Chapter 33-3 Red Winter

[Privateer]

Oh, and before I forget, props on the music in the Beginning of the Episode. It was delightfully retro and gave the feeling of dark pulpy adventure. So, props to that little bit of atmosphere during Michael's VO.

[Kc]

Oh, and before I forget, props on the music in the Beginning of the Episode. It was delightfully retro and gave the feeling of dark pulpy adventure. So, props to that little bit of atmosphere during Michael's VO.

Thanks. We used that a lot in the first season. It's sorta retro for us

[Hoff4D]

I also just want to note that in Part 2 we're getting a direct report from Robbins, yet he didnt come back on this plane to Ft. Irwin (or so it seems in his absence with something he had hands on bringing back)

So my assumption, based on the syntax we're subscribed to via the journals and such, Robbins is either a last surviving member of the Boulder crew, or Boulder is fine and merely offline due to a storm power outage, ADLO-Griggs knocking out a power/communications hub, cuz its super smart (read: Burt from Season 1 pointing out smart ones have badges from Radon labs, and Skittles pointing out to avoid doctors offices and Bookstores, as they are smarter) and a good amount of knowledge to begin with, MAY be retained in zombie form, so Griggs knows where to go, and how to attack, OR my favorite theory, as stated before, a distressed 2-week strung out near-dead Griggs on the run shoots out some comm lines in a last ditch effort to get attention and get saved.

[Privateer]

I also just want to note that in Part 2 we're getting a direct report from Robbins, yet he didnt come back on this plane to Ft. Irwin (or so it seems in his absence with something he had hands on bringing back)

So my assumption, based on the syntax we're subscribed to via the journals and such, Robbins is either a last surviving member of the Boulder crew, or Boulder is fine and merely offline due to a storm power outage, ADLO-Griggs knocking out a power/communications hub, cuz its super smart (read: Burt from Season 1 pointing out smart ones have badges from Radon labs, and Skittles pointing out to avoid doctors offices and Bookstores, as they are smarter) and a good amount of knowledge to begin with, MAY be retained in zombie form, so Griggs knows where to go, and how to attack, OR my favorite theory, as stated before, a distressed 2-week strung out near-dead Griggs on the run shoots out some comm lines in a last ditch effort to get attention and get saved.

Or Robbins sent his report back with the other report on the plane to Irwin. There /is/ a storm, but its a question as to if KC plans on making Boulder go boom, thus destroying the only signifigant survivor population, or if we're going to get a tense time as the team hunts down Griggs. Or maybe, becauase of the storm, their chopper goes down, and they have to survive until rescued. Or yes, maybe we get The Gray 2 starring Griggs. Actually, that'd be the most awesome....

Actually, the other zombies were still milling outside the helicoptor. If Griggs had been turned, wouldn't he have stuck around too?

[nikvoodoo]

Pfft....this pisode sucked....................

I had thoughts of independence day during the autopsy, but it was only fleeting. Ever hear that court room transcript of the lawyer asking the coroner if the "patient" may have been alive at the time of their autopsy? Coroner says no. Lawyer says how can you be sure? Coroner says the subject's brain was removed and on a scale on his desk. Lawyer says so its possible. Coroner replied sure I guess he could have been practicing law.

Long way of saying once the organs started to be shifted I had no fears.

I'm glad kimmet finally listened. Does suck that he's too late. But now we know how we got Mr. adult friend finders journal/log. Which i now see privateer beat me too it. If we hear from boulder before a team is sent, I'll be surprised if it isn't "found footage". But at the least Pegs survives to keep my dream alive

[Hoff4D]

Pfft....this pisode sucked....................

I had thoughts of independence day during the autopsy, but it was only fleeting. Ever hear that court room transcript of the lawyer asking the coroner if the "patient" may have been alive at the time of their autopsy? Coroner says no. Lawyer says how can you be sure? Coroner says the subject's brain was removed and on a scale on his desk. Lawyer says so its possible. Coroner replied sure I guess he could have been practicing law.

Long way of saying once the organs started to be shifted I had no fears.

