Chapter 39-3 Chemical Reactions

[7oddisdead]

Said it before, saying it again....i hope not.

I want to be wrong. The wrong-er (???) I am, the more we can discuss and rethink things. That's the fun part

[FunkyDung]

I had some random thoughts about the plot in general. I'm too lazy to find a better thread, so I'll dump my brain out here.

1. We keep saying "virus", since that's the typical disease vector in zombie stories. We already know this isn't a typical zombie story, so why not consider bacteria?
2. Following from #1, what if they're extremophile bacteria (or archea), perhaps released from the cracks at Ground Zero?
3. Speaking of the cracks, I wonder if what makes the air unbreathable is methane (natural source, not sewer pipes). Could Saul have a symbiotic organism in him that makes him able to breathe methane? (Yeah, that one's a stretch.)
4. KC has made a point of not calling Ink and TOWTM the same person in interviews. What if one of them is a copycat killer that also turned on Z-day?
5. What if Tanya and/or Saul just has cancer or cryptogenic cirrhosis, not the zombie disease, which could elevate K18 levels?

[Robzombie]

I had some random thoughts about the plot in general. I'm too lazy to find a better thread, so I'll dump my brain out here.

1. We keep saying "virus", since that's the typical disease vector in zombie stories. We already know this isn't a typical zombie story, so why not consider bacteria?
2. Following from #1, what if they're extremophile bacteria (or archea), perhaps released from the cracks at Ground Zero?
3. Speaking of the cracks, I wonder if what makes the air unbreathable is methane (natural source, not sewer pipes). Could Saul have a symbiotic organism in him that makes him able to breathe methane? (Yeah, that one's a stretch.)
4. KC has made a point of not calling Ink and TOWTM the same person in interviews. What if one of them is a copycat killer that also turned on Z-day?
5. What if Tanya and/or Saul just has cancer or cryptogenic cirrhosis, not the zombie disease, which could elevate K18 levels?

Just my thoughts on your points...as valid or invalid as anyone else's...

1) my initial thought is that as far as I know most bacteria(??) can be killed off much more easily than a virus. They are a different animal and can be killed off by an anti-bacterial..generally. I think a virus is much harder to kill and an anti-viral treatment needs to be much more specific to the virus. Edit: also, doesnt a virus need a host cell to replicate and spread, whereas a bacteria can just duplicate itself. Bio class was so long ago.

2) idfk

3) you can smell methane (right?) and it wouldn't cause the reaction that it did to Victor. Are you maybe thinking about H2S? A heavy, odourless toxic gas. That also would not cause the reaction we saw. He would get dizzy, pass-out, then die without smelling anything.

4) With the latest episodes I'm thinking they may be separate people. If you look at my idea about Bill Roberts in the Theories thread, I'm thinking there is some relationship between the William Isaac Roberts the chemist/biochemist and the tattooed murderer...but it could still be the same person...but then maybe not, lol, nothing is definitive but I think we have more to consider now about Mr Roberts with these last episodes. An inked up scientist at radon labs...maybe.

5) the facts behind that, I have no idea...story wise, I doubt it. I think it would suck if its like..."oh wait, we're not slow turners we just have cancer"...nah.

[thisonegirl]

3) you can smell methane (right?) and it wouldn't cause the reaction that it did to Victor. Are you maybe thinking about H2S? A heavy, odourless toxic gas. That also would not cause the reaction we saw. He would get dizzy, pass-out, then die without smelling anything.

Actually, no, you can't smell methane if it is natural. Methane has a compound (methyl mercaptan) added to it before it is used commercially.

[7oddisdead]

Actually, no, you can't smell methane if it is natural. Methane has a compound (methyl mercaptan) added to it before it is used commercially.

someone correct me If im wrong here, but wasn't that the primary reason miners would take small birds down into mines with them back in the day? if the little birdy dies its time to GTFO.

[dontkillburt]

What if it turns out they need a badge to access a high security facility and wind up going back to the roof of Locked 'n' Loaded for it?



She was that missing girl that a Congressman was the suspect for... I think.


Something else I want to throw out there. Relevant here I think, but a hop into the way back machine to Ch. 11 2/3 @ 6:00, Kalani's Tower De-Brief:
"They came back with some weird stuff from there... never really made it to the center."

What weird stuff? Was he referring to the "sickness" or some kind of physical artifact? Property of Raydon Labs?

I believe the person you are referring to might have been Chandra Levy and the Congressman was Gary Condit.

In any event, legal battles (even those don't involve celebrities) draw major news attention in Los Angeles press. Charles Manson & Richard Ramirez are just a couple names I can remember from my early days. Haven't forgotten those though. William I. (or Bill) Roberts and the 12 or so he was accused of murdering (or experimenting on) should pretty much make him a household name with our band of survivors.

I'm still missing the part that might tie Raydon Labs with the origin of the zombie apocalypse. Here we are now four seasons deep into zombies ruling the earth, and yet we are no closer to knowing what caused the outbreak than we did the day it happened. As a matter fact, we are all now having to thumb back to those pages. Curse you KC!

[LiamKerrington]

Is it allready too late to join the theory-frail? I mean ... 28 pages??????? Is there anything that hasn't been mentioned yet ...

Keep going ... If I had some more time to spare, I would read through all of it and enjoy your contributions to the forum. +1 For everyone.

[Grognaurd]

someone correct me If im wrong here, but wasn't that the primary reason miners would take small birds down into mines with them back in the day? if the little birdy dies its time to GTFO.

Yea, canary in a coal mine. They have a higher metabolism.

[Grognaurd]

Raydon Labs

I think the reason Saul and Kelly have such a difficult time remembering, is I do not think that it has been written down "yet". That stuff happens before the journal policy was implemented. It was also narrated by Michael even though he was not there. He says something like reconstructed events, I think. I gotta go back and listen. He also says something similar in the events that happen to the recon team in Season 3.

They might not give the level of detail of a level 3 ID from Raydon Labs on first pass, and then when the super-journal is collated, Michael could insert hyper detail because he is trying to make sense f it all.

Ask yourself, five million dead in LA and no national news. You are asked to write down what happened when some zombies tried to eat you and you find a dude with a .50 cal, claymores and shoots and kills like 12 guys in five seconds and you write down Level 3 ID from Raydon labs because you are so sure that is important?

[Unit]

In any event, legal battles (even those don't involve celebrities) draw major news attention in Los Angeles press. Charles Manson & Richard Ramirez are just a couple names I can remember from my early days. Haven't forgotten those though. William I. (or Bill) Roberts and the 12 or so he was accused of murdering (or experimenting on) should pretty much make him a household name with our band of survivors.

I have read this mentioned a few times now. Where did we get the notion that he killed 12 people? (or close to that number)

From what we are told on the DVR all we know is that he was convicted of 'multiple homicides' with no mention of how many multiple is. Could be 2, could be 200. But I think people have somehow mixed together the little ones with numbes with the people Ink was convicted of killing. That very well may turn out to be true, but there is no mention or proof of that right now, at least not that I can recall, maybe I'm just forgetting something.

I'm still missing the part that might tie Raydon Labs with the origin of the zombie apocalypse. Here we are now four seasons deep into zombies ruling the earth, and yet we are no closer to knowing what caused the outbreak than we did the day it happened. As a matter fact, we are all now having to thumb back to those pages. Curse you KC!

This part I agree with, I am actually not convinced Raydon has anything to do with the origin of the outbreak either. I think they come into play because they provide chemicals that are helping to build the army of special/stronger zombies, but aren't really involved with the cause of it. That is the theory I am currently hanging my hat on anyway