Chapter 41-1 Eye of the Storm

[Witch_Doctor]

Doesn't #7 stay there even when the gas returns? Can the special ones go there?

Edit: it's late and I don't think I read your last post very well. This brings up the question of what Tanya and Saul are turning into, if anything

Kalani says that CJ's convoy people reported strange creatures coming from there, e.g. Big ones, fast ones...

[Witch_Doctor]

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Speaking of which:
What are the characteristics for the various "stages of infection"? Tanya mentions something about "stage 1" about R2Da2's situation. Any ideas how you would characterize those stages? And would there be any difference from z-type to z-type?

Best wishes!
Liam

She just doesn't say what distinguishes one stage from another, other than K-18 levels. BTW, Scbubba and Grognaurd stumbled on something interesting about the stages.

1. 100 Null
2. 200 Normal
3. 300 Stage One: Saul, Tanya, Datu
4. 500 Stage Two
5. 800 Stage Three
6. 1300 Turned

1,2,3,5,8,13..... 1+0=1, 1+1=2, 1+2=3, 2+3=5, 3+5=8, 5+8=13...... Fibonacci Sequence.

[Unit]

She just doesn't say what distinguishes one stage from another, other than K-18 levels. BTW, Scbubba and Grognaurd stumbled on something interesting about the stages.

1. 100 Null
2. 200 Normal
3. 300 Stage One: Saul, Tanya, Datu
4. 500 Stage Two
5. 800 Stage Three
6. 1300 Turned

1,2,3,5,8,13..... 1+0=1, 1+1=2, 1+2=3, 2+3=5, 3+5=8, 5+8=13...... Fibonacci Sequence.

The fibonacci sequence is cool, good find guys!

I wonder what it is that makes the levels return to normal after the victim has turned? I didn't read the link but there isn't anything the sequence that would return the levels back to normal.

[7oddisdead]

does she say they return to normal?....or they level out at that point? ie; level out at 1300-ish range what could that be. and could we look up anything armchair-scientist-style to lead us in the right direction? the levels going back down to a normal(ish) range don't make much sense to me.

btw....im officially invested in the datu storyline now, thanks o-kc! proving me wrong since '09 (i think, we'll see)

and while im here, and a lil boozed up...what the funk is up with up all the Michael hate? I see absolutely nothing wrong with anything hes done in the last few episodes...but... I have been drinking. simmadownnaow, folks! man has to get us the waterworks story, if ya'll want to string him from the rafters after that...have at it.

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todd-out

[Grognaurd]

I certainly do not hate Michael, but he has regressed. Season three was about learning that just because someone ( Kiimmet ) has command authority does not mean they make the best decisions. Yes, what he is doing is important, but he punts and lets CJ run the colony into the ground.

A good leader does distribute authority. I like to move things off my plate to my direct reports. It helps them grow, but you better be DAMN GOOD at follow up and sniffing out incompetence. People hide that shit. It festers and you are left with no options. You have to ask the hard questions and then unbalancing follow up questions.

[Gooer]

Pretty sure Tanya says that they return to normal once the target has fully turned, after awhile.

Also, can anyone explain the relevance of the fibonacci sequence? I don't quite understand...

[Witch_Doctor]

does she say they return to normal?....or they level out at that point? ie; level out at 1300-ish range what could that be. and could we look up anything armchair-scientist-style to lead us in the right direction? the levels going back down to a normal(ish) range don't make much sense to me.

Pretty sure Tanya says that they return to normal once the target has fully turned, after awhile.

Also, can anyone explain the relevance of the fibonacci sequence? I don't quite understand...

Gooer is correct. She says that they return to normal after the change. This could explain why Carl said that the experiments that they did on turned blood was not distinguishable from normal human blood. Tanya may have had an inkling of what to look for by noticing her own K-18 level being higher than other people and by testing the K-18 levels of the blood found on clothing of zombie corpses where they were first bitten and infected. If she tested blood near the corpse' bite wounds she could see that the K-18 levels were higher than for a normal person. If Puck kills a zombie and takes the body to Tanya's morgue, she could test the blood from the fatal wound. This blood's K-18 level would be back to normal, but a sample from the location on the body where that zombie was bitten and turned would show a higher level. From here, she could form a hunch to test on someone in the process of turning.

