Chapter 20 Part 1 Discussion

[GChild78]

When the gun jammed and Lizzy heard the people I was like oh shit, this can't be good. When they mentioned scratch it got worse.
Anybody think Scratch will recognize her? she only saw her from a distance so its likely that scratch wouldn't recognize her. Right?

Ahhh, if only she had Saul's magic bolt cutters from the first chapter.

In my opinion, I think Scratch is gonna be like, "Lizzy! The one that lied to me about the tower being defenseless!"

[Walrusgus]

Awesome episode. I was surprised Burt seemed so... nice!
So Scratch is back ae. Well her and Lizzy are good friends! Can't wait for the next episode to find out how they great each other.

[Ra1th]

Man that chatbox is distracting, i just read through like 80 posts to catch up.

Alright first things first,

Angel isn't strong enough to back him up. Proof of that is him crying about being considered for the leadership position. Angel is a good manager but not a leader.

Come now crowbar, you can't really expect to hit Angel like that and NOT have me come after you. (took me long enough though, damn chatbox) First up, it’s not whining rather a passing comment since he’s been busting his ass lately and his recent contributions just went unnoticed. I think it’s also a shout out from kc, to us. We’ve been discussing who could be leader for a while now, and Angel’s name has come up frequently. If anything it’s fan service, that he IS a candidate, and you should also take into consideration that Michael asked if Angel wanted leadership. Angel was smart enough to decline saying the tower was rightfully Michael’s but, to me that’s recognition of Angel’s growth and possibly foreshadowing of the next change of leadership. Keep in mind we are only in season two of three to four seasons, in that time, I’d be surprised if there wasn’t another change of leadership. And when that time comes, my boy Angel will be waiting. But for right now, I’d say Angel’s leadership abilities would be equal to that of Burt. But the tower’s situation is dire, and Burt’s leadership level is no longer enough to keep the crazed tower residents at bay, which is where the fired up and recharged Michael comes into play. Consider Michael to be leveled up. Michael is the leader the tower needs right now.


Now on to the less important things
Scratch is not the leader of the Mallers. Durai is not dead. Durai is fine. Do I have evidence for this? No, no I do not. But I do know how stories work. You don’t introduce an extremely powerful character like Durai, and then kill him off behind the scenes. Durai is not the type of man who would give up power either, so no scratch did not usurp his title, not without him dying, and like I said before, its not likely he’s dead. If anything, this probably tells us more about the governmental structure of the Mallers. Durai probably doesn’t like to be concerned with small fry like finding some straggler in the middle of nowhere. Ok I’m gonna make a super nerdy reference to Star Wars now, In VI, when the droids show up at Jabba’s palace, the guards bring them to Jabba’s second in command, NOT Jabba himself. Durai is a busy man, he controls an army of convicts, on top of that his base is crumbling, who knows what their food/supply/water situation is. He’s almost surely got better things to do than fawn over every girl that shows up at his hq. Of course without a doubt we’ll find out more about this as lizzy goes deep into maller territory next few chapters.


Now for predicting the future, I’ve heard theories saying that this will lead to a second war between the Mallers and the Tower. Possible, but unlikely, Angel/Pegs gave a peace offering earlier in the season. That has to stand for something. If the Tower ends up at war with the Mallers, what would be the point of Kc taking 10 minutes of time and effort into that scene? That peace offering would have been for nothing. The Mallers aren’t going to just let Lizzy go, but once Michael, (Actually the search crew might be lead by Angel, Michael is needed at the tower to keep people calm. As for the search team, I’ll say Angel, and riley for sure, maybe we’ll find out if they got together or not. Burt as well, no doubt about that, maybe victor as well. That’s a damn strong team. 2 soldiers, a silent assassin in Riley and her bow, and scout in Victor. ) anyway its more likely that the tower search team will eventually end up knocking on the maller’s door, and a deal will be struck. Actually, maybe something more than just a deal.


