Chapter 29- Beyond Our Walls Part 3

[daredevil]

there has to be more to Angels death than this ! why did Kc keep him alive after last seasons finale so he coudl have a five minute chat with Scrath - doesnt make sense

I agree with you, but please spell better.

[Memis]

Obviously Shouldersmalone is terribly upset about Angel but I have faith in KC that the story will unfold so we get that shock and awe, I don't want KC to ever get the feeling that he should have to change the story line to suite the outcry of listeners, this isn't star wars episode 1, and He isn't George Lucas. That wasn't meant as an insult by any means. I have full faith in the storyteller. I came to the realization that the story is really damn good and I was distraught about Angel dying just shows how much indepth this story goes and ill be tuned in again to see how this masterpiece evolves. I still miss Angel though.....

[ZomNom]

OK. So, who does everyone think the 2nd person was that Scratch referred to before the tower fell? The consensus is that it could be Hannah. After all, Kalani was with with choppers when the group went to make the exchange. We don't know for sure if it was her that was shot or not. Kalani seemed to think it was, but there was no confirmation.

Could it be that the Mallers picked up Skittles? The only thing is, I'm not sure why she'd refer to Skittles as being a member of the Tower. He was a resident of CJ's tower. But, only had brief interaction with the members of the 2nd tower.

I guess I'm just trying to figure out if Burt and Lizzy have any help where they are. I wouldn't think that Hannah would be a major help to them. But, maybe I'm wrong. I would think that Skittles could be. But, not if he's suspected of being "with" the Tower group. He'd be detained, or at least guarded ... like Hannah would be, if he was the 2nd person Scratch was talking about. If the 2nd person is Hannah or Skittles I'd think they'd be restricted as to how much help they could give either Burt or Lizzy.

[Adventureless_Hero]

This was a thought from a fellow member (and coworker of mine) Lvmetndr: she believes, and I agree, that Scratch will not bother torturing Burt, a former Marine and current badass. She'll likely torture Lizzie in front of Burt and thereby cause him to confess and spill the whereabouts of Michael and the rest.

I'm thinking that Scratch also kept Lizzie alive because she knows Lizzie is preggers. She may have suspected it earlier when she was keeping Lizzie alive as a bargaining chip, but now that they are in the company of doctors, they can check her blood or urine to see if she actually is pregnant. The question is, what will Scratch do if she learns that Michael is at Ft. Irwin. Will they give up on chasing them down, send a scouting party, or possibly try radio contact?

[Airborne_101mf]

Love her or Hate her....Scratch is a survivor and a Control Freak....

Neither of those personality traits are known to be associated with individuals that let things go....or ever give up....

As far as Angel....I don't wanna see him die....But if that is how Sgt. Wayland says Angel went to meet our "Ranger" God....All I can say is...The Lt. Conducted himself Admirably (He kept his mouth shut)....He was then...and Always will be Hooah In my book....

Just my .02

~M~

[awkwardalex]

OK. So, who does everyone think the 2nd person was that Scratch referred to before the tower fell? The consensus is that it could be Hannah. After all, Kalani was with with choppers when the group went to make the exchange. We don't know for sure if it was her that was shot or not. Kalani seemed to think it was, but there was no confirmation.

Could it be that the Mallers picked up Skittles? The only thing is, I'm not sure why she'd refer to Skittles as being a member of the Tower. He was a resident of CJ's tower. But, only had brief interaction with the members of the 2nd tower.

I guess I'm just trying to figure out if Burt and Lizzy have any help where they are. I wouldn't think that Hannah would be a major help to them. But, maybe I'm wrong. I would think that Skittles could be. But, not if he's suspected of being "with" the Tower group. He'd be detained, or at least guarded ... like Hannah would be, if he was the 2nd person Scratch was talking about. If the 2nd person is Hannah or Skittles I'd think they'd be restricted as to how much help they could give either Burt or Lizzy.

I think it's Lizzie. I had a thread on theories (and i cannot get it to link on this thing) "Hannah Dead or Alive?" Where I picked through Tar's line in the season 2 finale when he and Scratch are discussing Pippin infront of Lizzie. Tar saus something to the effect of "Fine, ifthey make the exchange SHE tells them, never liked him anyhow." Which leads me to beilieve that SHE is Hannah, be cause Hannah would be able to know that Pippin was a maller.


However this does lead to one question: How much does Lizzie know? When they return from the colony the tower has already set thier sites on Ft. Irwin so did she know before she left?

