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    Going through the Maller war again, Kalani as a spy for the second tower makes sense. The plant at the WA tower defected and stopped contacting the Mallers. Why didn't the Mallers attack the WA tower while the trained soldiers were away? They left Paul and Pegs on guard with one gun. Pegs might as well as made a sign that said "take us over now" It must have take a couple of hours to find a route to the stadium. Come on, Bill enough time to steal the food and ammo.

    Everyone gets back and they accidentally stop the zombie attack. Kalani had plenty of time to contact the Mallers to see if Hannah were still alive. Durai or Scratch threatens to kill Hannah again and Kalani spills the beans on the party and the ammo situation. The WA tower spy (who i think is Steven) sees Durai takes a shot at him, and the war starts.
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    I really don't think Steven was the Tower spy/rat. We really didn't hear of him until after the war when the mystery of "Who's the Rat" came up. If we were expected to try and figure out who the rat could be, then it should be someone we had already been introduced to.

    Also, I would assume he came in with the group of "New Arrivals" in Chapter 3, since I don't recall any other influx of unnamed survivors. In that episode Michael narrates that the only people worth noting were Kelly and Tommy. If the Rat had been a part of that group, I'm sure his/her name would have been worth noting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombiphobe View Post
    Also, I would assume he came in with the group of "New Arrivals" in Chapter 3, since I don't recall any other influx of unnamed survivors. In that episode Michael narrates that the only people worth noting were Kelly and Tommy. If the Rat had been a part of that group, I'm sure his/her name would have been worth noting.
    This is by far the most damning piece of evidence against Steven as the rat. "Good job by you, buddy!" (In the Bill Simmons manner).
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    I think people are leaping to conclusions that Hannah is being held by the Mallers. I remind you all we know next to NOTHING about her. Just that she is a girl of some importance to Kalani. He either mentioned her vaguely or had a picture of her in his journal that he willed to Angel and felt she was significant for Angel to know about. For all we know it could be that Kalani just wanted Angel to know about her so Hannah's memory could stay alive. We don't know if she is two or twenty or forty. We don't know if she was the red head on the golf course or not. (I don't believe she was the red head myself). Only KC, Kevin Flood and maybe Shane know who this Hannah girl is, we just know it was someone important to Kalani because he said "my Hannah"

    The reason I say all this is because I don't believe Kalani is the rat. Clearly he could not have been a Maller in disguise or coerced before arriving at the Tower, because there is no way in hell anyone could guess he would make it there. As for spying on the "Other Tower", we have no evidence that the Mallers knew about it while it was still operational. They might know about the site now, with having explored further and then they would just have to clean up some bloodstains. As for shooting Pippin and then running really fast to the garage to leave with Datu, I mean come on people. Watch an episode of the Biggest Loser, Kalani is massive, he can't move that fast, not without coughing up a lung. Even Datu would have been suspicious if Kalani came to the car gasping and shortly afterwards he hears someone shot the Brit. Heck in Chapter 17 Angel was a little winded, but Kalani was about to die when the Behemoth had them cornered. In chapter 7 Saul jokes about Angel being out of shape, so clearly Kalani is far worse. As Nikvoodoo has stated, Kalani physically could not have shot Pippin and then escape without notice.

    In conclusion Kalani is innocent and he died a damn hero. Let him rest in peace.

    I believe the rat was some who became disgruntled by the lack of food and ammo and possibly the irresponsible decision for a party. While I want it to be Kelly, I analyzed it from a story perspective and thus decided it is probably Riley. She doesn't reveal much about herself and spends most of her time supporting others. I just think it would be an awesome dramatic moment for Angel to learn Riley is the Rat. Shane has does some amazing really emotional scenes with Angel. I would love to hear him react to the woman he cares about most in this apocalyptic world revealed to be a traitor. I don't know if Angel would get all emotional and just feel betrayed, get angry or go into denial and try to defend her from Michael. Ooh, the thought of it gives me goosebumps
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    Just a thought... I think Steven may be the rat.... I agree with most that Pippin was planted at the tower on purpose. I do not think he is the rat, but find that he is not being candid about his history with the mallers. To be so close to Scratch- considering she says they still have to drop him off- I find it hard to believe he was not privy to some if not all information in regards to what Scratch is up to- even if he was not the intended audience of such discussions. I do not think Pippin realizes that Scratch is using him as bait and to prove a point to the inhabitants of the tower-- big brother is watching:Bill is not the rat(1984 rocks!). I point to Steven bc I find it odd that he's so insistent on not watching Pippin when asked, like he is trying to avoid any extended period of time with him where both would be forced to interact. I also find it strange that he was so insistent in making Lizzie leave the Tower in past chapter. If Steven is the rat, he would be helping Scratch get to Lizzie easier if she were on her own and helpless for the most part. I think when Pippin says 'you?!?' prior to being killed, he recognizes steven from having recently meeting him earlier with the rest of then gang, has just put two and two together- having some knowledge of Scratch's plan realized. I do not believe Pippin is aware of who Scratch has on the inside.... Until that point.