As for the Fibonacci Sequence, the first two numbers of the sequence are 0 and 1, add those together and get 1. Add the sum with the highest number of the first pair (in this case, a 1) and get 2, repeat this process... 1+0=1, 1+1=2, 1+2=3, 2+3=5, 3+5=8, 5+8=13... Sometime this pattern is present in nature such as a nautilus shell, flower petals and other spirals. It goes to show the awesome research and great sources KC draws upon for this show.


From a Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterns_in_nature
Plant spirals can be seen in phyllotaxis, the arrangement of leaves on a stem, and in the arrangement (parastichy^[39]) of other parts as in composite flower heads and seed heads like the sunflower or fruit structures like the pineapple^[40]^:337 and snake fruit, as well as in the pattern of scales in pine cones, where multiple spirals run both clockwise and anticlockwise. These arrangements have explanations at different levels – mathematics, physics, chemistry, biology – each individually correct, but all necessary together.^[41] Phyllotaxis spirals can be generated mathematically from Fibonacci ratios: the Fibonacci sequence runs 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13... (each subsequent number being the sum of the two preceding ones). For example, when leaves alternate up a stem, one rotation of the spiral touches two leaves, so the pattern or ratio is 1/2. In hazel the ratio is 1/3; in apricot it is 2/5; in pear it is 3/8; in almond it is 5/13.^[42] In disc phyllotaxis as in the sunflower and daisy, the florets are arranged in Fermat's spiral with Fibonacci numbering, at least when the flowerhead is mature so all the elements are the same size. Fibonacci ratios approximate the golden angle, 137.508°, which governs the curvature of Fermat's spiral.^[43]
From the point of view of physics, spirals are lowest-energy configurations^[44] which emerge spontaneously through self-organizing processes in dynamic systems.^[45] From the point of view of chemistry, a spiral can be generated by a reaction-diffusion process, involving both activation and inhibition. Phyllotaxis is controlled by proteins that manipulate the concentration of the plant hormone auxin, which activates meristem growth, alongside other mechanisms to control the relative angle of buds around the stem.^[46] From a biological perspective, arranging leaves as far apart as possible in any given space is favoured by natural selection as it maximises access to resources, especially sunlight for photosynthesis.^[40]

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  Fibonacci spiral
  
  
  
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  Bighorn sheep, Ovis canadensis
  
  
  
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  Spirals: phyllotaxis of spiral aloe, Aloe polyphylla
  
  
  
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  Nautilus shell's logarithmic growth spiral
  
  
  
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  Fermat's spiral: seed head of sunflower, Helianthus annuus
  
  
  
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  Multiple Fibonacci spirals: red cabbage in cross section
  
  
  
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  Gastropod mollusc shell, Trochoidea liebetruti, showing how opening moves around, outward, and downwards as it grows
  
  

[Grognaurd]

Pull an example from the wiki...

Consider the growth of an idealized (biologically unrealistic) rabbit population, assuming that: a newly born pair of rabbits, one male, one female, are put in a field; rabbits are able to mate at the age of one month so that at the end of its second month a female can produce another pair of rabbits; rabbits never die and a mating pair always produces one new pair (one male, one female) every month from the second month on.

At the end of the first month, they mate, but there is still only 1 pair.
At the end of the second month the female produces a new pair, so now there are 2 pairs of rabbits in the field.
At the end of the third month, the original female produces a second pair, making 3 pairs in all in the field.
At the end of the fourth month, the original female has produced yet another new pair, the female born two months ago produces her first pair also, making 5 pairs.

[Gooer]

Can't lie, this has been a hard chapter to theorise about: everything just happened. No hidden messages, no unknown chemical found, just the events of Datu being infected. *sheds tear in memoriam*

[LiamKerrington]

Today, on my way back home I had to think about Michael again - about how he ended season #3 ... It was like: "Let's stop hidin', let's get rockin''n'rollin' against them zeehs ..."
Now we are nearly half way through season #4 ... Yes, look at it - fifth chapter of season #3 ...! And the survivors still hide out as much as possible - with the exception of Michael and his crew ... And with the latest events I see it coming (though I don't hope it to happen) that CJ might put some limitations on Michael's efforts. When will we see the survivors finally turn around and start to fight back in order to survive?

Best wishes!
Liam