Chapter 33-2 Red Winter

[Robzombie]

Understandable. I don't know if the procedures are the same all over the world, but I do know that in the United States, and in California, a plastic bracelet is used, as well as a chart and label on the infant bassinet. The only ink applied to the children might be if the parents want the infants footprint. They also prick the bottom of the foot to check the blood. As far as I know, no ink is applied to the child's arm. Identifiers are bracelets and charts.

I hear ya, my four kids got a plastic ankle bracelet, no tatoos or anything.

Aren't your hospitals private, which would mean to me that not all procedures or processes are federally or state mandated and regardless, even a tiny procedure such as putting a number on a babies wrist with non permanant ink or feltpen might be something that the nursing unit at this hospital just does - not that I'm necesarily sticking to this idea, but I think it's plausable.

[Penguine]

Not all are private, and remember that the story is set in the United States. What does this mean? Well, baby comes out the shoot, is cleaned, docs do to the baby what docs do, then hand it to the mother. Mother is all happy, then they take baby to the nursery. While in the nursery a nurse takes a black felt tip marker and writes "3" on the arm to signify that this baby goes to bassinette 3. Couple hours later they bring the baby back to the mother and she notices the 3 on the arm and flips out. Husband calls an attorney and they end up sueing the hospital, the nurse, the felt tip pen manufacturer, etc, etc, etc. So basically no hospital in their right mind would write a number on a newborns arm. The US is all about lawsuits and people wanting easy money. It's sad really. But hey, such is our country.

[clem131]

I had some trouble understanding things in this episode.
1) So, the LO was hanging on the helicopter for roughly 4 hours and a half and only after that time he attacked opening the helicopter like a sardines can?
2) I would really appreciate some kind of schema of who was in the Black Hawk and who was in the Chinook. . I really got turned around on that, and on who gets off the BH, and on who of those turns in a LO, and on who was in restrains besides Kimmet's niece and now isn't anymore...

[LiamKerrington]

Hi there,

I had some trouble understanding things in this episode.
1) So, the LO was hanging on the helicopter for roughly 4 hours and a half and only after that time he attacked opening the helicopter like a sardines can?

Your second question I won't answer, 'cause then I had to kill myself after having killed you ... *g*
About Q1:
Well, this made me think and wonder a lot, too. I came up with three different ideas:
a) In LA the LO grabbed on the chopperand did not care for such a long time;
b) in LA the LO grabbed on the chopper, evolved and mutated for this amount of time in order to be strong enough for wripping the chopper apart; OR
c) the LO did not grab on in LA, but jumped onto the chopper, because it already was about 30mi next to Boulder and it heard the chopper flying above its head ...

All the best!
Liam

[Robzombie]

Maybe the timing of the initial attack can be sync'd with the time that comms were cut-off. The part where they are reporting to Michael and Puck...althougth this is not during the first sitrep back but some time later. After the attack it might also have taken awhile for it to actually go down. Also, the chinook getting torn apart as it did may have happened on the ground. There were four punctures around the wheel well, which, idk, might have been enough to take out comms and other electrical forcing it to crash land, upon where the creature not knowing how to use door handles ripped into it.

[Penguine]

I had some trouble understanding things in this episode.
2) I would really appreciate some kind of schema of who was in the Black Hawk and who was in the Chinook. . I really got turned around on that, and on who gets off the BH, and on who of those turns in a LO, and on who was in restrains besides Kimmet's niece and now isn't anymore...

I Had this written down yesterday but threw it out cause I was keeping track for just myself. *digs through desk garbage can* Found it!

Ok, lets start on the ground: Fowler, Grigg, and Long - Fowler gets killed heading toward the Chinook, Long goes back for the map and then get squished. This leads us to the Chinook...

On the Chinook: Pilot, Co-Pilot, Navigator (Minimal crew) - Long (strapped down), Grigg (strapped down). I'm thinking that the Navigator got off his station and strapped them down.

The Chinook crashes after the Big Little One opens it up. This leaves the pilot dead on impact, two others (co-pilot and navigator) getting cut down by the mini-gun, Long dead and partially snacked on, and Grigg missing.

The Blackhawk has the crew (pilot, co-pilot, nav), Anthony, Carl, and a few other non-importants. Anthony and Carl kill all with the excpetion of Grigg who is missing.

Hope that helps.

[Hoff4D]

I had some trouble understanding things in this episode.
1) So, the LO was hanging on the helicopter for roughly 4 hours and a half and only after that time he attacked opening the helicopter like a sardines can?
2) I would really appreciate some kind of schema of who was in the Black Hawk and who was in the Chinook. . I really got turned around on that, and on who gets off the BH, and on who of those turns in a LO, and on who was in restrains besides Kimmet's niece and now isn't anymore...

That's sort of what my intiial question was, once people start turning, I get a bit confused as to how many turned, 2 or 3, and if they all came off the BH

[Kc]

Possibly, but not likely? The operational range of a Blackhawk is 1,380 miles (2,220 km) with external fuel tanks. As the crow flies it is 697 miles (1,115 km) from Irwin to Boulder. Let's subtract 30 miles so 667, making a round trip 1,334 miles (2,134 km). That 1,380 mile distance is also the ferrying distance meaning it doesn't take into account the added weight of troops or cargo so now we are really cutting it close. Add to it the fact they are searching for something meaning weaving back and forth to find the crash site and we are talking about making a round trip and coming back with fumes in the tank if not worse. If they didn't stop for fuel they might be having a rather unexpected landing well before they reach their destination. Sorry to nit-pick details Kc.

Yeah, Blackhawk wasn't from Irwin. Done the math on this over and over

"1) So, the LO was hanging on the helicopter for roughly 4 hours and a half and only after that time he attacked opening the helicopter like a sardines can?"

Yup.

[Hoff4D]

I Had this written down yesterday but threw it out cause I was keeping track for just myself. *digs through desk garbage can* Found it!

Ok, lets start on the ground: Fowler, Grigg, and Long - Fowler gets killed heading toward the Chinook, Long goes back for the map and then get squished. This leads us to the Chinook...

On the Chinook: Pilot, Co-Pilot, Navigator (Minimal crew) - Long (strapped down), Grigg (strapped down). I'm thinking that the Navigator got off his station and strapped them down.

The Chinook crashes after the Big Little One opens it up. This leaves the pilot dead on impact, two others (co-pilot and navigator) getting cut down by the mini-gun, Long dead and partially snacked on, and Grigg missing.

The Blackhawk has the crew (pilot, co-pilot, nav), Anthony, Carl, and a few other non-importants. Anthony and Carl kill all with the excpetion of Grigg who is missing.

Hope that helps.

By kill 'all' I think/hope you mean the non-importants. And thats what I was trying to clarify quite a few posts back. The pilot stays on the chopper the whole time,even asks 'need help?' and they say no, stay there. So how many non-importants were there that got off? I think 3, but it may have been 2 and the 'crawling away' zombie was the first one that turned (Jackie?) who was not down for the count since he was mid-turn to ADLO, and started crawling away, necessitating more shots. Which made it seem like 3 crew were turned then killed?

[Penguine]

From what my ears are telling me Carl, Anthony, and three others got off the Blackhawk. Lets call one Bob, the other Bobby, and Bob Jr.. So Carl, Anthony, Bob, Bobby, and Bob Jr. get off the Blackhawk. This leaves the Blackhawk crew on the Blackhawk. They track to the tree's when they all run back to the BlackHawk and it sounds like 3 (Bob, Bobby, and Bob Jr) get injured. This leaves the Black Hawk crew, Anthony, and Carl still living with Anthony and Carl in clean-up mode.