Chapter 33-3 Red Winter

[IamPaul]

O yea I called it! (At least the zed making it's way to Boulder) I'm so excited, i'm so excited, i'm so......scared (for the future of Boulder and our friends there).

[Robzombie]

Kinda jumpin the gun dontcha think??? Only thing thats happened is a loss of comms, and were left to think that mayyyybeeee the worst has happened. I,d find it really hard to fathom how a secured city thats kept 150,000 people safe can lose it all from one zombie no matter how special it may be or relaxed the guards are....they would perk up real quick...unless that zombie was able to somehow sneak in or wasnt recognized as a zombie.
Nah, i think this is classic cliffhanger story telling in action, and there is some other story with whats happened to Griggs.

[Drannix99]

This is my first Forum post so here we go.

This last episode was crazy tense. I sat through most of the episode half expecting LO#2 to rise from the autopsy table and attack. That being said...we are drawing close to the end of the season and we have three locations that need to be unified and/or connected in some sort of way before season's end. Because we are learning so much about the numbered ones and interest in them is growing among the characters... I believe that the colony will remain intact to an extent, because we have to return to LA eventually. We are gonna return to a bolder under attack where we are gonna learn just how fast new numbered ones can be created and spread as well as there capabilities, which I suspect will be . A team being sent to bolder will encounter the LOs. Bolder is gonna crumble with only a hand full of survivors making it out alive.

[LiamKerrington]

I wonder what is involved in the 'turning' process. Specifically the outward appearances as viewed by others. Right now I can think of only a handful of instances where we witness someone turning in real-time.

1. Tommy
2. Fernando
3. The three Blackhawk soldiers.
4. * Riley gives an account of people turning in Chapter 1 part 2. NOTE: Not everyone turned at the same rate.
5. * Some of the members of the Mallers' arena convoy turn while they're under attack, but we don't see this happen.

Maybe add "Roman" in brackets; Glenn reported Roman being attacked by a little one and recognized him later as having become a little one.

Does anyone remember an instance or description of someone turning via bite before Fernando? How did Tommy's sister, Sally? Susie? Turn?

We know you can turn from bites, blood exchange, and something from ground zero. What about the 'slow turner?' We don't know if this person was exposed at one point and turned like the others weeks later or was gradually turning throughout the duration. If the latter, then could this person have described the process from a Z's perspective or would this person go through changes like mood swings and not be aware of it. Also, from Riley's account, not everyone sprayed with Z-blood turned right away. Perhaps, not only do different Zs spread the infection through different means but different people catch it in different ways.

What if the Ground Zero vector is airborne? How about the Blackhawk Inkling? Pvt Thomas, Michael, Tanya, Riley and possibly Puck all got a good whiff of Z-Funk when they opened the body bag. This brings me to the odd pissing match between Michael and Carl. Mike's been calmer lately but his combativeness is not out of the ordinary. Carl was the most aggressive as he had shown his aggressiveness to a superior. Riley is on anger-management pills. Tanya may have some sort of immunity. Puck's from NYC so anything he says will seem angry. Pus Carl has had the most exposure.

If there is a problem in Boulder it could have come from the Blackhawk and not Griggs.

Interesting.
May have slipped my might: Do we really have a witnessing of human => gets bitten => turns? As I understood it it is just an assumption of most of us that biting leads to infection. From CJ we only know the estimate that something strange might have changed one of her The Other Town dudes; but she was not crystall clear on what exactly happened to him, so it could have been a spar between him and some kind of zombie at ground zero OR the odd anti-biosphere at that location OR both ...
Your differentiation actually supports an early attempt of an explanation that turning depends on the bloodtype; recently there was a mentioning of different kinds of zed-agents leading to zed-mutation.

Besides this I would like to stress the hint that - considering the weak teeth of #2 - Little Ones seem to infect their victims different from what Regulars do. Glenn only spoke of an attack on Roman, and the two the red-shirts at the Chinook Side were just attacked and we don't have a description about how the Little One infected them; basically this is why I thought, Cpt. Long would change within the Chinook, which did not occur.

