Tower Collapse (Who survived)

**Blood & Ice Cream** · Oct 13th, 2011, 12:57 PM

angel - just before the collapse, michael (in the helicopter) noted that there was no sign on angel on the flat roof

therefore my thoughts were that he managed to slide down the remaining rope part way down the building before the collapse, so the fall was much smaller than being on the top of a collapsing 14 storey building

**stout403** · Nov 15th, 2011, 07:30 PM

ah, i just had the same thought as you blood and ice cream!
Burt falls. Michael says he pulls back up about 10' until he finds the charred end of the line.
Angel, awaiting Burt to finish zip-lining across sees the line in front of him go limp, he could possibly already have a harness on, clips into the line, sees the heli pull away from the RPG blast, and starts descending the side of the building.

But, the line breaking could also be used for Burt, since he was on it, but a bit more improbable since he should technically be past the point that breaks with his inertia. And Breaking through a window? the thought crossed my mind until thinking about the windows having to have to stand up to winds and such

Another guess is Scratch has found Saul, who is still around the building trying to help Lizzie escape. Saul is hit from debris from the falling tower and immobilized. And this could mean she found Victor as well, but they have no idea who he is so he just gets tossed into the "slave" catagory.
Saul also has his IV catheter in his arm, so the medication he has is going to be depleted at some point while out trying to find Lizzie.

**Traden** · Dec 11th, 2011, 06:23 AM

so far your the only person ive seen mention Steven, is it possible he is the rat? remember when he freaked out saying he was not comfterble watching the new prisoner on guard duty. he made quite the scene and for no apparent reason. as far as i remember he was not seen by Pippin either. he also got Lizzy kicked out of the tower too which is kind of a dick move on his part.

He fits the profile for a rat if u ask me but there isnt much more info about him. it just came to me when u mentioned him.

**Mora** · Mar 20th, 2012, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by Mora

I'm kind of shocked at all the people who think that Angel is the rat...clearly he has some connection with scratch, but it's not something he's happy about. Also he's in the room with Pippin CONSTANTLY, and Pippin never reacts to him....it's after he leaves and someone else comes in that he reacts and gets nervous. It also could not be Kelly, as she was in the room for quite some time. It's POSSIBLE that it's Riley, but I see no reason for her to betray anyone.

Kalani is the most logical conclusion, as he seems to have had motive (protecting this "Hannah" girl, which we mostly seem to think was the girl that was assassinated at the golf course) and the access (EDIT: My only problem with this is that Michael or Angel specifically say that Kalani was with Datu the entire time, and Datu would have no reason to lie for or protect Kalani...there must be something that's missing). They say Kalani was also in the other tower...maybe he was also planted there by the mallers. After that place got overrun, he was just chillin in the Arena until he was rescued. At that point, he contacts the mallers again to say he wants to come back to see Hannah, and they ask where he is...he tells the "another tower" and things spiral out of control from there. I like the theory that his journal is what's in bills desk, along with a long range walkie of some variety that the tower occupants do not know about.

As far as who survives, it's gotta be Angel somehow, along with Burt. Kalani living through a fireball explosion makes very little sense, but I will admit, after a second listen after reading all of the comments on the forums, it DOES sound like Scratch is walking on metal....but it doesn't have to be the chopper, it could be the exploded tankers for all we know. Saul and Victor definitely live, and will probably end up saving Lizzy, Burt and Angel.

For the record, I totally called this (so far, at least...still no word on burt and angel.)

**Crabb90** · Mar 29th, 2012, 10:29 PM

I recently caught up on the recent episodes and I am back in love with this podcast. I started watching for the zombies and I kept watching for the character development. However, I have some issues with the 1-hour special of season 2. Well, just one issue actually, and that's the characters supposedly died at the end: Kalani, Burt, and Angel.

First, I want to say that I like how the group is now split into groups: one with the helicopter who made it out of LA and the other scattered around LA. I thought, for sure, that Kalani was dead when he rammed his chopper in to the oil tanker headed for the Tower, but now I'm thinking he may have survived since Scratch would have recognized him a little more than Angel in the rubble of the Tower. However, if you recall Scratch's first meeting with Angel, she says that he ''looks pretty damn familiar'' and that she ''never forgets a face''. So, I think it's quite possible that she and Angel have a slight history together, perhaps indirectly. Also, Micheal didn't see Angel on the roof just before it collapsed, so he have survived the Tower's fall. Plus, I doubt Kalani's fat ass could pull off any fancy maneuvers to avoid the inferno of the exploding tanker and being incinerated. I think Angel is still alive and his whereabouts could go one of two ways. 1; he is evaded the Mallers and his currently surviving on his own, possibly trailing Saul and Victor. 2; (which I think is a little more likely) he is currently in the custody of the Mallers along with Lizzie.

I think the character of Burt is little more complex. Since Lizzie got kicked out of the Tower because of that whole fiasco with Steven, I somewhat expected to be the next character to die. However, I also expected his death to be a little more climactic than simply falling off the chopper. I also think that the little snippet of audio at the end of the 1-hour episode, where Scratch says, ''Put him with the old man.'', is good evidence telling us that Burt still alive. I think he is also now in the custody of the Mallers and him, Angel, and Lizzie are going to meet up and formulate a plan to escape their captors but not after they learn a little more about the Mallers and what makes them tick. Maybe they'll learn about this 'Hannah' character as well.

As for this 'CJ' character, she seems like a selfish bitch to me. Honestly, I hope she dies soon. Saul and Victor could use her safe house. But, who knows, she's was helpful recently with the back story of Kalani.

**ZomNom** · Apr 14th, 2012, 06:50 PM

Kalani is dead. His story was finished. We'll probably hear more about him though, especially when Hannah is introduced as a main character.

Burt is alive. Unless he whipped out his journal and wrote while he was ziplining to his death.

I don't THINK Angel is dead, but there's no evidence to suggest that he survived. My guess is that he sealed himself in the elevator or was in a stairwell during the collapse?

Don't get me wrong, both could be dead, but KC screwed up with Burt's voice-over journal entry, if this is the case. And he's screwed over a fan favorite character in Angel without giving him a proper send-off ... like Kalani got.

Just my opinions.

**zombiesurvivor** · May 7th, 2012, 03:10 PM

The question I still have on my mind is what happened to Angel, Burt, or the others.
Do any of you guys know what happened to them

**ClearSights** · May 8th, 2012, 05:25 PM

Here is what I think happened for each one....

Angel - The last we know of Angel was that he was trapped on the tower as it fell (As far as we know) I believe that in the near future we will have a flashback to Angels view point. It will start with the rope snapping and Burt fallings then Angel will panic and start his journey to get off the tower, I believe that he will get a way down the tower but not all the way and will fall with it but only enough to hurt him. When the dust settles he will be captured by the maulers and taken to wherever they are. And the story will continue from there...

Burt - In a near episode, there will be a Burt flashback to where Burt falls down from the rope and is extremely hurt but is alive and then needs to hurry to cover before the tower collapses on top of him. He does but it trapped by the rubble. When it all settles, he is captured by the maulersâ€™ as-well.

Once these two are captured by the maulers, their stories will join and we will learn about what is happening to them and Lizzy. The story will be told from their point of view and how they are doing in the maulersâ€™ captivity and also what the maulers have planned.