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    Bullet proof is a default term we use when we really mean bullet resistant. By being thicker, it's almost like they are equipped with light weight kevlar vests.

    Now to you naysayers of the Inklings smarts:

    Just because TOWTM had a hard time entering in the code doesn't make him less intelligent. It simply means his fine motor skills have deteriorated. It's not like he's going to need to knit in the near future. He might need to swing wildly into the air and decapitate someone though. That's not a fine motor skill...that's just skillz yo.

    We haven't seen Inklings in action all that much. We haven't seen how they attempt to protect themselves other than what their bodies do for them. The "ducking" zombie was a regular and we've agreed that was survival instinct which any animal would exhibit. Unless we can read their minds, we don't know if the ones that were shredded might have been attempting to lure the helicopter down in order to attack them. We did however see the one that hid in the trees, and continually ducked in and out of the forest line to attack its victims. If you say that's an animal instinct too, I'd say that predators that are in over their heads run away at the Inkling at the crash site had an escape path directly behind it. They don't regroup and attack unless you back them into a corner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikvoodoo View Post
    Bullet proof is a default term we use when we really mean bullet resistant. By being thicker, it's almost like they are equipped with light weight kevlar vests.

    Now to you naysayers of the Inklings smarts:

    Just because TOWTM had a hard time entering in the code doesn't make him less intelligent. It simply means his fine motor skills have deteriorated. It's not like he's going to need to knit in the near future. He might need to swing wildly into the air and decapitate someone though. That's not a fine motor skill...that's just skillz yo.

    We haven't seen Inklings in action all that much. We haven't seen how they attempt to protect themselves other than what their bodies do for them. The "ducking" zombie was a regular and we've agreed that was survival instinct which any animal would exhibit. Unless we can read their minds, we don't know if the ones that were shredded might have been attempting to lure the helicopter down in order to attack them. We did however see the one that hid in the trees, and continually ducked in and out of the forest line to attack its victims. If you say that's an animal instinct too, I'd say that predators that are in over their heads run away at the Inkling at the crash site had an escape path directly behind it. They don't regroup and attack unless you back them into a corner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamKerrington View Post
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    Yeah, there is no reason to argue about what you stress there.

    To clarify: It only is at least my best guess that Little Ones retain some of their former-life knowledge. And I basically root it back to their very different behaviour compared with what we saw on the Regulars so far. This implies understanding of their surrounding, understanding of the actions of their victims, understanding of the concepts of hierarchy, order and speech to some degree in order to let Ink treat them like he did (sit down, let's cut your nails, let's mark you with this new stylish tattoo...).
    I also establish an analogy to the Smart Ones that are smarter most likely because they retain some intelligence and knowledge from their former human life making them a lot more dangerous then Regulars. We saw Smart Ones in action (using a fire ladder, observing and using a rope between two buildings), we learned about them from Burt and Duncan, and considering how the 'one zombie' dealt with the rope between The Tower and the neighbooring building (observing it, understanding it, using it to try getting to The Tower before it was cut) I conclude they have normal eyes as well, because it looked at / observed / analyzed the rope.
    And "normal eyes" is something we have had on any smarter acting zombie so far - Smart Ones, Bill Robert and Little Ones.

    About Ink:
    Yes, it took him several tries until he opened the code-locked door. Right. Did he reactivate old knowledge about numbers and complex devices? Or did he just have some trouble using knowledge of the past like he had some trouble speaking with Michael, Saul and Burt (I am Paul, help us)?Or did he learn the concepts of numbers and complex devices? I vote for answering: first question more likely, second question as likely, third question less likely. Regardless of whatever question you support: afterwards he was able of using numbers to mark Little Ones. Concepts of numbers and usage of complex devices is nothing you just learn on the fly because you are around ...

    Bottomline: Zeds act a lot more like animals or rabies infected animals being in a frenzy then like humans; and yet there are some differences between pure animalistic and zombie-like behaviour - even up until now. And although their is no fact pointing towards it, I strongly believe that even Regulars may, Smart Ones, Little Ones and Bill Robert do retain some of the knowledge of their former human self and act accordingly. Specialist Robbins supports this by calling them "soldier versions" - does he refer to the special capabilities of this breed of zombies or their overall behaviour? Considering that probably many to most of the Little Ones in Boulder were soldiers before the Infections the comparison with soldiers makes me vote for "behaviour", which again could, if not would, mean they retain some of their skills and knowledge from their former human-soldier-life, which is heavily, but not completely suppressed by the zombie-effect.

    Important edit: Also I have trouble considering the going down of power and communication as the first two things in Boulder being just coincidence, which is why I support the idea that Griggs took these things down - either by himself or by making other zombies do this; any why would a zombie with an just animalistic behavior go for these stations, of there are plenty of buildings and streets available which have like 150.000 human brains available. There 'needs to be' some kind of rudimentary understanding on the side of Zombie-Griggs that these two stations are of utmost importance for the humans at this place. And such understanding would only be able, if there is still some knowledge about it in the back of his head. /important edit.

    Assumptions. Best guess. Nothing more.

