Chapter 26- "Who Overcomes" Part 2

[reaper239]

California allows weapons. So what if it needs a "loaded" meter or you can't have more than 10 round mags! Shit still goes bang and people still drop. I don't remember the 2nd amendment saying you have the right to bear arms with a 50 round drum. LOL.

So, there will still be places there to get what they need to do reloads, which doesn't have anything to do with weapon types.

i don't remember it saying you don't have the right to bear arms with a 50 round drum. i didn't say they didn't have guns, i said they have a lot of anti-gun politicians who are hell bent on making it so difficult to own a gun that most people won't want to. like DC, most law abiding citizens don't own guns in DC because it is so blasted hard to get one. btw (in my best sheldon cooper (big bang theory) voice), the criminals are the ones killing people, so i would wager a guess that their guns have neither a "loaded meter" nor are relegated to ten round mags.

also, i'm listening to something right now that's making it feel like there is static at the base of my hair folicls (<-can't spell). very strange sounds. (no it's not something political as i know some of you were thinking )

[looney]

In regards to Victor and his short mission, here is a personal story from my first time in Iraq. I was in a 3 man sniper team in an Infantry company, stationed in one of the worst cities in the country at the time. We got called and told we need to support a brigade level mission in Mosul with a platoon, our sniper team, and our headquarters element. The mission would take 12 hours and it was just escorting engineer and fuel assets around the city to other companies that were fighting to take Mosul back from the insurgents. We had about 10 minutes to get ready (our gear was always ready to go, we just packed different things in our assault packs depending on the mission) and get in the trucks to get to Mosul. That 12 hour mission turned in to a 78 hour firefight. My team had enough food for 3 days per person that we carried in our packs, because we always left it there. Granted, we didn't have the time to eat, and went three days without sleep or food, but still we had the food. Being prepared doesn't take much more than saying "this pack stays with me, just like my weapon does".

As far as reloading goes, I'm not an expert but I do reload my pistol rounds. If they have books and equipment, the mallers could easily reload ammo. If they're just trying different loads to see what works, that's a lot of damaged guns. Along with that, you could easily seriously injure or kill someone by loading with the wrong powder in a rifle round. I'm actually really excited to find out why the brass was gathered up. It's an interesting twist after the huge tower battle.

[Adventureless_Hero]

Shocker: There is a behemoth zombie out there that collects brass because it's shiny and pretty. He puts the shells on a thread and wears them like necklaces. The sound of his approach is like that of a 1,000 rounds jingling.

In regards to Victor, we should then be upset with every single character in this story for not being prepared. I'm upset with myself for not having a pack at home next to my pistol.

Anyway, I'm focusing on something else. This Victor not being prepared is beginning to get like that Michael/Burt Alpha male conversation. I am wondering about those choppers at Ft. Irwin. Does anyone know what kind they are? Like are they transport or attack helicopters? They aren't those rock ass Apache choppers, are they?!

[looney]

I don't remember ever seeing an Apache when I was in NTC. Usually Blackhawks and Chinooks, since we used those for infil/exfil during our rotation. I've seen some Russian birds there too, but that was pre-Iraq war and they were used for training. I know when we trained with Special Forces, they used Kiowa Warriors and Little Birds, but those were organic to those units and weren't stationed at Irwin. No telling what they were, but that's what I remember from my rotations there.

[Cabbage Patch]

I am wondering about those choppers at Ft. Irwin. Does anyone know what kind they are? Like are they transport or attack helicopters? They aren't those rock ass Apache choppers, are they?!

The only helicopters stationed at Fort Irwin at the time of the Zombie outbreak were UH-1 Hueys. There was a medevac unit, an OPFOR aviation unit equipped with Hueys modified to look like Soviet Hinds, and an OPs Group support flight. Since then the medevacs have been replaced with LUH-72 Lakotas and the other UH-1 may have been replaced as well.

