Chapter 19-2 Discussion

[HomeGrown]

It is possible that the tower received the CB message but their reply signal was too weak to be detected. Not sure how that would play out because Michael simply said they found help, not that they were prisoners.

[Zombiehead]

Nah, I don't see the Tower survivors fighting along side the Mallers. Thier alliance seems unbelievable to me. Sure Peggs made an attempt to reconcile with Scratch, but I don't see either parties wanting an alliance. The Mallers may come to the Tower with the guise of forming a team, but they would want nothing more than to scavenge what little the Tower has. The Tower survivors wouldn't be so stupid, especially with a proud, tough fellow like Burt in charge. No, I think Michael, Peggs, and Kelly are going to have to seek the help of friends they make inside the colony, or escape on thier own. But who knows? If I'm wrong and your predictions are right, you have my permission to say "I told you so."

Yes! Someone that agrees with me!

The Mallers have no reason thus far to help M/P/K or the Tower community. Even in the instance that they did, at the end of the scuffle, who gets to keep the doctor? The medical supplies? The guns? The food? Speaking of food, who gets to take care of the extra mouths to feed? At this point in the story, I can't see Scratch suddenly having a change of heart and saying "Thanks for giving me back my brother that you killed. I'll help you rescue the girl that killed him and split goods evenly." Even with a temporary alliance, the Maller's have shown they aren't the sharing type.

I can buy the idea which someone already mentioned that they could trick the Mallers into a fight with the Colony. The problem with that is innocent people would get caught up in the fray and probably lose valuable supplies in the process. People like Hope and maybe the Doctor could be killed in the crossfire unless M/P/K get to them first in the confusion. We don't know how fortified the Mallers actually are if they even play a part in this matter. I can speculate on Michael taking over the Colony as opposed to turning it into a warzone, but it's too early to tell since we don't know his fate yet. Victor showed that even though people aren't happy with the way things are, they can be fickle as soon as trouble strikes.

Michael needs to read Pegs' journal dangit!

There is only one solution, and that’s one giant bash where everything comes together.

Or just carry the action over into Season 3... as Season 1 did.

[nikvoodoo]

Michael needs to read Pegs' journal dangit!

Well he certainly has nothing but time at the moment...maybe that's what a portion of part 3 will focus on.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

OK. Michael is on my ish list AGAIN! what a dumb ass!
Several theories I had panned out and several went kaput! I was most def wrong about Marcus NOT being a killer..er, having people shot.
I was pretty sure they would simply be turned loose without supplies and left to fend for themselves (basically killing them).
I had also assumed that Marcus would only be able to maintain power if everyone was drinking his kookaide and had informants.. yep, and Michael struts right into the hornets nest loud as can be and f'n singles out Victor!
There also had to be a group or council to help Marcus maintain "order." That turned out to be true. They all seem to have their lackies too.

It would have been nice for Mike to drink a big cup of STFU and work from the inside out and build a powerbase. Right now, the has no leg to stand on because he's already told every Tom, Dick and Harry that he and Marcus served together. His credibility is shot now, so he really can't hold that trump card to tightly. He did get Marcus to pause though.

The dogs and Marcus was very, very telling. Paranoia? Enemies at the gates? Yep!

[Ra1th]

I saw this earlier, but I was on a phone all day, and I thought it would be a lot easier if I just waited till I got to a computer.

The Mallers have no reason thus far to help M/P/K or the Tower community. Even in the instance that they did, at the end of the scuffle, who gets to keep the doctor? The medical supplies? The guns? The food? Speaking of food, who gets to take care of the extra mouths to feed? At this point in the story, I can't see Scratch suddenly having a change of heart and saying "Thanks for giving me back my brother that you killed. I'll help you rescue the girl that killed him and split goods evenly." Even with a temporary alliance, the Maller's have shown they aren't the sharing type.

Look I’m not saying the mallers and the tower are gonna be buddy buddy with each other. They have serious differences, and that’s not going to change, BUT the enemy of my enemy is my enemy, The USSR and the US were once upon a time ALLIED because of the common threat of nazi germany, that doesn’t mean we were bffs with the soviets, it was a temporary alliance for mutual benefit.

