Zombie/Creature types/ Physical Appearance

[Zombiphobe]

I don't know, they would need a pretty big zoo to have enough. Children though...

How may Little Ones are there? There were two at the Army Reserve Center when Angel and Kalani were looking for the MREs. We heard some in the Arena when Angel and Riley were hiding in the pile of corpses, but we don't know how many. And then there was the ambush on the Maller's convoy in Chapter 21, which I originally thought was primarily Little Ones. However, when I relistened to that scene, Lizzie commented (while driving away) that the one that had attacked their truck was different than the others, smaller. Afterwards, when Scratch saw the severed arm she said it didn't look like it came from any zombie she'd seen. So it sounds like the ambush was primarily normal zombies. Perhaps there aren't that many Little Ones afterall.

[yarri]

I see them more as about 7-8 feet with quite a build up of muscle. The zits could be an indication of Steroid use during their lifetime.

I have to go with Sid on this one. Sorry Crow.. His analysis is logical.
I also think that their skulls are smaller and the brain is lower in the face and into the neck. As they are slower and don't seem to see as well as the others.

[7oddisdead]

How may Little Ones are there? There were two at the Army Reserve Center when Angel and Kalani were looking for the MREs. We heard some in the Arena when Angel and Riley were hiding in the pile of corpses, but we don't know how many. And then there was the ambush on the Maller's convoy in Chapter 21, which I originally thought was primarily Little Ones. However, when I relistened to that scene, Lizzie commented (while driving away) that the one that had attacked their truck was different than the others, smaller. Afterwards, when Scratch saw the severed arm she said it didn't look like it came from any zombie she'd seen. So it sounds like the ambush was primarily normal zombies. Perhaps there aren't that many Little Ones afterall.

We can assume there is at least five(speculation)...the one that had "a piece broke off" had the number five tattooed on its forearm right?...and we had signs of a prison style tattoo gun at the hospital so...

[Anhysbys]

I just have to say this one thing about all the others contemplating added biomass to the behemoths and other types, I've noticed one say it's not reanimation it's just taking an arm and sticking it on. Well they have to be pulling these parts and flesh from a live source. Taking a bit of muscle and implanting it into the skin of a behemoth wouldn't work it'd just be some dead flesh that does nothing. Also, none of the survivors talk about the behemoths having long scars or stitches required to implant that much flesh. Like other people said it'd probably be a hormonal mutation caused by the virus entering an uninfected person's body. The Behemoths also couldn't be too tall since 1 story is about 12-13 feet and the average height to the ceiling would be 8 feet. They'd also be muscley since it would take a hell of alot of fat to make noise and cause shockwaves in the ground, muscle weighs alot more than fat and would be easier to achieve a realistic size/weight ratio to actually cause the shaking. A female elephant can cause this at about an average of 8000 pounds (4 tons) so let's say that anything around half that could cause these shockwaves. It would have to be 2 tons of fat and/or muscle to shake the ground. Also, have you ever seen anything that weighs large amounts go down stairs, a quote from a friend of mine "Cows don't go down stairs"; the not climbing thing may not be the fact that it can't climb, but be more of an "Oh god I can't get down from here without making a crater" feeling. Onto other stuff; when the Leaper appears during The War it's head nearly scrapes the ceiling (8 feet) and it has long spindly maneuverable legs, enough so to lift a leg high enough to kick Saul in the ribs. This points more towards a frog's build with long, lean, powerful legs. I think the z-virus most likely releases the restraints the brain holds on the human body to cause the normals. These restraints usually prevent the body from overly straining itself and tearing itself apart. If you've ever seen someone during a seizure, or other odd condition where the person has less control of the body, they have strength beyond what is normal for their size. Fear also can cause this with injections of adrenaline (once when I was 7 it took 3 nurses, my dad and another guy to hold me down just to give me a shot and I weighed like 70 pounds).

Lastly, sorry for the huge text block. Just found the forum.

[nikvoodoo]

Just a couple of points off of what was said above by anhysbys:

Thank you for falling into the fold of there can't be franken-zombies!

Just because the average ceiling height is 8 feet tall does not mean the behemoths are 8 feet tall or less. After all, we've only really seen one indoors where height would matter (the water works) and in that situation it had a hard time navigating to get to the survivors (I know one was in the Arena too, but hockey rinks have very high ceilings nearly everywhere so it's movement wouldn't be impeded by any structure). The best we can guess is they are less than 10-12 feet tall but possibly right around there because the height of an average garbage truck is about 13-14 feet tall and the Behemoth Skittles described couldn't reach the cat on top.

As for the weight/stair thing: Cows don't walk on two legs. Behemoths do. While they still might have issues, being Bipedal gives them an advantage over a four legged bovine in terms of balance and weight distribution. A cow's weight would all be leaning forward so if it were to actually try to walk down a flight of steps they would invariably fall on their face. Bipeds don't have the same issue since they carry their weight directly over their feet.

[Anhysbys]

True they are bipedal, but to balance out the immense weight they'd have to have to go through walls they would need large feet to spread it out along the largest surface area to prevent them from just breaking their feet into a bunch of bone shards and flesh. You also can't forget the part where Angel and Kalani plan to lead the behemoth through the restaurant to try to collapse it ontop of it. A fast food restaurant usually doesn't have as high ceilings as a pumping station (the pipes could also play a part in the behemoths navigation problems, along with it's bad eyesight) or a hockey rink, it'd still be tall though. They'd still have to clear the roof of the restaurant because it's hard to drive your head through a cement(?) roof continuously and it's hard to move fast while stooping over as much as a 12-15 foot behemoth would. I was mostly getting at the fact that they'd not want to climb because of their immense weight (say climbing onto a big vehicle to get at a cat while weighing about ~1-2 tons), should've avoided using a quadriped as an example...

[GeneTwo]

I wonder if folks had theories on what happened to the Jumpers. Skittles thought they had all died out. Evolved or made they seem to have a specific purpose, to break into towers. When all heck broke loose a lot of people escaped and some must have hunkered down.

Where are you going to go when the radio says that all roads are blocked. Anyway whenever something happens, the authorities always say to stay where you are. LA is a big city with a lot of towers.

So think of the towers are zombie Costcos. I figure if the survivors are looking for food so are the zombies. So less inhabited towers mean less need for Jumpers.

[Solanine]

Purpose built Jumpers would require a long period in which towers were the main source of food, not something I believe there was during the outbreak. Evolution happens on a massive scale over a long period of time. Even with a virus prone to mutations the benefit over the status quo just wouldn't be there. Your wording makes it sound like you believe intelligent design is behind the variants rather than just the virus. I Don't believe this to be true due to the foresight needed. New variants would have to be developed as new problems, some of which would be completely unpredictable, came up. Could be though that the jumpers were created like the rest of them (smart ones, runners, behemoths etc) due too differences in physical traits of hosts, dying out due to rarity of hosts with the required physique and lack practical applications of there talents.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

BEHEMOTH 101:

1. They are too tall to stoop through a doorway
2. Too wide to fit through a door
3. Massive enough to knock down load bearing walls (not just put holes in them).
4. Strong enough to withstand tons of weight falling on them.
5. They can't climb (skittles already stated this FACT).

[Solanine]

BEHEMOTH 101:

1. They are too tall to stoop through a doorway
2. Too wide to fit through a door
3. Massive enough to knock down load bearing walls (not just put holes in them).
4. Strong enough to withstand tons of weight falling on them.
5. They can't climb (skittles already stated this FACT).

This is crowbar, his knowledge is his treasure!