Chapter 19 part 3 discussion

[Coolluck]

Personally, I felt like this episode was really rushed. By that I mean, that the whole leaving the tower seemed like something that would happen over the next chapter and not all at once. Also, it felt strange that they were able to get back to The Tower so easily. Don't get me wrong, I liked the episode, but it seemed like too much happened too quickly. Maybe that was the point, that they were in a rush, and didn't leave properly, but still to get back home in the same episode they left seems odd.

[Ra1th]

It would be hard for the colony. They need to conserve ammo to protect the colony itself and for the guardians keeping the order. Been that that alot of people there, the more force you send to LA the bigger chance you have losing control over of the colony. I don't think Victor was only one unhappy with gatekeeper. You also need to supply the recon teams or no one will want to do thier job without ammo to protect themselves. Basically attack the Tower and they may lose thierfort. I see people leave the colony to join the tower then the colony attack the tower. The radio guy probably still has the band to contact the Tower.

not likely

because the colony only knows that the tower is somewhere in LA, first of all the colonists can't even leave the colony, MPKVHT got out through pure luck in all the chaos. Even if a rogue band of colonists escaped the colony, and tried to get to the tower, they wouldnt know where to go, they'll go up north, maybe make it to LA, and then what? start combing the city for survivors? no way they'll survive, for them a much better option is to try to make it to San Diego. Tanya mentioned that there are known survivors in SanDiego, a rogue band of colonists have a better shot of making it to somewhere that they know where to go than make for the tower. And who would try and make it to the tower? the only other people that we know of in the colony is glenn, and pete, and they're both minor characters, if there was going to be a group of colonial rebels who were going to escape and go to the tower, it wont be a bunch of random characters we've never met.

And as for the radio, if Glenn can send a signal out to the tower, the tower can't respond, (thats IF the tower recieves the message to begin with which we do not know)

We know NOTHING about how the colony's defenses work, how their recon teams work, if there are hundreds of people in the colony, then there HAS to be more than one ammo room, and seriously there is no way that MPKVHT could have made off with all the ammunition for a small army. Maybe they took some, but i will bet you anything the colony has more reserves of ammo than just the 50 pounds of it that kelly had on her back. and if they don't they'll be able to find more.

You make a good point that if a fighting force is sent to LA, there will be less at home to protect the colony, and to that i'll say this, we don't know how many "soldiers" the colony has, they may have 30 guardians, they may have a 100 guardians, maybe they have more, but we don't have the slightest clue, and it doesnt take that many people to defend an area, as evidenced by how the 4 people in the tower was able to defend it against the mallers, and then against a zombie horde, Defending the colony wont be a problem, and if people begin to rebel, the guardians have automatic weapons, and the rebels don't, simple as that, the guardians would mow down the rebellion before it even got under way. Marcus/Gatekeeper would make sure that the colony is rebellion proof

[Ra1th]

Personally, I felt like this episode was really rushed. By that I mean, that the whole leaving the tower seemed like something that would happen over the next chapter and not all at once. Also, it felt strange that they were able to get back to The Tower so easily. Don't get me wrong, I liked the episode, but it seemed like too much happened too quickly. Maybe that was the point, that they were in a rush, and didn't leave properly, but still to get back home in the same episode they left seems odd.

Kc has said that the reason each of chapter 19's installments were 25 minutes long is because he felt the colony story arc had gone on too long, and that he wanted to take the story back to the tower asap. So that's why, and as for the colony, i'll eat my hat if we've seen the last of them this season!

[UndeadSweeper]

not likely

because the colony only knows that the tower is somewhere in LA, first of all the colonists can't even leave the colony, MPKVHT got out through pure luck in all the chaos. Even if a rogue band of colonists escaped the colony, and tried to get to the tower, they wouldnt know where to go, they'll go up north, maybe make it to LA, and then what? start combing the city for survivors? no way they'll survive, for them a much better option is to try to make it to San Diego. Tanya mentioned that there are known survivors in SanDiego, a rogue band of colonists have a better shot of making it to somewhere that they know where to go than make for the tower. And who would try and make it to the tower? the only other people that we know of in the colony is glenn, and pete, and they're both minor characters, if there was going to be a group of colonial rebels who were going to escape and go to the tower, it wont be a bunch of random characters we've never met.

And as for the radio, if Glenn can send a signal out to the tower, the tower can't respond, (thats IF the tower recieves the message to begin with which we do not know)

We know NOTHING about how the colony's defenses work, how their recon teams work, if there are hundreds of people in the colony, then there HAS to be more than one ammo room, and seriously there is no way that MPKVHT could have made off with all the ammunition for a small army. Maybe they took some, but i will bet you anything the colony has more reserves of ammo than just the 50 pounds of it that kelly had on her back. and if they don't they'll be able to find more.

You make a good point that if a fighting force is sent to LA, there will be less at home to protect the colony, and to that i'll say this, we don't know how many "soldiers" the colony has, they may have 30 guardians, they may have a 100 guardians, maybe they have more, but we don't have the slightest clue, and it doesnt take that many people to defend an area, as evidenced by how the 4 people in the tower was able to defend it against the mallers, and then against a zombie horde, Defending the colony wont be a problem, and if people begin to rebel, the guardians have automatic weapons, and the rebels don't, simple as that, the guardians would mow down the rebellion before it even got under way. Marcus/Gatekeeper would make sure that the colony is rebellion proof

The only problem with that is the more people you gun down the less people you have to work. You probably right about people going to tower blindly. Still with the right radio band they can try contacting the tower once they get closer to the city. The colony is a different issue. As we know the structure of government they have is fear. Gatekeeper need to always keep a strong show of force,the guardians, or the whole thing may go in to chaos. And we still don't know if Marcus is dead. Marcus may ask the tower for help for all we know.