I can buy the idea which someone already mentioned that they could trick the Mallers into a fight with the Colony. The problem with that is innocent people would get caught up in the fray and probably lose valuable supplies in the process. People like Hope and maybe the Doctor could be killed in the crossfire unless M/P/K get to them first in the confusion. We don't know how fortified the Mallers actually are if they even play a part in this matter. I can speculate on Michael taking over the Colony as opposed to turning it into a warzone, but it's too early to tell since we don't know his fate yet. Victor showed that even though people aren't happy with the way things are, they can be fickle as soon as trouble strikes.

Aaaand this is of course the weakness of the maller/tower war on the colony theory, the innocent colonials get royally screwed over, but hey, life’s a bitch

Or just carry the action over into Season 3... as Season 1 did.

Season 1 did carry over the action into season 2, BUT season 1 also had a distinct climax where all the pieces of the puzzle that we’d seen over the season came together into one giant bash. If you were to carry the action over into season 3, then what would the climax for season 2 be? I’ll admit, I liked nikvoodoo’s theory on having the season 2 finale be contained within the revolution of the colony, and then have the season end on the note that when MPK got back to the tower, it was in ruins, and season cliff hanger. That would be a hell of a way to kick off season 3, but in the process season 2 would get the short end of the stick. The entire first HALF of season 2, would have been basically for nothing, The tower’s desperate situation, looking for somewhere new to live, running out of food and water, saul on his deathbed. what kind of season 2 finale would completely ignore these things, and just focus the colony? That would be bullshit! It would have been like, hey we’re gonna make the ENTIRE season 2, a setup so that season 3 will be amazing. That would fail on soo many levels. So far season 2 , with the exception of the angel/behemoth fight, has been one giant character development arc, there has been barely any action! Especially compared to season 1. I’ve pretty much justified this hoping that all this buildup of pressure will lead to one giant blow out of awesome kick-assery. Man I’d just be so disappointed if the season ended with a fizzle and not a bang. And not just some revolution in the colony with humans fighting humans, I want some zombies up in this bitch! When the season ends, there better be fireworks. I really miss the tower, and ALL THE OTHER CHARACTERS! Would looove to seem em before season 3…

[nikvoodoo]

I disagree ra1th with your assessment of the end of the season being bull shit if my theory comes true....if they show up and everything is gone, that'll put your butt in the seat so to speak for the kick off of season 3 because you'll be dying to know what happened. It would be brilliant (albeit aggravating as a listener) story telling.

[Zombiehead]

Look I’m not saying the mallers and the tower are gonna be buddy buddy with each other. They have serious differences, and that’s not going to change, BUT the enemy of my enemy is my enemy, The USSR and the US were once upon a time ALLIED because of the common threat of nazi germany, that doesn’t mean we were bffs with the soviets, it was a temporary alliance for mutual benefit.

I think you misunderstood that part of my response. I agreed that if there is a temporary alliance resulting in a fight to the death with the Colony, the two sides will be inclined to go their own way if they win. My point was to which looter go the spoils when both party's are hurting for supplies and one is highly untrustworthy.

I think you meant "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

[Ra1th]

Oh whoa my bad haha. Yeah the spoils thing would be an issue too. Maybe tanya could pretend to not be a doctor? Im back on a phone so i cant type mch. Oh well at this point i jst rly wanna see the tower again... Even datu... Maaybe

Nikvoodoo, if it happened ur way season 3 would be great but all of season 2 would have been build up to like No pay off other than a cliff hanger. And u said it urself there has to be a balance of both char. Dev. And action. We cant have season 2 be all char dev and season 3 be a michael bay mOvie. Not to mention a season finale without the tower would leave sooooo many open endings from the first half of the season

[nikvoodoo]

Oh whoa my bad haha. Yeah the spoils thing would be an issue too. Maybe tanya could pretend to not be a doctor? Im back on a phone so i cant type mch. Oh well at this point i jst rly wanna see the tower again... Even datu... Maaybe

Nikvoodoo, if it happened ur way season 3 would be great but all of season 2 would have been build up to like No pay off other than a cliff hanger. And u said it urself there has to be a balance of both char. Dev. And action. We cant have season 2 be all char dev and season 3 be a michael bay mOvie. Not to mention a season finale without the tower would leave sooooo many open endings from the first half of the season

true, but if the colony goes into full revolt, you get your action payoff, and can still Have the cliff hanger.

[Ra1th]

There better be some sweat bottles and some zomvie action involved. Still the sooner we r dOne with colony and back to the tower the better. Id hope they address the saul dying issue sooner rather than later tho