[Dyhoerium]

I think it's Lizzie. I had a thread on theories (and i cannot get it to link on this thing) "Hannah Dead or Alive?" Where I picked through Tar's line in the season 2 finale when he and Scratch are discussing Pippin infront of Lizzie. Tar saus something to the effect of "Fine, ifthey make the exchange SHE tells them, never liked him anyhow." Which leads me to beilieve that SHE is Hannah, be cause Hannah would be able to know that Pippin was a maller.

My interpretation on Tar's line was that he was referring to Lizzie as "she". At that point in the story Scratch and company were waiting on the tower folk to either exchange Lizzie for Pegs or be blown to smithereens. Why would Tar make that comment when they're talking in front of Lizzie at that moment? Hannah knows/knew who Pippin is/was regardless of Scratch and Tar talking about him in front of Lizzie.

However this does lead to one question: How much does Lizzie know? When they return from the colony the tower has already set thier sites on Ft. Irwin so did she know before she left?

It's my opinion that Lizzie doesn't know for sure where they are going and Scratch believes her. This is why I think Scratch's line of "It's just you now, and we have all the time in the world." means that Burt is the only left that they picked up from the remains of the tower. I haven't seen this stated before, though I might have missed it, but I think Scratch picked up three people from the tower. She says she recognized Angel because of the ring in his pocket, but at the end of chapter 24 there is no indication and not enough time for them to find the ring in the pocket. Scratch says "put him with the old man, I found what I was looking for", to me this implies that she found what she was looking for and to put this other person with the old man (Burt). My guess is that they also found Kalani, but he died. She makes the comment of "...we have all the time in the world." because Kalani and Angel were on borrowed time and have already died, but since Burt is seemingly healthy they have plenty of time to "go to work on him".

I've always felt like they found three people after the tower collapse, but my suspicions became stronger when I listened to the newest episode. I don't have any ideas or speculation on why it's important Kalani or potentially another person was found by Scratch in addition to Angel and Burt. It's just a thought I've had and wanted to share.

I'm with others that have said Scratch will probably use Lizzie to persuade Burt to speak.

[Penguin]

even tho i didnt like angel much.. i am upset that he was killed off.. i dont understand why an it is getting to me... second thing! i am so upset with the whole michael and peggs BS they need to stay together!!!!!! and if michael and riley "plot" turns up then i will not be too happy with that either.. on top of all of this..... where the heck is saul and vick? i really miss saul! he is the best.. and what has happened to lizzy? we havent heard from her in quite sime time! hope she is doing ok :-)
well im out for now! check back later

[Red Shirt]

Uh.. *Cough* Kc *Cough*

Well, I meant outside the obvious.



After another listen through I picked up on another detail besides the "THE Family" detail I mentioned earlier.

At 8:58, Scratch says: "He's still one of us. One of the families. Plural families.

I think that it is possible that Durai; Scratch and Latch; and Angel are from different Blood Families or family lines of the same distantly related progenitor.
THE Family is, shall we say an association of sorts between them, an agreement to work toward a common goal.

I posit that this is why Durai didn't/doesn't use his last name and Scratch and Latch are (were) using nicknames. To hide their lineage. Maybe there was a falling out among the bloodlines. Maybe that dispute had to do with launching the Apocalypse.

14:15 "Your Daddy would be so proud." (Not our) I think that Scratch and Angel may be cousins.


Bigger question is, who else is "Family?"


(Maybe there are twelve blood lines and there is a council and together they decide the fate of..... WOOOOO! Grab your hats! )

[daredevil]

Well, I meant outside the obvious.



After another listen through I picked up on another detail besides the "THE Family" detail I mentioned earlier.

At 8:58, Scratch says: "He's still one of us. One of the families. Plural families.

I think that it is possible that Durai; Scratch and Latch; and Angel are from different Blood Families or family lines of the same distantly related progenitor.
THE Family is, shall we say an association of sorts between them, an agreement to work toward a common goal.

I posit that this is why Durai didn't/doesn't use his last name and Scratch and Latch are (were) using nicknames. To hide their lineage. Maybe there was a falling out among the bloodlines. Maybe that dispute had to do with launching the Apocalypse.

14:15 "Your Daddy would be so proud." (Not our) I think that Scratch and Angel may be cousins.


Bigger question is, who else is "Family?"


(Maybe there are twelve blood lines and there is a council and together they decide the fate of..... WOOOOO! Grab your hats! )

The way Scratch was talking made me think that she was still all goody goody with the Families and Angel wasn't.