Chapter 31 Family Ties Part 2

[nikvoodoo]

Worser case scenarios:

• CJ discovers the lie and does... I don't know, something screwed-up.

I vote for CJ killing Lizzy in that scenario. If we're gonna make her go cray cray.....let's get serious!

[yarri]

I vote for CJ killing Lizzy in that scenario. If we're gonna make her go cray cray.....let's get serious!

I dont like your idea. I vote you get no vote.

[UndeadSweeper]

I vote for CJ killing Lizzy in that scenario. If we're gonna make her go cray cray.....let's get serious!

I vote CJ get revenge on gatekeeper and blow up a couple of Mallers.

[Leedo2502]

Arguing who is the better shot, Marines or Army, seems pointless. Is it something that can really be proven?

Besides, I think the topic at hand was, Saul being a piss poor shot, which Yes, Yes he is. My homeboy is a bad shot, unless he's aiming with Cupid's Arrow, booyah!

Kidding, he misses with that too. When it comes to ammo, quantity is Saul's best bet. Burt is a great shot, but that seems like the type of thing he focused on. Hell, he and his wife were pros. It's like my girlfriend and I playing video games. We do it all the time so we whup ass when we host a game night. I think Saul could improve with practice, but for some folk, you either got it or you don't.

My point wasn't to say that all Soldiers shoot better than all Marines. I think Ray has a bit of a chip on his shoulder with his comments that Marines as a whole shoot better and that "every Marine is an infantryman".
I'll agree that the Marines, as a whole, have a better focus on the fundimentals of marksmanship that the Army, again as a whole (at Infantry AIT there is alot more focus on marksmanship because... hey, that's our job). The problem is that non-combat arms Marines live under the fiction that they are firstly in the 'infantry'. It is true that for esprit de corps they have the motto "Every Marine a rifleman" it doesn't mean that they are all infantry. The guy that's flying the V-22 isn't going to show up in Camo Fallujah and get word "Hey bud you'll be walking patrols while you're here."

The long and short of it is there are Soldiers who are shitty at shooting just like there are Marines that are shitty at shooting, and there are Soldiers that are great at if same as there are Marines that are great at it.

Ray, take the chip off your shoulder

[Penguine]

If we are going to argue poor shots as the sole Navy vet on the forum I really think we can claim that title. The only reason I learned to shoot as well as I did was an extra zero on a supply order form and the mercy of one young marine.

Sorry this is a little late in the game but...

That's the beauty of the Navy though, you don't have to learn to shoot. You float around on ships miles out to see and use GPS to hit your targets with big guns, guided missles, and bombs dropped from planes, oh, and lets not forget cruise missles from who knows where under the sea. As an Air Force vet I think the USAF might be right there next to the USN in terms of shooting ability. LOL. We only had to qualify "if" we were deploying and then you only had to get like 35 out of 50 "in the black" which is 70%, not very good there.

As for the USA and USMC, I would bet if you put them all in a room and they had to debate the "who shoots better then who" BS in the end they would just be happy to know that when the shit hits the fan they can all count on each other to watch each others back.

[Leedo2502]

If we are going to argue poor shots as the sole Navy vet on the forum I really think we can claim that title. The only reason I learned to shoot as well as I did was an extra zero on a supply order form and the mercy of one young marine.

Yarri what I want to know is who approved the blue cammo for the Navy?? I think that it is a toss up between the Navy and Army as to who has the worst uniform, the ACU's don't blend in with anything and the Navy blue cammo blends in to well with the water... which sucks if you go into the drink!

[nikvoodoo]

I vote CJ get revenge on gatekeeper and blow up a couple of Mallers.

If she finds out that her boyfriend was killed by the people she didn't think killed them.....I think that puts Lizzy firmly in the crosshairs of Cray Cray CJ.

Remember, she thinks the Mallers killed Sean. Not Gatekeeper. She's not going to like that she was lied to in order to come on this foolish mission.

[UndeadSweeper]

If she finds out that her boyfriend was killed by the people she didn't think killed them.....I think that puts Lizzy firmly in the crosshairs of Cray Cray CJ.

Remember, she thinks the Mallers killed Sean. Not Gatekeeper. She's not going to like that she was lied to in order to come on this foolish mission.

Hmm.. I thought I heard that Sean was at the Colony but not the part about the Maller doing it. Since it came from Vick I thought he mention that it was the group before the Maller. The reason I mention the Maller is that she can still be the prison guard or cop we thought she was.

[Leedo2502]

As for the USA and USMC, I would bet if you put them all in a room and they had to debate the "who shoots better then who" BS in the end they would just be happy to know that when the shit hits the fan they can all count on each other to watch each others back.

I couldn't agree more, I was kinda likeing Ray until he went off on how the Marines are that much better than the Army (mostly based off of a fictional character.) You usually hear that in the old timers in the Marines and not so much since 9/11 and we all got on one team (I'll grant you there are still the jokes and rivalries but they have dropped dramaticaly since Afghanistan and Iraq.) Even before that there was a great deal of respect from Army Infantry for Marine Infantry and vice versa, we both realize that we both have different jobs with different strengths and weaknesses. The problem was (and I guess still is) with the non-combat arms guys...

[Adventureless_Hero]

Hmm.. I thought I heard that Sean was at the Colony but not the part about the Maller doing it. Since it came from Vick I thought he mention that it was the group before the Maller. The reason I mention the Maller is that she can still be the prison guard or cop we thought she was.

Nah, CJ doesn't know that it was Gatekeeper who plotted to kill Sean. As far as CJ knows, the Mallers were the one's who offed her ex-boyfriend. So to get revenge on Gatekeeper someone would have to spill the beans (Victor), and we Hispanic folk never spill our beans. That shit doesn't go to waste! lol

I think that was what Nik was saying too. That if CJ found out that she was lied to about the Mallers being responsible for Seans death, she might flip out and do some cray-cray shit, like ventilate Lizzy's skull, OR, oh shit and this might actually happen, reveal Saul to the Mallers so that she herself can escape from the Mallony! Damn, I can totally see CJ using Saul and Lizzy as a diversion so that she can snatch up the SAT phone and leave the star-crossed lovers in the Mallony!