Lock'n Loaded - Guns, Ammo, Military and Survival Stuff

**Teethingbiscuit** · Oct 24th, 2011, 05:56 PM

My two bits here Devilish Pizza.
There is no substitute to actually shooting. Shooting ranges will rent out guns and should be able to give you safety guidelines(even better would be to take a defensive shooting class). Safety is key when handling firearms. The jams I have not been part of my experiences, so I can't speak to that. I can however speak to the enjoyment that can come from shooting safely.
As to your ability to survive a Zombie vs gun fight will come to quite the variables even if you are fully trained. Avoidance and diligence is always the better option(in my opinion).
Teethingbiscuit

**Pikepaw** · Oct 24th, 2011, 07:34 PM

People have covered most of your points, but I will say something about the survivors' accuracy. Lizzie is a naturally good shot, some people just are. They pick up a rifle, get the training and are bullseyeing targets. I have heard of more women where this happens. As for the rest, they aren't always shooting the head. KC said during the live Season 2 finale that the zombies will die from torso damage as well. Like when Burt shot the Jumper in the chest. The survivors aren't always getting headshots, they are getting body hits too, larger target to hit.

Also for Burt's amazing accuracy, there are some people who can do such feats. Annie Oakley is one the most famous trick shot artists, Carlos Hathlock was an amazing sniper in Vietnam, Rob Furlong (shout out to fellow Canadian) can shoot amazing long distance with both left and right hands. Also go on Youtube and watch FPSRussia, your eyes will thank you. That guy once shot a balloon behind him with a pistol while only lining the shot up with a hand mirror.

**reaper239** · Oct 25th, 2011, 07:02 AM

pikepaw makes some very good points, center mass is always easier to hit, and tree to the chest should drop some mofo running around with a knife, but he always does some super leap that cover ten feet in less time than it takes an M4 to put out three rounds and kills me, despite the fact that i unloaded half a clip into his chest... whoa, sorry, videogame flashbacks.

in seriousness, he is right. my buddy barely has to aim and he can effectively put rounds on target. he is also one of the best point shooters i know, meanwhile, if i don't take the time to perfectly line up the shot and control my trigger squeeze, i'm just as likely to hit something behind me as i am to hit my tagret. i'm a really good shot, but he's a natural. regarding FPSRussia, there is not much better entertainment on youtube (annie's original shot was harder

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**Grognaurd** · Nov 18th, 2011, 09:58 AM

A lot of good points. Most of what I have heard has been good. The history channel did a nice show called extreme marksman. Some nice shooting.

But, when they were at the fuel depot my stomach turned. Burt is good, but him just thinking about drawing a pistol, spin ~120 to 180 degrees, acquire the head of an elevated target for a snap shot over iron sights at 100 meters in the twilight? WTF?

Take a few of the difficulties and then I will say OK. Put them all together and even Carlos Hathlock would whistle and say that would be one hell of a shot just considering it. Or heaven, I think divine intervention is your best bet.

**mem** · Nov 18th, 2011, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche

A lot of good points. Most of what I have heard has been good. The history channel did a nice show called extreme marksman. Some nice shooting.

But, when they were at the fuel depot my stomach turned. Burt is good, but him just thinking about drawing a pistol, spin ~120 to 180 degrees, acquire the head of an elevated target for a snap shot over iron sights at 100 meters in the twilight? WTF?

Take a few of the difficulties and then I will say OK. Put them all together and even Carlos Hathlock would whistle and say that would be one hell of a shot just considering it. Or heaven, I think divine intervention is your best bet.

but don't we attribute some superhero qualities to those that we have grown to admire in this drama? there has been more than one super human feat performed in this podcast over the last few seasons.

**HaveCrowBarWillTravel** · Nov 18th, 2011, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Devilish Pizza

I just ask this, because I have no idea about guns (other than from video games), and I'd like to know how accurately they guns are portrayed......
In the show, do they sound the way they do in real life?
Do they really jam as often as real life? (because it seems ridiculously frequent)
Is it actually as easy to aim as the show makes out? (The survivors seem to be able to blow a hole through a zombie's head really easily)
And finally, is Burt's accuracy actually realistic for an expert marksman? (I mean seriously, he shot a shotgun out of Bill's hands, with a DE)

I understand that most of these are used to build tension, or progress the plot. I would just like t know how I would fare against a zombie horde if I managed to get hold of a gun.

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Reaper was correct with his reply about the M16's jamming (malfunction). I can say that I probably had 1 malfunction each time I qualified on that beast. When we started getting the M16A1's, it happend less. One thing I will add is that most malfuctions can be charged to the magazine not seating correctly or a bad round.

Burt's ability with a weapon is not unusual, it's just unique. I've seen shows where guys are shooting holes in dimes that are thrown in the air. Mythbusters actually did a show with a guy to see if he could actually shoot a rope in half (simulated saving a guy from hanging). It didn't pan out, but the rope was hit each time he shot at it. I'll also add that my ex wife was a better shot with the M16 than I was (I got even with her when we qualified on the M9..hehehha). I'm qualifying that with the understanding that some people just shoot better and other people are f'n wizards with a firearm.