Chapter 22- "Our Doubts Are Traitors" part 2

[Ra1th]

I went back and re-listened. I thought it was Kelly the first time around, not so much this time. She has an alibi during the party. Considering she was the one that wanted to party, she was having a good time flirting on every guy, and she's the one who started to throw furniture at the Mallers, I don't see her as the rat.

She could have had a change of heart like michael says

[AdrianHD]

She could have had a change of heart like michael says

What I'm going off from the earlier episode is that if she is the rat, she talked to them early -- BUT, I don't get why she'd call the Mallers while she was all for a day off and party.

I'm pretty confident the rat is Riley. There's a LOT of evidence towards this.

[Kn1ckerb0cker33]

What I'm going off from the earlier episode is that if she is the rat, she talked to them early -- BUT, I don't get why she'd call the Mallers while she was all for a day off and party.

I'm pretty confident the rat is Riley. There's a LOT of evidence towards this.

Sounds interesting! Care to lay it on us? =D

[wh33t]

I've never cared personally for the Riley as the rat theory, but here is something I just thought of. If she is the rat, perhaps her and Scratch have some kind of romantic history together?

Also, can anyone recall if Pippen has ever seen Riley before? Pippen clearly recognized his shooter, if he has had a pleasant encounter with Riley before I think that dumps the Riley as the shooter theory into the waste bin.

Also, I just want to toss something out there to the community. If the shooter is loyal to the tower why would they have shot the radio as well?

[AdrianHD]

Sounds interesting! Care to lay it on us? =D

I was going to hold a few of the points since I was supposed to be on WND, but Britt hasn't gotten back to me yet. S'all good saying my points though.

-She was rejected from Lizzy just before the Tower had their meeting with Scratch and Latch. She was also tipsy/drunk while they were talking. I feel like this could've given her a sense of betrayal.
-She has her shop stolen from during the tattoo'd zombie invasion. I think this fueled more distrust.
-She didn't say a thing during the vote for a day off.
-Angel has to go and "find" her during the party. She only appeared pre-party to set up.
-While Angel picked Riley to help get the water from the firetruck, he brings up "trust." This is peculiar since minutes before, Bill was thought to be the rat by the group. Seems like a foreshadowing to Riley being the rat.

[HardKor]

I've never cared personally for the Riley as the rat theory, but here is something I just thought of. If she is the rat, perhaps her and Scratch have some kind of romantic history together?

Also, can anyone recall if Pippen has ever seen Riley before? Pippen clearly recognized his shooter, if he has had a pleasant encounter with Riley before I think that dumps the Riley as the shooter theory into the waste bin.

Also, I just want to toss something out there to the community. If the shooter is loyal to the tower why would they have shot the radio as well?

Riley's been "drunk" on the roof since coming back from the attempt to rescue Lizzie, or at least she's implied to have been. So I doubt she had any interaction with Pippin.

As for shooting the radio, red herring maybe? Riley was fairly insistent about there being another radio. So if the shooter is loyal to the Tower and knew there was another radio, then shooting the radio looks suspicious but doesn't do much real harm to the Tower.

[Hellbringer]

Definitly! and i think leedo and everyone else are gonna have a cow when they find out what type the helicopter was XD

yes... a huge Jersey Cow for me! I called Jolly Green Giant... I'm going geeky and saying "w00t!"

[cupcakezombie]

2:11-3:56/21:19 (Time from which Kalani leaves the room to when the Alarm sounds [1 minute, 45 seconds])

Hmm, I have my doubts about Kalani being fast enough to do this, remember he is Chubs McGee (he's fat). Also Datu doesn't seem the type to lie about Kalani being with him the whole time before the alarm sounded. I don't see a motive for either two to assassinate Pippin or to be the rat as it is in their best interest to keep the tower safe.

But depending on when Datu got the message he might not have remembered what they were doing at that exact time. If he was in the garage then he probably didn't even hear the alarm. Also, I don't even think Kalani would have had time to get down 5 flights of stairs in 1 minute and 45 secs, let alone both of them having got in the car and left the building. (If the time line ends up being solid, ie not other time elapsed from when Kalani left Michael and Tanya to the alarm going off)

Kalani is a valid option because we know nothing about him, but I doubt he is the rat at all because of his not being at the tower for the war and we have no clue how long he was at the rink so slim to no chance on kalani.

Also Kalani was at the tower for the war, he was picked up from the Arena in Chapter 10.

[Kn1ckerb0cker33]

But depending on when Datu got the message he might not have remembered what they were doing at that exact time. If he was in the garage then he probably didn't even hear the alarm. Also, I don't even think Kalani would have had time to get down 5 flights of stairs in 1 minute and 45 secs, let alone both of them having got in the car and left the building. (If the time line ends up being solid, ie not other time elapsed from when Kalani left Michael and Tanya to the alarm going off).

So...are you saying he did or didn't do it?

[wh33t]

Riley's been "drunk" on the roof since coming back from the attempt to rescue Lizzie, or at least she's implied to have been. So I doubt she had any interaction with Pippin.

As for shooting the radio, red herring maybe? Riley was fairly insistent about there being another radio. So if the shooter is loyal to the Tower and knew there was another radio, then shooting the radio looks suspicious but doesn't do much real harm to the Tower.

You'll have to explain what the term "red herring" means. Is that some kind of fabled fish?

I don't get the purpose of shooting the radio if you are loyal to the tower though. Even if there is another one what is the point of shooting it? It's not like Hope was gonna jump on the radio and tell Saul or Burt that some mysterious figure just shot Pippen?

Or would she? I don't think so. She can barely speak after the event happened to Michael, let alone push buttons on a radio.

Can anyone recall if Scratch and Riley have ever had an encounter? Was Riley a prominent fighter in that great battle that took place between the Tower and the Mallers?