Chapter 23 Pt 1 - The Devil's Workshop

[Bulldog711]

I apologize if people have brought these things up;

Just bullshitting with some guys in the office but one main thing is WHERE THE HELL DID KELLY COME FROM!

- Kelly showed up to help Steven and Michael battle the zombies but she had a gun and got there pretty quickly. Now it wasnt a silenced pistol by the sound of it, but a few quick twists of the silenced barrel and you have a normal pistol. Could this be a hint to her being the killer? I have always suspected Kelly as the RAT and the Killer on the basis that she was always worried about her own safety and could have easily reached out to the Mallers in an attempt to find a safe group to protect her. Why would she be the killer? To protect her name from being unearthed and maybe because she realized that Pippen was there to check up on her and also act as a mole for the Mallers.

RANDY!!!!! I think everyone has touched on this enough but I agree that Randy could very well be someone Michael met while at the pumping station......or on his way back

Burt is retelling the story of the hospital battle.....this has to be after the fact of course. The only other person we have seen give an interview like review of an event was Michael at the begginning of the entire story. Is KC slowly creating a list of ultimate survivors? If so we have Michael and Burt......

Now the ultimate goal right now for the Tower is to get to the Army Base......could Burt be giving a debriefing to army officials?

Also, I guess KC fancies himself a lil Tarrentino eh? Showing us Burt n' co fighting the zombies in the hospital at the start and then back tracking to tell the story........this is a first for this series no? Why the change in storyboard forumla?

[Grognaurd]

Kelley was at the next door meeting. She is talking with someone about loading water. Michael tells her to stay, but she comes with Michael and steven. When they raided the Armory at the colony (just a couple of days ago.) , she picked up a glock. I can see her wearing it in a holster.

[Hollomandious]

I wish i had the mental power to read this entire thread and then reply. But i don't, so imma just give my thoughts.

1. I think Randy is the sole reason Michael got out of the Waterworks. But he won't talk about it, so, we'll see.
2. The small ones w/ the tattoos are proof enough for me to believe Ink is harvesting people and turning them into to more powerfull zombies. This probably explains all the big ones and such.
3. Ink knows about the tower, he sent biters there to go and try to collect a few more live specimens. Tanya just happened to be outside when she showed up. Remember, they also didn't leave after they got in a fight, meaning, they are suppose to be there.
4. Mallers hit the Arena, but not to the extent they hoped they would. Ink then rallied the troops, and moved to a new location. Per ep2 Ink was held at a "Mental Health Facility." Maybe that facility was at the hospital.

I can't think of more at the moment.

[Th3_T3ch]

Hollomandious and Bulldog711 I congradulate you on being the first one to put two and two together and make a GOOD connection about Randy and the WaterWorks, I also believe that is where Randy came in. I also believe that he died or was captured by the biters shortly afterword, giving Michael an experience he isn't too fond of. What we know of the zombies is- They, or atleast one of them, is strategic enough to form an Army and create Traps. They go after the more dangerous groups( I.E. Convoy, Other Tower, Maller Convoy). The Mallers must be creating their own zombies (i.e. Tar talking about "Jonny" in present tense, and "The Sisters"). The Tower has proven themselves dangerous (i.e. The Arena, Burt) and now must be dealt with.
So what makes them unable to create a perfectly strategical plan, such as Blockading and trapping the hospital team. Also the Army could have just been on its way to exact revenge on the Mallers when they stubled upon the Hospital. I do believe that Lizzy isn't dead, how would her Journal entry of the attack on the Arena have been told in detail. Tar and Bricks could be dead, but not likely as Tar is smart with explosives and Bricks is a BEAST!
The Maller is probably on the side of the tower now, he only killed Pippin to make sure that the Tower didn't mistrust... HIM. I believe the rat to be Kalani. I have already said this but it appears that some people don't read every post religiously, YOU WOULD WANT EVERY PERSON IN THE BUILDING NEXT TO THE TOWER TO HAVE A WEAPON, THE MALLERS COULD ATTACK AND THEN YOU HAVE THE FLESH BITERS THAT COULD SHOW UP. IT WOULD BE WEIRD IF SHE DIDN'T HAVE A WEAPON. Nik I don't remember what you said that was slightly wrong, but I will get back to you on that.

