Chapter 24 discussion- "The Harder They Fall"

[GD_Elite]

@Raith
There were 7 survivors and a dog on the chopper
Michael, Pegs, Riley, Datu, Kelly, Tanya, Hope and Lady.

Steven got lumped in with the other minor characters. Who got made lunch while trying to escape, or crushed by the tower falling on them. The exception being Lewis who was presumably still tied up when the tower fell.

I think its more than possible that Saul, Lizzy and Victor all got away. It would appear that Lizzy was left alone in the confusion. They got out the Hummer, and presumably would have headed over to her.

Extra note: That artwork is sweet!

[Grognaurd]

In another thread I postulated that juvenile records could be sealed, right? A background check might not find that

[nikvoodoo]

I just noticed, that just before the Hummer shows up on the scene,~37:30 Scratch says to Angel, "Good bye, Old...."(interrupted). I think this could have been her about to say Old Friend. I think she has remembered how she knows him, and this makes it seem like she might want to keep him alive for it.

I haven't seen anyone else touch on this, but I think she was saying Goodbye Old Man. Burt was the last person to talk to the Mallers over the radio. Seems like that would be the person she was talking to was the last person to talk to her.

[beezball]

Sorry, gd.....totally.happened. Can someone tell me if beez cried on the kamakazi mission kalani went on?

Yes... yes I did.

[GD_Elite]

I haven't seen anyone else touch on this, but I think she was saying Goodbye Old Man. Burt was the last person to talk to the Mallers over the radio. Seems like that would be the person she was talking to was the last person to talk to her.

You are probably right, I forgot about Burt taking the radio. It doesn't completely rule out the possibility of what I said. However, if you are right it is more evidence towards the mallers having taken Burt, because thats another time that she refers to him as old man, which is what is said after the credits.

[nikvoodoo]

You are probably right, I forgot about Burt taking the radio. It doesn't completely rule out the possibility of what I said. However, if you are right it is more evidence towards the mallers having taken Burt, because thats another time that she refers to him as old man, which is what is said after the credits.

Absolutely true. It doesn't rule it out that she might have been talking to Angel, but I'mma go Occam's Razor on it. It is the simplest solution, meaning, using the same principle, she was most likely talking about Burt/Burt's Body in the epilogue of the chapter.

We've already seen remains be used as "bargaining chips" so to speak. Scratch might be doing the same by reclaiming Tower bodies and promising to defile them or something. Of course the odd thing is she has found what she was looking for...so is her claiming to want Pegs a ruse to get close and distract the Tower from her real purpose? Or is Pegs still a priority in her mind?

[GD_Elite]

I think you might be onto something with the mallers wanting dead bodies. After the credits, when Bricks says he found someone, Scratch asks if this one was alive. This could suggest that the "old man" is in fact dead, and only the very injured person is confirmed to be alive.

I don't think that Scratch would only be pretending to want Pegs, considering that the whole chapter she was saying she wanted her, and that pegs killed he brother (obviously).

There is some proof for your idea though. Scratch assumes a lot about the tower. She assumes that the golf course trade was a bluff, and she assumes that they wouldn't kill Pippin. It could be possible that she assumed that they wouldn't send out Pegs, and was trying to get them to accept the offer to surrender and fight the zombs.

However, I think it is quite likely that she might have found a better bargaining chip than just Lizzy or a corpse. It is important to note that it is not stated that the survivor is what she was looking for.

Lol, perhaps she found Mr. Whiskers and knows that Pegs would willingly trade herself for the cat.

[nikvoodoo]

Mr whiskers ......

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...

[Cabbage Patch]

Here's my "Kalani is the Rat" scenario.
• Kalani lands a planeload of survivors from Hawaii, including "his Hannah" at LAX.
• They are captured by the Mallers.
• Recognizing the special relationship between Kalani and Hannah, the Mallers force Kalani to work for them, planting him as a spy in the "Other Tower", using Hannah as a hostage to guarantee his behavior. Somewhere in here one of the Mallers comments that Hannah is the last redhead left in LA.
• Kalani gets captured by the zombies when the Other Tower falls, and is rescued from the Arena by our Tower.
• Kalani uses the CB to get back in contact with the Mallers. He tells them the names of the leaders and lets them know about the party, which provides the perfect cover for the Mallers' attack.
• After the attack Kalani has second thoughts about helping the Mallers and stops communicating with them. Maybe something Scratch says helps; I can imagine her playing head games with Kalani and telling him that Hannah was already dead.
• Kalani recognizes Pippin as one of the Mallers and kills him. Before he leaves for LAX he writes a confessional message that he hides in Bill's desk.
• On the helicopter trip back to the Tower Saul and Michael mention the death of the redheaded woman at the golf course, and Kalani realizes that it had to be Hannah.
• Kalani uses the helicopter to stop the Mallers' attack, explaining on the radio about Hannah and telling Angel where to find his confession.
It's not an ideal scenario, and I hate the thought of Kalani being the rat, but I think it matches the facts in evidence.

[beezball]

That episode is stuck in my head and moved me so much i had to donate, so here is my $25 for the kalani Tower Fund (Listen to the aftershow of the live steam to get the referance), kalani you will be missed, i just wish i could of been in the chopter with you, listening to Highway to Hell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsDpznl8eIs

I'm liking this! I knew it was a good idea!