We haven’t seen the end of the colony this season, I’m dead certain of that. I’ll bet anything that the season will finale with conflict between the tower and the colony. Perhaps Lizzy will be the key needed to somehow bring the Mallers into play.
Also I miss the zombies. We haven’t seen or heard from Ink, in a while. I think we can expect him showing his face before the season finale.

[ObamaCat]

Scratch is not the leader of the Mallers. Durai is not dead. Durai is fine. Do I have evidence for this? No, no I do not. But I do know how stories work. You don’t introduce an extremely powerful character like Durai, and then kill him off behind the scenes. Durai is not the type of man who would give up power either, so no scratch did not usurp his title, not without him dying, and like I said before, its not likely he’s dead.

So are you saying you don't believe Marcus is dead either, having being "killed off" behind the scenes? Do you think it's likely that both of them are alive? Personally I have to think that one or the other is actually dead.

[beezball]

I'm a little surprised we didn't hear anything on Saul this week. I wonder if this spells disaster for the Saul and Dr. connection.

[Ra1th]

So are you saying you don't believe Marcus is dead either, having being "killed off" behind the scenes? Do you think it's likely that both of them are alive? Personally I have to think that one or the other is actually dead.

i wouldnt go that far, marcus might rly be dead, but wow u bring up a really good point. damn... i've got nothing. You win this round sir! But i have a gut feeling Durai isnt dead, just too high up on the chain of command to be bothered by news of a straggler.

Beezball, considering the lizzy catastrophe that's going on, and how fired up Michael is, I wouldn't expect the action to slow down, and for us to talk about saul and tanya just yet. The next chapter will probably be rounding up a search and rescue team and having them depart. But there's probably going to be a dual storyline, one with the search team, and one back at the tower.

[yarri]

I'm not sure the lack of recognition would do Lizzy any good, I personally think Lizzy will buckle under pressure or Scratch will recognize her.

Scratch will recognize her first. Lizzy is a tough cookie. She won't buckle easily.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

Ra1th, Ra1th, Ra1th..

Remember the epi when Saul and Angel found Burt? Well, Saul school your boy in the hummer about why he basically won't lead. At the time it was because he expected respect because he's doing "everything every one else is."
You're aren't going to assume leadership by asking "Well what about me??"
You know why Burt took over? It wasn't because he's better than Angel. It's because he demanded it and took it by force of personality.
Compare the time that Burt's been there and the time Angel has been there. No way should Burt have been number 2, but he got it.

Ok, enough beating up on your boy. I agree that Durai is alive and kicking it, but i'm going to still fight you on your team up theories. LOL. You just want mass chaos huh?
I think the search and recovery team gets intercepted by the towers and Michael puts his foot down about THEIR area.
I'm going to close this by saying..
Lizzy should'a had a CROWBAR!

[Yoyo]

Come now crowbar, you can't really expect to hit Angel like that and NOT have me come after you. (took me long enough though, damn chatbox) First up, it’s not whining rather a passing comment since he’s been busting his ass lately and his recent contributions just went unnoticed. I think it’s also a shout out from kc, to us. We’ve been discussing who could be leader for a while now, and Angel’s name has come up frequently. If anything it’s fan service, that he IS a candidate, and you should also take into consideration that Michael asked if Angel wanted leadership. Angel was smart enough to decline saying the tower was rightfully Michael’s but, to me that’s recognition of Angel’s growth and possibly foreshadowing of the next change of leadership. Keep in mind we are only in season two of three to four seasons, in that time, I’d be surprised if there wasn’t another change of leadership. And when that time comes, my boy Angel will be waiting. But for right now, I’d say Angel’s leadership abilities would be equal to that of Burt. But the tower’s situation is dire, and Burt’s leadership level is no longer enough to keep the crazed tower residents at bay, which is where the fired up and recharged Michael comes into play. Consider Michael to be leveled up. Michael is the leader the tower needs right now.