[Ra1th]

The only problem with that is the more people you gun down the less people you have to work. You probably right about people going to tower blindly. Still with the right radio band they can try contacting the tower once they get closer to the city.

well when your numbers are so high you can lose a few people and it will be fine, and the other thing is not everyone will rebel, and third after a strong show of force, aka gunning down your rebellion, and having a rebellion end in bloodshed and failure and futility, your rebels' spirit will be crushed.

The colony is a different issue. As we know the structure of government they have is fear. Gatekeeper need to always keep a strong show of force,the guardians, or the whole thing may go in to chaos.

we don't know how many guardians, and recon teams there are, at any given time there seems to be a heavy force of recon teams out in the world exploring, and scavenging for supplies. I don't think numbers is going to be a problem with the colony, also think of it this way, the colony is a dictatorship ruled by fear, with these types of governments, propaganda is often used to turn the minds of your enemies away from hating you and into hating someone else, in this case, MPKVHT made a ruckus, stole some ammo, and broke out, no doubt the gatekeeper will turn the minds of the colonists against the tower, blaming them for all their troubles. so no need to worry about a rebellion.[/QUOTE]

And we still don't know if Marcus is dead. Marcus may ask the tower for help for all we know.

THat's a long shot on many levels, one marcus has to be alive, which we dont know, then he has to somehow find the tower, which no one knows the actual location of, the only way the colony will actually find the tower is by sending their recon teams up to LA, and then have the comb the streets looking for survivors, Marcus can't really pull that off wihtout a sizeable army. Why would the tower help marcus even if he somehow managed to survive, and somehow managed to get to LA and somehow managed to find the tower? Michael hates marcus, the tower has its own problems, the tower couldnt fight the colony toe to toe. Besides if marcus was alive and trying to get his colony back he'd be better off going to another camp of survivors that was mentioned earlier, one that he actually knows the location of, not the twoer that he knows next to nothing about, that is probably actively hostile to him.

[Tyrone]

If you turn the awesome up any higher than it was on this chapter, I'm gonna get tinnitus!

[HomeGrown]

It may not be that difficult to find the tower. In the soup kitchen, Victor called Kelly "Burt", which verifies that Michael did call her that back in chapter 18. If I recall correctly, it sounded very much like Victor and/or Fernando got nervous upon hearing the name. I think this suggests that the colony has some level of communication with the mallers. Hell, maybe Gatekeeper came from the mall.

[nikvoodoo]

It may not be that difficult to find the tower. In the soup kitchen, Victor called Kelly "Burt", which verifies that Michael did call her that back in chapter 18. If I recall correctly, it sounded very much like Victor and/or Fernando got nervous upon hearing the name. I think this suggests that the colony has some level of communication with the mallers. Hell, maybe Gatekeeper came from the mall.

17-2 is the chapter you are referring to. Fernando got nervous because Victor was breaking protocol by not telling Marcus about encountering M/P/K. Victor sounds very collected when he decides to let them go. I don't think there's any contact between the Mallers and the Colony what so ever....for now. The Mallers don't think decisions through as thoroughly as they probably should. If they knew of the Colony, they would have already tried to move in (and then take over because they don't do so well with authority).

And if the Mallers did go south, I would say it would be one hell of a bloody revolution. It wouldn't be a surgical strike like Gatekeeper just orchestrated against Marcus. We have already seen how the Mallers handle their business and it's noisy, loud and destructive.

[clem131]

Kc has said that the reason each of chapter 19's installments were 25 minutes long is because he felt the colony story arc had gone on too long, and that he wanted to take the story back to the tower asap. So that's why, and as for the colony, i'll eat my hat if we've seen the last of them this season!

(Hi all, first post) Yeah, it seemed he overcommitted a little on time spent in the colony. As a result this episode felt rushed to me too. Also, I don't quite get how knowing Marcus was not a soldier acts like the firestarter for Gatekeeper's takeover. It seems to be the fact that the knowledge of the lie pushes some guards to switch sides, but for such a complicated operation Gatekeeper had already everything organized and sorted out, he did not need that, so it seemed a little too convenient to me. Just thoughts that crossed my mind while listening yesterday evening.
Anyway, I felt it rushed too but in the end it feels SO GOOD to be back at the tower, and Lizzy being kicked out is just the cherry on top. Don't mean to troll here, it's just that I hate the girl's attitude.
And I feel sorry for the elderly gentleman (Glenn? Don't remember, the radio guy).

[Robalypse]

Wow, is it me or has Kelly gone from an arrogant, entitled, bitchy lawyer to one bad ass lady? It's funny how I've gone completely from finding her to be a drag on the morale of all the survivor's to a key element to their survival.

It was great to hear Datu's voice again. I realize people find him annoying, but I love the dude. He's so emotive.

I saw someone mention earlier in the thread that the colony has no idea where the tower is, but that's forgetting that Michael sent out the CB message aimed to the North...