Lock'n Loaded - Guns, Ammo, Military and Survival Stuff

**reaper239** · Apr 19th, 2012, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by ericcartman

That's a good question. I will admit that the coolness factor of a 100rd drum overrode the thought of practicality.
Some quick online window shopping shows the shipping weight of 100rd 9mm (Hornady Zombie-Max) as 3.124 lbs. A Glock 17 (unloaded) weight is 22.22 oz. Not counting the mag, which I couldn't find the weight for, we're at just over 4.5 lbs. So, fully loaded with 100rds would probably be around 5 lbs vs 2 lbs for a loaded Glock with 17rds. Heavy, but not really unbearable.

I'll just keep it simple with this: Attachment 1769 Although I wouldn't buy that now since I don't want to go through all the ATF red-tape to legally use one of those.

with out the stock and foregrip there is no batfe involvment. with the stock and foregrip though it becomes an AOW unless you switch the barrel with an 18" in which case it becomes a full sived carbine. looking at it more though, you may not have to switch out anything since you're not actually modding the gun itself. worth looking into, but that shouldn't classify as a class 3. i'll do more research and repost.

**reaper239** · Apr 19th, 2012, 07:14 AM

ok, check this out.

http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulin...ing-2011-4.pdf

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-ta...fles-sbrs.html

so, what it says is that if you switch the barrel to 16" (not 18, my bad) with the kit it is now a rifle, and you can switch it back to a straight up pistol (no carbine parts) without having to reclassify it because it started life as a pistol. in other words, you put the kit on it has to be the whole kit, you take the kit off it must be the whole kit. keep in mind that this is my interpretation. the fed is fucked up and would have no problems dragging you in front of a firing line for violation of laws layed down by one of their fascist alphabet soup agencies, so i would suggest you have someone qualified in law (like a lawyer) look over that reg and help you out. i also cannot speak for the state you live in, but unless it's new jeresy, new york, or california you should (again, consult someone) be good.

**Condor** · Apr 24th, 2012, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by reaper239

with out the stock and foregrip there is no batfe involvment. with the stock and foregrip though it becomes an AOW unless you switch the barrel with an 18" in which case it becomes a full sived carbine. looking at it more though, you may not have to switch out anything since you're not actually modding the gun itself. worth looking into, but that shouldn't classify as a class 3. i'll do more research and repost.

The kit I mentioned doesn't come with a replacement barrel, so installing it would indeed convert the Glock to class 3 SBR and would require ATF approval. I've never seen or heard of a 16" barrel for a Glock, but there may be one I'm not aware of.
16" is minimum for rifle barrel and 18" for shotguns.
Yes, some gun regulations are crazy and arbitrary. I really have never understood why putting a stock on a pistol is illegal, you already have more restrictions on handguns than long guns. I only recently found out that if you add a vertical foregrip to a pistol it becomes AOW and that really makes no sense to me either.

I read in the NRA magazine about that rifle-to-pistol/pistol-to-rifle conversion ruling that was made last year. Their interpretation of the ruling was it still wasn't very clear on the legality of temporary conversions. So I guess you still have to be careful. Best advice, don't get caught. My personal opinion is if someone thinks an illegal/gray area legal conversion would be useful in a SHTF situation, they should have the parts on hand. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be illegal to possess the conversion parts as long as you don't put them on. Then, if the SHTF, most laws can be thrown out the window, so do what you gotta do.

**Cabbage Patch** · Apr 24th, 2012, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by ericcartman

I really have never understood why putting a stock on a pistol is illegal, you already have more restrictions on handguns than long guns. I only recently found out that if you add a vertical foregrip to a pistol it becomes AOW and that really makes no sense to me either.

I used to own a beautiful Thompson Center Contender, which is a modular weapon system. You get a single receiver group, to which you can attach a pistol grip or a rifle stock, and either long or short barrels in different calibers. I had parts to turn it into either a .22 LR or a 45 ACP pistol, or either a .22 LR or a .223 rifle. I'm in California, and I was more than a little worried that I had something that was illegal for me to own, so I checked on it. The bottom line was that yes, it was technically illegal to have both the pistol and rifle kits, but that for practical purposes I was okay as long as I never mixed the parts (long barrel with pistol grip, short barrel with rifle stock).

**reaper239** · Apr 25th, 2012, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by ericcartman

The kit I mentioned doesn't come with a replacement barrel, so installing it would indeed convert the Glock to class 3 SBR and would require ATF approval. I've never seen or heard of a 16" barrel for a Glock, but there may be one I'm not aware of.
16" is minimum for rifle barrel and 18" for shotguns.
Yes, some gun regulations are crazy and arbitrary. I really have never understood why putting a stock on a pistol is illegal, you already have more restrictions on handguns than long guns. I only recently found out that if you add a vertical foregrip to a pistol it becomes AOW and that really makes no sense to me either.

I read in the NRA magazine about that rifle-to-pistol/pistol-to-rifle conversion ruling that was made last year. Their interpretation of the ruling was it still wasn't very clear on the legality of temporary conversions. So I guess you still have to be careful. Best advice, don't get caught. My personal opinion is if someone thinks an illegal/gray area legal conversion would be useful in a SHTF situation, they should have the parts on hand. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be illegal to possess the conversion parts as long as you don't put them on. Then, if the SHTF, most laws can be thrown out the window, so do what you gotta do.

check this out. not sure where to find these 16" barrels, but they are out there. somewhere.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1301817

**Cabbage Patch** · Apr 25th, 2012, 07:05 AM

I haven't seen any sources for extended barrels for Glocks, but there is a conversion kit available for the Glock 21 line so that they can fire the same 50 caliber rounds that Burt uses for his Desert Eagle: http://www.policemag.com/Channel/Wea...onversion.aspx

**phobiarg** · Apr 29th, 2012, 06:32 PM

Here's my EDC, I think this should suffice to get me home to my big stuff.

Glock 27 with Federal 165gr HSTs
Benchmade 710BKD2
Spyderco Native4
Leatherman Skeletool CX
4Sevens Quark AA2 Tactical
Oakley Sun Glasses
My bad habit
My enabler to my my bad habit
Cheap o wallet that is falling apart
Verizon Motorola DroidX
Car Keys, Work Keys, Apartment Keys