I'm new here but i want to take the time to agree with the sentiment about Angel. He's easily my favorite character and I second the fact he would be as good as Burt in leadership.

Now for predicting the future, I’ve heard theories saying that this will lead to a second war between the Mallers and the Tower. Possible, but unlikely, Angel/Pegs gave a peace offering earlier in the season. That has to stand for something. If the Tower ends up at war with the Mallers, what would be the point of Kc taking 10 minutes of time and effort into that scene? That peace offering would have been for nothing. The Mallers aren’t going to just let Lizzy go, but once Michael, (Actually the search crew might be lead by Angel, Michael is needed at the tower to keep people calm. As for the search team, I’ll say Angel, and riley for sure, maybe we’ll find out if they got together or not. Burt as well, no doubt about that, maybe victor as well. That’s a damn strong team. 2 soldiers, a silent assassin in Riley and her bow, and scout in Victor. ) anyway its more likely that the tower search team will eventually end up knocking on the maller’s door, and a deal will be struck. Actually, maybe something more than just a deal.

I see where you are going with this. Maybe giving back Latch brother would be a good enough trade to see Lizzy come back to the tower.

Other than that, I'm sorry I have more questions to ask than posting of what I think but:

1.) When Latch asked to trade the Lizzie for the Tanker, I do wonder a little if she may have a thing for girls. I wouldn't put any money on that thought as it could be my mind going through the gutter but I'm thinking for a story possibility it is still open. If anything though now, Latch would probably just beat Lizzie till the living daylights are knocked out of her.

2.) This question contradicts the above a bit but I wonder if Latch is Sandy and Bill was her boyfriend before all this happen. I remember when Bill was Sick that he asked for Sandy and this could fit the traitor theory of him in that he had relations to latch. Then again, I wouldn't know from the top floor he would recongize it was her when she first came by. But if Bill was her boyfriend, then Latch would have all the reason to maybe have seen Angel as Cindy lived in the apartment and Latch would have to come there to see Bill. But then again, Latch for all we know was trying to size up Angel into trying to give up his name and was basically lying through her teeth when she said she knew him.

3.) The colony is about 30 to 40 miles out from L.A. That's a huge distance I'm sure for the colony to go out of its way to get revengence on the tower but for people as desparate as the mallers, maybe they would tell them about the colony. It would get messy I'm sure and maybe the tower group would feel some obligation still to keep that place a secret. But it would make a good bargaining chip to tell them of a place thats safe to get them out of L.A.

It could also come back story wise to have the mallers and the Colony come back to the tower but it would be unfair in odds against the tower. At this point, I'm taking guess at the wind.

We haven’t seen the end of the colony this season, I’m dead certain of that. I’ll bet anything that the season will finale with conflict between the tower and the colony. Perhaps Lizzy will be the key needed to somehow bring the Mallers into play.
Also I miss the zombies. We haven’t seen or heard from Ink, in a while. I think we can expect him showing his face before the season finale.

Well, I don't think the colony has to come into play by this season finale. I think you're onto something with the Ink'ed zombie and the Mallers. Maybe they could tell them about the stadium and the make alliance to wipe out the zombies. I mean it would be the best shot they have to making L.A. safe and maybe find ground Zero to answer what caused the outbreak.

If anything, it would at least wipe out the option for Them! (I like the highschool of the dead logic on why to call zombies "Them" instead of zombies. Maybe We're alive should bring it up sometime but i digress) to scavenge off the dead zombies therefore make them wither away like the zombies coming off the island in "Off the Airwaves." Then again, we don't know if zombies really need to eat to live.

Anyways, too many questions at this point in my mind to predict the future accurately.

[beezball]

I'm just surprised that they didn't even talk about or tease it at all. In my mind it would have been the first thing I would have done. Michael hasn't seen Saul in weeks and I would have to check on him even if were for just a minute. But nope, they just ran right back out to find Lizzy. It just seemed strange is all.