    My other theory is that the rat is in the tower, but not known to the inhabitants of the tower... Why should we assume that we have even been introduced to the mole? The stuff found in Bill's apartment could've been planted for all we know. Burt found everything after Bill died, and nothing else proves otherwise that Bill actually took all that stuff. This is another set up by Scratch and her crew to temporarily immobilize the tenants- no ammo no food-- no hope-- enough time to attack the tower with little resistance from the tenants. The rat would know of the relationship between the tenants and Bill- who better to blame stuff on- especially after he is out of the picture.

    Lastly--Lizzie was feeling sick prior to the potential rape scene- something to think about if she were poisoned on purpose prior to finally leaving the Tower by the rat. I also thought perhaps she was preggers too and what drives Saul's irrationality is he knows she is too. He's not just hunting for her if indeed she is preggers, he searches for his unborn child as well. Either is plausible.

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    In regards to your Pippin theory: We do know why Pippin was there in the Tower. It was revealed in Chapter 24 during the assault on the Tower when there's the cut scene with Scratch, Bricks, Tardust, and Lizzy what his role was. It was to tell Scratch if Pegs was in the Tower. He was beaten up to sell escape from the Mallers story to the Tower.

    As for the "you" that could apply to anyone he has met in the Tower. It could have even been Pegs (whom he had not met). He'd know who he was searching for from a description and when she appears "You" could mean "Oh! There's the person I was looking for" and then he sees the gun at the side. Blam!

    The reason we should assume we've met everyone that could possibly be the mole is because everyone else in the Tower is dead (presumably). They were either mowed down by zombies as they tried to escape, and whomever didn't make it to the motor pool would have been (again presumably) crushed by the building collapse. It's obviously hard to take Michael at his word that everyone died in the collapse since he's not there anymore to survey the wreckage, but the reason we didn't meet any of them who were important is because they weren't important. Remember what Michael says in chapter 3...the only people of consequence were Kelly and Tommy. He didn't mention Stephen as a person of great import and they had no new arrivals beyond that day.

    Besides all that, I believe the rat has to be one of the 10 main characters (Michael, Saul, Angel, Lizzy, Riley, Pegs, Datu, Kelly, Kalani or Burt). Otherwise what's the point? What is the impact of having a heel turn on someone you don't know?
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    who kill pipin

    Well it had to be someone that survived and was the person that was going up in the latter that was with pipin and had to be someone that everybody trusted angel or another person that is alive
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pikepaw View Post
    As Nikvoodoo has stated, Kalani physically could not have shot Pippin and then escape without notice.
    I think Nikvoodoo was referring to Kalani's ability to run up to Bill's apartment on the top floor after shooting Pippin to stash the silenced pistol. We do not know for sure that this was the case as we weren't told the exact contents of Bill's desk. Taking that out of the equation, I definitely feel Kalani is physically capable of shooting Pippin and escaping without notice, based on the following timeline:

    1. Datu heads down to the Parking Garage to get the car ready while Kalani goes to to tell Michael (on the 5th floor) that they are leaving.
    2. Kalani then goes down to the 4th floor and cuts the wire in the hall before ducking into a neighboring apartment.
    3. Angel leaves the Guard Room and heads up to the 5th floor Armory.
    4. Kalani slips in and shoots Pippin and takes out the radio/communications.
    5. Kalani heads down to the Parking Garage and leaves with Datu.
    6. Kalani checks in with Burt over the radio and "learns" that communication with the Tower is out, giving the impression that they were en route at the time of the shooting.

    In this scenario, Kalani never has to climb any stairs, he is only descending. He also would have had to descend the same number of stairs whether or not he stopped to shoot Pippin, because we know he talked to Michael before he left. So he should be in a comparable physical state when he gets to the Parking Garage.
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    Notebook is kalani the rat

    i believe kalani is the rat. my theory is kalani and his group from Hawaii are over run after landing. the maulers come to the rescue and holds Hannah (someone kalani cares about) hostage and tells kalani to be a rat at the tower in exchange for Hannah's life and the second tower was a place the mulers could put people so when kalani kill pipin(not confirmed) Hannah is shot at the golf course ending there agreement.
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