The Source/Cause of the Infection!

[reaper239]

well, look at the 9-11 attacks for instance. as an act of terror, it was brilliant tactically. huge visibility, massive cassualty count, lots of shock value, intense after-effect. an attack that rocked america and surpassed the pearl harbor attacks, but required far less in hte way of resources, and in fat required very little resources. the operatives could almost operate completely independently of each other. brilliant move.

[yarri]

Ok I concede to your brilliance!

[Eviebae]

That's why it's a tinfoil hat theory. Then again I've yet to meet a zealot of any type that was smart. I guess that can apply to tree hugging hippies.

Man, what an idea though. Honey, I'm all stuffed up, can you pick up some Afrin on the way home? Then they release the catalyst and BOOM!

Re: labels like zealot, or tree hugging hippies--every group is capable of excesses and faults. It all seems like mostly "yay for my team" instead of discussion.

[Osiris]

i disagree, zealots are some of the most motivated individuals in the world, and therefore strive to attain their goals harder than anyone else. this causes them to look at problems in different ways, and to be more creative. or be more stupid, it depends on the zealot.

Considering them to be anything less than driven, intelligent, creative people is simple ignorance and an unwarranted sense of superiority.

[Eviebae]

Considering them to be anything less than driven, intelligent, creative people is simple ignorance and an unwarranted sense of superiority.

I always say that if you really want something done well, get someone who "has" to do it--is driven to do it. It's just that most people get caught in the eitherA/orB trap. Usually that means there's a third solution that everyone is too blinded to see. Even 9/11 was just bigger bs. The geniuses are the ones that come up with the third option--like nonviolent resistance.

[Osiris]

I always say that if you really want something done well, get someone who "has" to do it--is driven to do it. It's just that most people get caught in the eitherA/orB trap. Usually that means there's a third solution that everyone is too blinded to see. Even 9/11 was just bigger bs. The geniuses are the ones that come up with the third option--like nonviolent resistance.

I wonder how necessary it is to equate what's going on in the story to 9/11.

[Eviebae]

I wonder how necessary it is to equate what's going on in the story to 9/11.

I think it's a good analogy that carries emotional weight. Perhaps you think it detracts from the reality of 9/11 like how everyone calling everyone they disagree with Hitler detracts from the sense of what he did.

[Osiris]

I think it's a good analogy that carries emotional weight. Perhaps you think it detracts from the reality of 9/11 like how everyone calling everyone they disagree with Hitler detracts from the sense of what he did.

No. It detracts from the story being told in the podcast. The two don't relate as far as I'm concerned. One is based in reality, and the other a work of pure fiction. Perhaps not everyone on the planet feels the need to equate EVERYTHING to what happened in America as it serves only to raise debates that have the potential to become far too heated to be productive. Especially once opinions start to conflict with each other.

[Eviebae]

No. It detracts from the story being told in the podcast. The two don't relate as far as I'm concerned. One is based in reality, and the other a work of pure fiction. Perhaps not everyone on the planet feels the need to equate EVERYTHING to what happened in America as it serves only to raise debates that have the potential to become far too heated to be productive. Especially once opinions start to conflict with each other.

I respectfully disagree and suggest that this is a matter of personal perspective and personal tolerance. It was brought in to serve as an example illustrating a point; and I don't think it was a specious one given the argument. How much and how often someone is willing to examine the feelings that 9/11 brings up--in any light--is an individual thing.

[Osiris]

I respectfully disagree and suggest that this is a matter of personal perspective and personal tolerance. It was brought in to serve as an example illustrating a point; and I don't think it was a specious one given the argument. How much and how often someone is willing to examine the feelings that 9/11 brings up--in any light--is an individual thing.

I think there are platforms more suited to the discussion of that particular aspect of America's history. It also serves to push individuals away who don't view that event as being significant to them. There are people all over the world who have lived through mindbogglingly terrible events on a daily basis that would consider that particular event to be relatively inconsequential when juxtaposed to their village or city being carpet-bombed for days/weeks/months. Or living in cities where buses/cars/buildings explode on a weekly basis. Continually throwing it into the context of a singular event shows a lack of empathy for all of the people who deal with it as part of their daily existence.

All I'm saying is broaden the context.