Is Michael heading for another big I told you so?

[Grognaurd]

Oh how do I used the convoy to determine the direction to the other tower? My assumption is that the items they collected are not needed by the zombies and would remain. If the convoy is empty they are probably headed out. Loaded with batteries bottled water caned goods they are headed back. Yes it could be a side street. But I would give different weights to other clues. This has to be a route they took regularly for the trap to be set. I do not think the zombies would setup a trap in a completely random location hoping to catch something without bait

[Grognaurd]

I do not even try to figure out driving in the cities. I practically piss my pants in those concrete canyons. One I was in NYC at a traffic light cement going up higher than I can see on either side. The absolute split second the light turned green someone was laying on the horn. I am not exagerating it was not a couple of seconds. It was time zero. Oh oh puppy attack bev back later

[Jeebogs]

Michael seems to be pushing really hard to fly away. Getting people to pack up etc. But, I do not get the impression its recon. They are obviously worried about weight so that means not a lot of extra water.

Three tours in Iraq and Michael has to know the importance of water. Lack of water can kill more quickly than zombies, because one cannot hide from lack of water and no mater how many times it is shot, the threat of lack of water is not diminished.

Wasn't it Angel and Burt's idea to move to Fort Irwin? They convinced him it was the only viable option when he got back from the colony and he's making the best of what he's got.

You are right water is important, but they have no water in the tower. Apart from a supply run they did recently. Sure it's a gamble to get to fort Irwin, but Like Michael surmised, the base has it's own power and water.

Now whether they actually get there in the fist place is a different matter. I'm thinking it could go either of two ways. They struggle to get there (things happen to hamper their departure, possibly one of the choppers going down and a rescue mission is needed etc etc) but they do get there. OR they can't, for whatever reason, pull it off and end up staying either in the tower or finding something more suitable ie. less banged up.

Neither of which I can see being Michael's fault.

[Grognaurd]

Quickie. Re Kalani my assumption is LAX is outside of urban center. In his trip, did the buildings get bigger and more dense or was it more like row houses

[Grognaurd]

Ugh my iPad is crapping out when I try to zoom in on the map. It seems like LA is not on the ocean. So my current assumption is the photo shown is taken from the hills looking west

Oh one other thing about water. Sure the water works may be screwed up. But they still have the fire truck. It would be capable of triving up to any reservoir or other water source and suck it up and drive it back to the home base. Pump it up to the roof storage and voila no more water problems. No resevoirs. Hit up a few of the local swimming pools and use it as grey water and keep the bottled water for drinking.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

Ugh my iPad is crapping out when I try to zoom in on the map. It seems like LA is not on the ocean. So my current assumption is the photo shown is taken from the hills looking west

Oh one other thing about water. Sure the water works may be screwed up. But they still have the fire truck. It would be capable of triving up to any reservoir or other water source and suck it up and drive it back to the home base. Pump it up to the roof storage and voila no more water problems. No resevoirs. Hit up a few of the local swimming pools and use it as grey water and keep the bottled water for drinking.

Water water everywhere....
Water wouldn't be an issue because they're flying. You can see plenty good from the heights they'll be at. Any map will show them where the nearest lakes are. I'm going to assume that they have water purification devices or pills. Potable water is the big issue.
If you take a look at the map of Ft. Erwin, you'll see there is a large body of water SE. Any Army installation worth 2 cents is going to have a good number of "Water Buffalos" to use. WB's are trucks with a super huge bladder in the back. They fill those up and take out to the "Field" during exercises..sorry, Civilian term would be war games or training.

How to pump the water from a lake is above and outside my lane.

[Grognaurd]

a lake is good as long as it is not seasonal. Waterbuffalos are good. But, I do not like the assumption that they will be there ready to go. Even if the outbreak never got there, If Alpha Company threw down with Delta company who knows how much damage would result. For purification one could use a sand / activated charcoal water column.

I am worried that this is a live-fire base. My guess is the army tends to place these in areas where there are not a lot of people. If there are not a lot of people the terrain in probably not very hospitable. I would reall really want to recon. Maybe even leapfrog. Edwards Airbase was along the route right? Things have changed. But, back in my day if the shit hit the fan the SAC (strategic Air Command) would lock down hard and avoid the initial onslaughts.

If we think about the evolution of civilizations we were hunter gatherers. A bunch of humans squat down in an acre or two are doing to deplete it pretty damn quick. So, pick up move on. I would strongly suggest getting several more dogs. Muts if possible. Let them free breed a few generations to get back to the ancestral dog. It is my opinion that Man really did not make great leaps forward until he domesticated dogs. Their hearing and smell complemt our sight and feeling skills.

Ah, this is way more than you want to hear. But, the tower has to think about foraging. Self-sustaining agriculture for a group of 30 is a hell of a lot of work and is not going to be spun up 0 to 60mph so to speak any time soon.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

DUDE! WTF do you know about SAC,TAC and MAC?? Woooo weee! The good old Cold War days! ROFL!

Edwards is on the way. Speaking of which, I now know i can talk with you without explaining crap. LOL!

[Grognaurd]

Sure, Here, how is this SAC TAC MAC I did not not see that you just wrote those.

Tactical Air Command
Military Airlift Command

I grew up outside of a SAC base. KC135 and FB-111

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

Sure, Here, how is this SAC TAC MAC I did not not see that you just wrote those.

Tactical Air Command
Military Airlift Command

I grew up outside of a SAC base. KC135 and FB-111

I spent plenty of nights sitting in a patrol vehicle on the flight line watching KC135's at Malmstrom AFB in Montana.