Chapter 29- Beyond Our Walls Part 3

[Matt Gossett]

I started listening a second time, and got depressed being reminded Angel was dead. He went out like a Gangsta. A couple points I noticed in the re listen. After the second war scratch said there he is, I found what I looking for. I would assume that the “Kalani's still alive� theories would fall apart. Also CupCakeZombie mentioned it first, but Puck said, “we've checked infected blood once, but there's no difference we've been able to tell�. I'm not sure what that means, but it seems significant to me.

[SeLeevi]

Great episode thank you KC and the crew!

Rest in peace, Angel. I always knew you were dirty, I just didn't know how dirty you were. This is starting to suck. First Kalani. Now Angel. What's next? We find out Burt was involved in human trafficking with the sex trade industry in Taipei? Someone make it end already!

Burt was not exactly legit, remember the weapons, explosives and silencer(s)... would not be surprising if he would find some former customers among the Mallers.

[threadbare]

hello.... this is my first post so bare with me.... i'm not usually one to be on forums but this story has got under my skin so i couldn't stay away... there have been a few things said in this thread that i want to comment on: first... withe regards to Angel's possible criminal past. Any trouble he may have gotten into with the law as a minor would not have come up in a backround check as the records could have been sealed (also, during the recruiting push for Iraq, the military relaxed many of the rules regarding accepting applicants with non-violent criminal records). second...the theory that blood is not the carrier of infection...what about Tommy?

[trubkir]

I have a morning ritual that I need to share. I call it 'the terminator'. First I crouch down in the shower in the classic 'naked terminator traveling through time' pose. With my eyes closed I crouch there for a minute, visualizing either Arnold or the guy from the second movie (not the chick in the third one because that one sucked) and I start to hum the terminator theme. Then I slowly rise to a standing position and open my eyes. It helps me to proceed through my day as an emotionless, cyborg badass. The only problem is if the shower curtain sticks to my terminator leg. It ruins the fantasy.

Aw crap I can never unread this post. It will be in my synapsis forever. Riley have you got a drink?

[Osiris]

hello.... this is my first post so bare with me.... i'm not usually one to be on forums but this story has got under my skin so i couldn't stay away... there have been a few things said in this thread that i want to comment on: first... withe regards to Angel's possible criminal past. Any trouble he may have gotten into with the law as a minor would not have come up in a backround check as the records could have been sealed (also, during the recruiting push for Iraq, the military relaxed many of the rules regarding accepting applicants with non-violent criminal records). second...the theory that blood is not the carrier of infection...what about Tommy?

Welcome! Feel free to bounce over to the introduction thread and tell us about yourself.

I'd provide a link... but... I'm lazy today.

[Osiris]

Aw crap I can never unread this post. It will be in my synapsis forever. Riley have you got a drink?

No gym for home?

[trubkir]

No gym for home?

In the words of the virgin mary "Come again?"

[trubkir]

And yet another apropos movie quote "On a long enough time line everyone's survivability is zero" RIP Lt. Angel

[Condor]

What also was interesting about the first part was the discussion on how they can tell if someone is turned, which isn't by the blood.
This can mean two things:
- They can't find/detect what is in the blood that causes the turn
- There is nothing in the blood to detect.
Because they mentioned autopsy we know that there must be some structural changes to the body (what sort?), but it is interesting that they can't find anything in the blood.
The first is most likely, for example, current HIV medications can reduce the virus circulating in the blood to levels where it is undetectable, but if the second is true then blood transmission might not be possible.
How have the people turned that we have seen so far? Riley and Pegs said in Chapter 1 that they only saw people smash into each other. Otherwise it has mostly been bites which lends itself to being caused by saliva rather then blood.

I've always thought of the infection as something like mutated rabies. From what I understand, the only way to test an animal suspected of having rabies is to kill it and examine the brain. So, maybe that would also be the case with the zombies. Also along those lines, I believe anyone who works with animals (like veterinarians) get rabies vaccinations. That might explain Tanya immunity and if Saul had helped her, it would explain his as well.

His death counted though. It wasn't wasted, he bought Riley's life with his own. In the end he died as a solder defending someone defenseless. What better death could he have had? He died with honor "spitting" in the face of his enemy. In my books Angel died a bad ass.

A better death? How about a heart attack while banging Riley?
At least, that's how I want to go, heart attack while getting lucky.

[trubkir]

I've always thought of the infection as something like mutated rabies. From what I understand, the only way to test an animal suspected of having rabies is to kill it and examine the brain. So, maybe that would also be the case with the zombies. Also along those lines, I believe anyone who works with animals (like veterinarians) get rabies vaccinations. That might explain Tanya immunity and if Saul had helped her, it would explain his as well.

The brain exam is the definitive answer for diagnosing rabies in animals. In humans the victim goes through a number of tests including hair folicles, serum, spinal fluid and skin biopsy tests. I know that veterinarians are fairly well versed on rabies as they vaccinate animals all the time and have to answer questions from clients about the disease. I doubt regular human doctors would know much about it as it is rare in humans these days. I'm not disparaging doctors by the way they are overloaded and why would they keep current on something they might never see.