    All the best!
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    I wonder how the zombies communicate with each other. If they still possess a rudimentary intelligence - which it would most certainly take to sabotage two of Boulder's most vital defense elements - it just seems impossible to do what they did merely by grunting and growling. Moreover, they display simple but effective strategies like hunting in packs. Since none of characters overheard a conversation between two zombies, they even might communicate without human audibility limits. Hey, that is only a vague guess, but Griggs and his companions showed indeed some finesse and cunning planning.

    What are your thoughts on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper View Post
    Careful Nikvoodoo, KJ may have the Number ones wearing ugly Christmas sweater, made by Papa Ink, before the end of the series just to one up you.
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    Wow, I wake up to a morning of awesome ideas and fresh perspectives. Too bad I have to dash off.
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    As far as the other Inklings (besides #2) ducking bullets, perhaps a better choice of words would be, 'staying out of harms way.' The little ones at the reserve base hid in the shadows until Angel turned his back. Roman ran off and waited until Saul, Glenn, Victor and Pete exited the school. One wounded blackhawk soldier was trying to make it to the tree line. Number 12 was killed during an attack and the two turned ones on the ground were investigating a noise (probably not knowing that thy were in danger)
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    Quote Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek View Post
    I wonder how the zombies communicate with each other. If they still possess a rudimentary intelligence - which it would most certainly take to sabotage two of Boulder's most vital defense elements - it just seems impossible to do what they did merely by grunting and growling. Moreover, they display simple but effective strategies like hunting in packs. Since none of characters overheard a conversation between two zombies, they even might communicate without human audibility limits. Hey, that is only a vague guess, but Griggs and his companions showed indeed some finesse and cunning planning.

    What are your thoughts on that?
    We know about two distinct ways of *SNIP*

    Wait, this goes too far off-topic, I guess, which is why I transferred my reply to the Discussions => Zombie Theories section

    And the result of this - again, my fault - wall of words would be this:
    And this would enable them to somehow-ish organize or give structure to their in-Boulder-attacks.

    All the best!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamKerrington View Post
    Hi.

    Important edit: Also I have trouble considering the going down of power and communication as the first two things in Boulder being just coincidence, which is why I support the idea that Griggs took these things down - either by himself or by making other zombies do this; any why would a zombie with an just animalistic behavior go for these stations, of there are plenty of buildings and streets available which have like 150.000 human brains available. There 'needs to be' some kind of rudimentary understanding on the side of Zombie-Griggs that these two stations are of utmost importance for the humans at this place. And such understanding would only be able, if there is still some knowledge about it in the back of his head. /important edit.

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    I believe I heard / read that the comm station was outside of the city. Along side a path leading toward the city if memory serves right?
    If that is true ^ and I am not just making this up (who knows maybe I dreamt the location of the comm station) than it could be argued he took it out on his way to Boulder. Just bad placement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullethead View Post
    I believe I heard / read that the comm station was outside of the city. Along side a path leading toward the city if memory serves right?
    If that is true ^ and I am not just making this up (who knows maybe I dreamt the location of the comm station) than it could be argued he took it out on his way to Boulder. Just bad placement.
    I am not sure either. But what would this tell us? That Little Ones not only seek fresh meat to feed upon, but also rampaging against things 'cause things are just in the way? "Oh, look! A transformer station! Let's kick it!" Funny idea. I still guess, even if an important infrastructure building/ station is outside Boulder and zombies/ Little Ones destroy them, they would do it on purpose - either because they 'understand' the nature and importance of it for the humans in Boulder or maybe (!) due to the electromagnetic radiation ... Now, THAT is interesting ... Coincidence gets some weight all of a sudden ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamKerrington View Post
    I am not sure either. But what would this tell us? That Little Ones not only seek fresh meat to feed upon, but also rampaging against things 'cause things are just in the way? "Oh, look! A transformer station! Let's kick it!" Funny idea. I still guess, even if an important infrastructure building/ station is outside Boulder and zombies/ Little Ones destroy them, they would do it on purpose - either because they 'understand' the nature and importance of it for the humans in Boulder or maybe (!) due to the electromagnetic radiation ... Now, THAT is interesting ... Coincidence gets some weight all of a sudden ...
    I'm wondering if they are also watching how many they are converting in zombies and how many they keeping for food. It would be a big issue if they convert all of Boulder and are left without food. That would also leave enough people that allow a rescue by Fort Erwin.
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    Something to note... I do not think that Griggs, if it was Griggs, is turning all the people he attacks in to Inklings. Why would I say this? Well, at about 11:45 as Datu and Hope are being heard Hope says "What do you think happened? Some got in, the others froze up." Leads me to believe that an Inkling can turn 'x' amount in to Inklings and the rest in to regulars. Is it selective? Does an Inkling grab a human and decide to itself "Inkling, Regular, or Lunch?" Remember, Capt Long was snacked on and not turned. If an Inkling can only make 'x' amount of Inklings then the outlook is not so bleak in my opinion. Also, if an Inkling can make unlimited Inklings why would there be any that are freezing up?


    Also, the new super assault team... Cross, Puck, Robbins, Carl, Riely, and Tanya. Cross is in charge with an M-4 and a 45 cal sidearm, Puck is second with an M-4 and 9mm, Robbins is the saw gunner, Carl and Riely are soldiers are packing M-4's with 9mm sidearms, and Tanya is the medic sporting an M-4 and a 9mm sidearm. Yep... I can see it now.
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