Chapter 33-3 Red Winter

[EpiEpee]

What was the antibiotic given to Saul? Pinstripes was in a hospital... Could have been dumping far too many meds, and created antibiotic resistent strains?

I'm pretty sure Saul was on Vancomycin, which is a different class of antibiotic. I didn't go back and relisten though, so could be wrong. The hospital would certainly have both a tetracycline agent and Vanc on hand, along with other antibiotics.

Also, further thinking...I think fluoride may cause yellowing of bones in high exposures. And it certainly hardens them. Could have been in the haze as a gas!

[Privateer]

What about sulfur? Sulfur is yellow ... That was actually the first thing that struck me when Tanya spoke of yellow bones ...
Just an idea: What, if this whole Zombie-stuff is kind of hell let loose on earth? Like kinda doom-style and stuff ... Would explain the outbreak in many parts of the US as well as the world; would explain the deep cracks in the earth; would explain the weird conditions around ground zero; would explain the bitter and vile evilness everywhere; would explain the different types of zombies (like rooted in different demons and stuff ...).

Given how straight KC's played the story so far... Its really hard to say the cause, but I want to doubt the supernatural. It doesn't fit into the world we're looking at. Then again, the cracks in the earth are strange too, because it involves something that causes difficulty breathibg in one person, but not another, that could case the disease, but not in everyone... is strange. What ever has caused the disease is going to be something intereasting. Its probably not hell or a military experiment, but, yes. What /is/ it?

[Penguine]

It might not matter that much to Michael but it might matter to others. I understand totally Michael and his military vibe, I lived it for 21 years, but there is a time and a place for you to be friendly with your subordinate and keep them in line at other times. LIke when she is popping off in the dining hall. He should of shut her down. He basically gave her stage to say what she wanted in front of the dinning hall. He could of shut her down then took her aside and let her vent. There are certain things you do behind closed doors, and certain things you do in the open. Just bad form on her part acting like that, and bad form on his part for letting her do it.

[Penguine]

I'm pretty sure Saul was on Vancomycin, which is a different class of antibiotic. I didn't go back and relisten though, so could be wrong. The hospital would certainly have both a tetracycline agent and Vanc on hand, along with other antibiotics.

Momma put him on two meds... Vancomycin and Clendomycin. Both through an IV.

[Privateer]

I'm pretty sure Saul was on Vancomycin, which is a different class of antibiotic. I didn't go back and relisten though, so could be wrong. The hospital would certainly have both a tetracycline agent and Vanc on hand, along with other antibiotics.

Also, further thinking...I think fluoride may cause yellowing of bones in high exposures. And it certainly hardens them. Could have been in the haze as a gas!

.... Dear God you may be onto something. Of course, it doesn't explain how the condition is so contagious... Perhaps the condition itself causes a buildup of Flouride? (a big change, but, well, zombies themselves are well changed enough already!) Or maybe the excess haze /caused the Little Ones somehow.

[LiamKerrington]

Looking at this discussion I wonder:
#2 was probably one of the 1st gen LOs ... And she has those yellow bones.
I wonder:
Since the infected LOs, so the 2nd gen or later ones, change so rapidly from human to zombie, do their bones change likewise? Based upon the discussion so far this should not be the case, because the 2nd gen LOs did not have the same treatment like the 1st gen supposedly had ...
On the contrary: Since the 2nd gen LOs seem to establish similar abilities (bullet proff skin, loss of pigments in the skin, ongoing process of changes (Roman), etc.), it would be kind of odd, if there bones would not change into yellow bones ... Therefore 'yellow' might be the result of redistribution of body substances or minerals or whatnot ...

[LiamKerrington]

at chain of command and stuff: I find it kind of weird, if Michael is meant to ground Riley for her behavior, because actually he is acting quite disturbingly different from what he is supposed to do regarding his position in relation to Col. Kimmet ...
I think Michael is doin' a good job with Riley - yeah, not the military style, but more the "comrade-style" considering their shared history in this zeeh-pocalypse; and keep in mind: as soon as Michael was ordered into active service, one of the first things he said was something along this line: "It's cool, I am not so in for all this formalism ..."

All the best!
Liam

[Cabbage Patch]

I had hoped that Griggs hadn't been turned, based on the slim reed that he was the last possible witness to the conversation at the LZ in Long Beach. Guess I got that one wrong. Or did I? Several people have discussed the possiblity that ADLOs might retain some of their knowledge from when they were human. What if it goes deeper than that, and some or all of their personality/intellect survive? Could it be possible to communicate with one?

[Penguine]

No one has mentioned the ADLO's heart. They way Tonya described it as being larger with extra arteries. That would be a genetic change. Would also give one hell of a lot of enduarnce. She didn't mention the lungs though.. Oh, but she did say fill em with enough holes and they die. So What makes these different then all the ones that were not dying early on from body shots? I remember Micheal saying that body shots were ineffective but head shots seemed to drop them like flies, but this ADLO was not head shot, just shot to hell with the mini-gun.

[Privateer]

No one has mentioned the ADLO's heart. They way Tonya described it as being larger with extra arteries. That would be a genetic change. Would also give one hell of a lot of enduarnce. She didn't mention the lungs though.. Oh, but she did say fill em with enough holes and they die. So What makes these different then all the ones that were not dying early on from body shots? I remember Micheal saying that body shots were ineffective but head shots seemed to drop them like flies, but this ADLO was not head shot, just shot to hell with the mini-gun.

Max Brooks has this one, I think. The zombies are immune to pain and shcok response, but still require everything people need, biologically. A, headshot turns it all off. Enough shots to the torso will do the trick, but a, shot to the lungs or liver or kidnies isn't going to stop them like it stops a human, right then, anyway. I don't beleive we've heard stories of zombies in WA crawling about with no lower half, after a long period.

This doesn't explain how the biters in other areas continue when their food supply runs out.