Whenever a training unit comes through the NTC they bring their own helicopters. The biggest rotation I ever saw featured a combat aviation brigade that brought about 50 helicopters, over 30 of which were Apache gunships. So there could be gunships on the base now, but there is no guarantee.

[Grognaurd]

keep in mind also though, it's LA. LA is very liberal, and liberals tend to lean towards anti-gun. yes i think the supplies they need are somewhere in LA but i don't know in what amounts.

As they say in Skyrim, Whoa whoa whoa, watche the magic...

Replace magic with gun politics.

it is not something we can solve here. it is a very charged issue and it usually just results in people getting hot under the collar.

What the gun laws are or were isn't really important for our heroes. Burt had an RPG a .50 cal, claymore mines and at least one silenced pistol. Maybe you think Burt is a little shady and of questionable moral character. Maybe Burt is your hero as he looks at The System and says ...from my cold dead fingers.

If we are going to go that way, we might as really rip the sabs off...

Maybe Bricks is Jewish. If he is, should he get Saturdays off? Does a pregnant zombie have the right to choose? If a zombie takes no action, is it ok to shoot them because of self defense or is that murder? Do zombies have the right to vote? How long does one have to be a zombie to get to vote in the zombie elections?

Sure, one can argue any and more of these, but it should probably get its own thread.

Do not worry, I am not pissed at anyone and even if I was, I am too old, fat and lazzy to carry a grudge.

[pokoey13]

The only helicopters stationed at Fort Irwin at the time of the Zombie outbreak were UH-1 Hueys. There was a medevac unit, an OPFOR aviation unit equipped whose Hueys modified to look like Soviet Hinds, and an OPs Group support flight. Since then the medevacs have been replaced with LUH-72 Lakotas and the other UH-1 may have been replaced as well.

Whenever a training unit comes through the NTC they bring their own helicopters. The biggest rotation I ever saw featured a combat aviation brigade that brought about 50 helicopters, over 30 of which were Apache gunships. So there could be gunships on the base now, but there is no guarantee.

about the helo's an Apache wouldn't really be of much help unless the survivors had found another hive or if there was a large group of behemoths In one spot taking them on missions otherwise would be a waste of fuel. A Huey on the other hand would be helpful for quick in and out missions.

[Eviebae]

Too...much...ammo...talk...eyes...glazing...over.. ...

[looney]

Too...much...ammo...talk...eyes...glazing...over.. ...

Everytime I start talking about ammo or scouting or being a sniper or.....snore......I feel the same way. No matter how any of us see it, KC is going to make an entertaining and amazing story out of what he sees is reality. As much as I love this forum and finally got back to it, that is reality. Shit I'm drunk.

[reaper239]

In regards to Victor and his short mission, here is a personal story from my first time in Iraq. I was in a 3 man sniper team in an Infantry company, stationed in one of the worst cities in the country at the time. We got called and told we need to support a brigade level mission in Mosul with a platoon, our sniper team, and our headquarters element. The mission would take 12 hours and it was just escorting engineer and fuel assets around the city to other companies that were fighting to take Mosul back from the insurgents. We had about 10 minutes to get ready (our gear was always ready to go, we just packed different things in our assault packs depending on the mission) and get in the trucks to get to Mosul. That 12 hour mission turned in to a 78 hour firefight. My team had enough food for 3 days per person that we carried in our packs, because we always left it there. Granted, we didn't have the time to eat, and went three days without sleep or food, but still we had the food. Being prepared doesn't take much more than saying "this pack stays with me, just like my weapon does".

As far as reloading goes, I'm not an expert but I do reload my pistol rounds. If they have books and equipment, the mallers could easily reload ammo. If they're just trying different loads to see what works, that's a lot of damaged guns. Along with that, you could easily seriously injure or kill someone by loading with the wrong powder in a rifle round. I'm actually really excited to find out why the brass was gathered up. It's an interesting twist after the huge tower battle.

i don't really think the mallers care about injuring their own, if scratch or durai say "shoot this and see what happens" they'll do. i do not, however, think that durai and scratch would be risking their guns.