I'm glad kimmet finally listened. Does suck that he's too late. But now we know how we got Mr. adult friend finders journal/log. Which i now see privateer beat me too it. If we hear from boulder before a team is sent, I'll be surprised if it isn't "found footage". But at the least Pegs survives to keep my dream alive

Yep, my bad, that report could definitely be delivered back now that you've pointed that out.... I'm still standing by (As privateer so eloquently put it) the Grey 2 theory tho, lol

[Privateer]

Another note. We kinda got an impression of Kimmet's leadership style in this episode, and apparently its asshole to the men. Now, of course, hes grieving, his neice is dead, but he can't bother to glance at a soldiers name tape, is dissmissive of their concerns, and,while he'd recognize Tanya, the one soldier in his command with a French accent he doesn't seem to bother recalling at all, despite Michael's discussion of getting her out into the field. Kinda a stretch, but, he seems very dissmissive of most ideas coming from his own damn intelligence Sergeant. "More LA stories, collaborated through timely, written accounts and interviews with like, 6 survivors? Come back when a soldier who hasn't been there before spends a few days and puts it on a map."

[ferroaj]

I also thought about how the LO's eyes were normal compared to regulars. Also when Ink was in the tower Michael described his eyes as being bright green. It seems that Ink and the Little Ones have normal eyes. Maybe some importance maybe not. Thoughts?

Eyes are traditionally "windows to the soul". In the LO's case, their eyes are still clear, which is why I'm thinking these are some human/zombie hybrid. They still have a hint of clarity, of humanity. We don't have much evidence of it, but I believe the Little Ones are really smart. Eyes also communicate intelligence--think to all of the people who describe an encounter with a whale or dolphin "you can just look into its eyes and you know that it's thinking". I think they're perfectly capable of learning, planning, using tools and technology. Plus, they're developing physically and it only makes sense that they'd be developing mentally too. It's possible that the transition from human to LO just resets all of the synapses of their brains. The infection grows valves and arteries on hearts, so rewiring a brain isn't too farfetched. It's almost like they're children all over again -- relearning how to manipulate their environments to get the outcomes they want. From then on, it's operant conditioning. Good behaviors get repeated; You learn from what you observe, so sit in the shadows or hang in the trees and watch. If they can still understand the concept of death (something a normal zombie doesn't even consider), they can feel danger, maybe even fear, which would further encourage careful planning and risk analysis.

I'm pretty stuck on the idea that Ink is their creator, and we know there are at least 12, right? I love the idea that we have NO idea how many he's created. He could still be creating and numbering away in his lab. The fact that Ink numbers his creations intrigues me. Normally, things that you care about (even lab subjects) have names. Numbers are the opposite of humanizing. Numbers are for criminals and masses. The Jews in Auschwitz were tattooed with numbers, too. The human survivors are clinging to names as a societal comfort, and they get uncomfortable when that is taken away, like Kimmet's refusal to read Carl's nametag.

So what if their selection isn't so much an honor. Maybe it's a punishment. It could explain the self-inflicted wounds too. It could be repentance, a pain response, a response to psychological trauma, who knows? Maybe retaining some humanity is actually a curse for the special ones... Maybe they can still feel all their human emotions?

[Condor]

Something doesn't smell right to me with regards to the Boulder situation. I find it hard to believe that the last word from them was only two hours prior to them finding out about Griggs.

Not only that but if Griggs had attacked, surely someone, somewhere, would've reported some form of a mayday to Irwin. How can (and I quote) 'all of their systems' be offline after a one-zombie attack; without even one 'emergency code' being sent to Irwin?

Unless I've grossly underestimated zombie Griggs I cannot see how he can wipe out an entire colony without word getting out.

Short of an EMP, which I doubt, it does seem hard to believe all systems go out at once. Maybe knocking out power would kill phones, computers, telegraph, etc. but what about satellite phones, seems logical someone would get off a SOS.


Until proven wrong, I'm still inclined to think there was more than 1 cling-on outside the Chinook. They did say there were 5 holes which were all assumed to be made by #2, but maybe not. Maybe there's more than Griggs roaming near Boulder.

[Mikey Famine]

Anyone else hold their breath during the autopsy? I was waiting on every single syllable that came out of Tanya's mouth.