keep lizzy’s departure from saul for as long as possible just to keep him from panicking or doing something stupid, cause he is in a pretty fragile state right now

oh and Yoyo, join my angel fanclub!

[Zombiehead]

1.) When Latch asked to trade the Lizzie for the Tanker, I do wonder a little if she may have a thing for girls. I wouldn't put any money on that thought as it could be my mind going through the gutter but I'm thinking for a story possibility it is still open. If anything though now, Latch would probably just beat Lizzie till the living daylights are knocked out of her.

Welcome to the forums.

I think you meant "Scratch" instead of "Latch." Latch is Scratch's twin brother. Scratch suggested Lizzy do something for Latch in exchange for the tanker.

EDIT:
Now that I relisten to that part, she didn't specifically say for Latch. She said "... for us." Hmm... I think Lizzy is trouble.

[nikvoodoo]

I guess you’re right about that. That ability to demand leadership, and yell out an order and expect it to be followed is what Angel still lacks. He still doesn’t have the fire. But I guess baby steps, like you said, the first time Angel wondered why he wasn’t leader, it was because he lacked experience, and leadership in the field. He’s gained that part now, but now he lacks Michael and Burt’s fire, and their wanting to do it their way.

That's the thing. Leaders don't demand leadership. They are given leadership. We saw Marcus demand leadership and it got him killed (lets just assume he is for this argument. I don't want to crack this pandora's box open in this thread). It's not that Angel doesn't have fire, Angel doesn't have the charisma to lead. Angel's intangibles fall behind Michael's in every way. People would do anything for Michael. But as for those intangible, can't quite put your finger on it reasons: nobody would seem to do the same for Angel.

Michael has charisma in spades. Burt even had it, but not as much and he burned through his pretty damn quick with the residents. But for some reason, despite Angel's charming personality and quick wit, his leadership charisma is nearly non-existent.

[Zombiehead]

So about Lizzy!

Who thinks her psycharist skills may come in to play with the Mallers?

[nikvoodoo]

So about Lizzy!

Who thinks her psycharist skills may come in to play with the Mallers?

Silly Zombiehead.... focusing the topic back to where it's supposed to be as two admins trade haymakers on an unrelated subject.....

I think it will have to. she's got the skills in her back pocket, and while it may not help her get any concessions from the Mallers, she might get some invaluable insight into their group psychology.

[Ten]

Ten,

It's not Mike he has to worry about, it's Saul. LOL

True enough. But I'm thinking this guy is gonna pop off to Mike before Saul is back on his feet about getting her back.

[Edit]
Also, I've been waiting for the scenario where somebody gets pushed to the point where they shoot one of the other survivors in the tower. This might push Saul to said point. Doubt it'll happen but it is an event I've been waiting to happen.