All the best!
Liam

[LiamKerrington]

Kinda jumpin the gun dontcha think??? Only thing thats happened is a loss of comms, and were left to think that mayyyybeeee the worst has happened. I,d find it really hard to fathom how a secured city thats kept 150,000 people safe can lose it all from one zombie no matter how special it may be or relaxed the guards are....they would perk up real quick...unless that zombie was able to somehow sneak in or wasnt recognized as a zombie.
Nah, i think this is classic cliffhanger story telling in action, and there is some other story with whats happened to Griggs.

Don't forget: L.A. was downed in less then a day. And in 2009 L.A. was a city with more then 3.5 Million people - not accounting for the folks from the environ coming to L.A. for business and jobs etc. And it was not like the way that after that day there were 3.5 Million zeds roaming the streets of L.A. Also the initial attack started at a rather small area/ location of the town.
1.5 days later all of the continental US was overrun by Zeds ... Back then the US had about 307 Million residents.

Considering the features of a Little One I could imagine that it could wrack havoc in Boulder in no time. Strategy would be simple:
Attack small groups of people, wound and infect as many as possible, jump/ run away, hide a few minutes, attack the next group; in the meantime the number of Little Ones litteraly explodes. Since the military dudes would react directly most of the military force would focus on this attack like what all the police and military personell did in L.A., which means: As soon as the men are downed, the city/ rescue camp of Boulder would b defenseless. And don't forget: there are/ were not that many soldiers around ...

So: Yeah, it is a frightening scheme, but considering what happened so far it is not even unlikely ...

[Witch_Doctor]

May have slipped my might: Do we really have a witnessing of human => gets bitten => turns? As I understood it it is just an assumption of most of us that biting leads to infection.

Yes, Fernando is bitten when he, Victor, Michael, Pegs and Kelly are escaping from the Zs outside of the Colony.

Besides this I would like to stress the hint that - considering the weak teeth of #2 - Little Ones seem to infect their victims different from what Regulars do. Glenn only spoke of an attack on Roman, and the two the red-shirts at the Chinook Side were just attacked and we don't have a description about how the Little One infected them; basically this is why I thought, Cpt. Long would change within the Chinook, which did not occur.

I agree. Think about all of the decomposition gases fermenting inside Inkling #2. (What a shitty name for a zombie, Inkling #2) They open the bag, and everybody gets a whiff. Later, in the O.R. Riley can't take the smell but Tanya barely notices. Everyone coughs at some point, EXCEPT Tanya. I'd hate to have surgery in that O.R. after the autopsy. In Beyond our Boarders, Carl says that turned blood was compared to normal blood but no differences were found. Gases are beginning to sound like a vector, too.

What about James of Sean, Hope and James fame? Depending on when Kalani landed in L.A., James could have been the slow turner mentioned by her. It's been repeated a number of times that he died of some sort infection.

[lr42186]

My immediate thought during the autopsy when Tanya started mentioning how undeveloped #2 was, was the idea that Ink was using little kids for his experiments. Which, in hindsight, fits with the original idea of them starting out as Little Ones... So, then could their explosion into Inklings be considered a sort of chemical/Ink-induced zombie puberty?

[Witch_Doctor]

INKLINGs

[clem131]

Kc spoke about this earlier in the thread. He didn't read the report because it had just arrived with the body from CO. It wasn't explained well.

Probably this is what Michael should have said, then. "What? It just arrived, was I supposed to read it during the memorial service?!"

[clem131]

I thought we agreed we'd call them Inklings. What's with all this ALDO crap? It sounds like dog food!!

No way, the first thing Inklings brings to mind is JRR Tolkien, CS Lewis and their pals. I just can't think of this tall monsters with long nails while my mind recalls images of middle aged british gentlemen smoking a pipe in a pub.