We saw that they kept zombies close by in buildings near the Tower, is it possible that they would know who is important to each group around the city? Assuming the zombies overwhelmed the Mallers and took them alive and dragged them back across the city to the hospital and the Tower area, could it be for the specific reason to create a rise out of the survivors they might encounter?

So the only body being dragged near the Tower was Tanya's and she is still alive. There we're no bodies dragged TO the Tower, but Randy dragging one away. Knew you said a minor thing wrong. Had to correct you.

[smalls kenobi]

Kalani already used that quote when he fed a behemoth a mouthful of copper coated lead.

OH YEAH!! Totally Forgot :P

[Jeebogs]

Jeez, these zombie's are like buses aren't they? You wait ages for one, then a whole army turns up at once!

I'm thinking Riley is starting to nail her own coffin in the whole 'whose the rat' debate. Drinking to forget anyone?

Not so sure I'm on board with Ink, TOWTM or whomever acting as zombie leader, as it would mean the rest of the zombie's have a certain level of intelligence to carry out orders and exercise a level of restraint (not eating\biting - they must certainly be getting peckish by now eh?)

Randy is totally the reason Michael got out of the pumping station with just a broken arm. I think he must have helped and in the process got caught. Maybe Michael even saw him 'turn'.

Burt is still alive, the very first part, where they are trapped with nowhere to go, he then says "let me go back a little further..."

[7oddisdead]

An interesting thought just occurred go me...michael started this whole story off in much the same manner as burt did this chapter. Could this be an early indication of Michaels death?...i highly doubt it, but that would make a bit of sense in that context..

And now for no sense.....
Everybody seems to be predicting the demise of one of the major characters...mostly...burt...im gonna come out of left field and say....DATU.-__-

[cupcakezombie]

One other thing of interest that we haven't discussed yet is the album artwork. Looking at the pic it seems to be someone in a pinstripe suit. Also of interest is the hand. To me it looks like it could be either a tattooed red x, or a scar in the shape of an x.
This also fits with the Devils Workshop Title

[Adventureless_Hero]

I commented on the artwork a little, mostly noting that the figure carried an arrow, no doubt one of Riley's. I can't really see the marking on his hand you speak of, but perhaps my monitor is weaker than yours. Although I do believe that this figure could be Ink/Pin Stripes, I'm curious as to why his suit is so clean. I mean it could just be the manner the artwork is done, but if it is a zombie I just feel his clothes should be a bit more grimey. Unless Ink/Pin Stripes is that pimp!

[GD_Elite]

Hollomandious and Bulldog711 I congradulate you on being the first one to put two and two together and make a GOOD connection about Randy and the WaterWorks

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Randy. I reckon Michael met him in water pumping station, but I am curious to know if Michael knew him before this all started, or could it be a Datu/Samantha situation. lol

Is my connection to GOOD?

I don't think you can rule out that Burt will die this chapter. I think the way he starts with the present suggests that he is writing/talking about it close to the time that the events have taken place in. I don't necessarily think it will definately happen in the next two chapters, but I don't think its fair to rule out the possibility. If Burt is going to die, I think he will die sacrificing himself to save others and there is potential for that to happen in the next chapter or two. I also think that he will meet Saul/Lizzy again as these are the 2 characters he is closest to (fuel truck mission), but also because the worst things that happened to them were a consequence of his actions and he feels responsible for them. (Saul shot/Lizzy kicked out)

@Adventureless_Hero: Is it not possible that he could have got a new suit? He's smart enough to be able to talk, understand the potential of weapons, and infiltrate towers as well as to lead large quantities of other zombies. Is it not possible he has the sense, to go shopping for a new suit as well? I mean the other one did have two bullet holes in.

I'm going to post my theory, so you can all admire how crazy it is. The zombies going to the hospital to repair/heal/fix themselves. This is why I think this:

• The zombies are going to a hospital rather than any other building in LA.
• After the Maller's attack on the arena, many of the zombies have been burned. (pinstripes has been shot 3 times aswell)
• Another main zombie that has been injured has an arrow through it's eye. We know big ones are going to the hospital too, hence the cover artwork.
• The title has workshop in it. This suggests to me that it could be a place where things are taken apart and put back together again.
• Where do zombies get spare parts? Survivors of course. Hence the living humans being brought back.
• It is possible that some of the zombies do in fact feel pain. This is shown by some zombies understanding the impact of weapons (pinstripes getting shot, big one covering face). This could mean they need some medical attention too.
  
  6 reasons: more than most theories. What do other people think to this?