Chapter 22 - "Our Doubts Are Traitors" - Part 1

[MrScott101]

whooo,.... 20 pages of reading took forever! and of course the one thing the repeatedly was getting missed either Nik or Raith got to it before me! Of Course!

The alarm was tripped meaning it didn't matter who has keys or not. Pippen got the double tap and I think either Hope was shot or shot near the ears to make things harder. However there was no hesitation between all 3 shots, so whoever the shooter is they clearly don't have a problem with shooting anyone.

I really don't think the radio was shot, just because Saul and Burt couldn't get ahold of anyone doesn't mean the radio was shot, just means there's no one to pick up the other end.

I like the idea that the shooter may not be the rat but Pippen's reaction clearly shows that this person was one and the same. It wasn't a reaction of oh I just met you within the last couple of days and now you have a gun. It was whoa I remember you from somewhere else. Plus a thing that hasn't been mentioned or maybe not as clearly. Maybe the rat was told to take more action once they had the signal. This signal being someone you recognize that is expendable. Sleeper cells have shown to go about your daily business for years if need be.

I think the Victor cologne bit will bring up a plot to frame him and despite how much steven may grate on your nerves I don't think it's him. Originally I thought the rat was Kalani but this chapter shows he's clearly not. I think at this point the rat is someone not introduced yet that has been hiding in the shadows and that even the name of this chapter clearly shows that the group as we know is going to get crazy about who the rat is and point fingers towards each other. That will completely blindside and throw all sorts of wrenches into the next month's worth of theories and ideas.

[cupcakezombie]

The 'sniff' at the end sounds to me like something is being swung around fast.
Also, I can't hear much of a difference between the Angels feet and the other feet running at the end. But that doesn't say much cause cause the alarm is covering Angel running out.
A final thing I noticed re-listening to this is that the alarm has faded out/stopped before the last shot. If it has stopped could this mean that Angel is resetting the alarm while the shooter is still in the room, thus ruling him out?

[Creem_Filling]

A final thing I noticed re-listening to this is that the alarm has faded out/stopped before the last shot. If it has stopped could this mean that Angel is resetting the alarm while the shooter is still in the room, thus ruling him out?

That makes sense. Like I said before. I can't see it being him. Why would he run out of the room and then turn around to kill Hope and Pippin? Him murdering people would have to be pretty pre-meditated and if he had planned on killing them, then wouldn't he have shot them and then left the room to go turn off the alarm?

[j0be]

Didn't someone say they were going to compile the chat into a pdf or something so those that missed it could still read through the logs of the chat? I would heart me some of that since I missed it!

I compiled it now, check out the thread here. It is edited and reordered to be easier to read. (People posting answers to previous questions, etc.)

You know what I'm pissed that I just realized? You hinted on Friday that Hope was going to die or something like that during the Cast Chat. But of course I didn't catch it then.

Did I?

[LINK]
Current Question: If you could switch characters with another on We're Alive, who would you pick?
Kc: I wanna be Tommy
Kc: ...or Hope.
Kc: A hint? :P

[Kn1ckerb0cker33]

I compiled it now, check out the thread here. It is edited and reordered to be easier to read. (People posting answers to previous questions, etc.)

Excellent work j0be, and a great effort by itsallgoodie.

[mascaria]

Also I wanted to say... I get why everyone is all "it was Steven" now but I trust Kc as a writer far too much to think that he'd give us so obvious a bad guy.

[kairon00]

Lets look at the suspects Michael, Peggs, Kelly, Riley, Victor, Hope, Tanya, Saul, Angel, Burt, Datu, Kalani & Steven

First, who knew about the silenced weapons because Burt kept them locked up Michael, Peggs, Kelly, Victor, hope, Tanya, Saul, Angel, Burt

Burt and Saul were at LAX you can't be in two places at once

Datu and Kalani had already left the tower

Angel left to go to the armoury, no one would fall for their own trap also Hope cannot fire a gun and was in the room at the time

The traitor has been with the tower for some time meaning Victor, Hope or Tanya cannot be the traitor

Assuming the traitor fired the shot at the mallers Peggs cannot be the traitor due to her being in the stairwell at the time as well as her lack of gun skills

Steven was a recently introduced character it would be a copout for him to be the traitor, also he was introduced after the initial incidents with the traitor

That leaves Michael, Riley and Kelly

My opinion is Kelly is the traitor and here is why. She knew about the silenced weapons, talked to Michael about who was on guard shift next, was in the initial interrogation with Pippin, pulled guard duty right before for six hours and listen to Pippin talk and was unaccounted for during the early stages of the war with the mallers.

Also for those who wonder why there was the last shot we all have concluded it was the radio or Hope but why?
This might be an answer for the radio question, the traitor might have shot it to keep from Burt and Saul from telling the tower the silenced pistol was missing causing the tower to find out when they come back. Just a thought.

[nikvoodoo]

Also I wanted to say... I get why everyone is all "it was Steven" now but I trust Kc as a writer far too much to think that he'd give us so obvious a bad guy.

And it's that exact reason I I railed against Kalani and Kelly and chose Datu. Sadly, I chose wrong. Shoulda picked Riley or Pegs or somethin'.

@kairon: by your own logic, you have to eliminate Michael too. He was in the room when the shots were fired.

And Kelly was very quickly accounted for in the war. She was the one who was throwing furniture first (12-1 ~16:00). But you are correct: Riley and Kelly are unaccounted for during the shots heard round the world.

[Creem_Filling]

And it's that exact reason I I railed against Kalani and Kelly and chose Datu. Sadly, I chose wrong. Shoulda picked Riley or Pegs or somethin'.

I don't think it's Pegs. And I'm not just saying that because I'm in love with her. She wouldn't even touch a gun not long before, and I can't see her from going to hating guns and crying over killing an enemy to murdering innocents. It's like me going purely carnivore all of the sudden, and I'm a vegetarian. It's too big of a change I think.

[nikvoodoo]

I don't think it's Pegs. And I'm not just saying that because I'm in love with her. She wouldn't even touch a gun not long before, and I can't see her from going to hating guns and crying over killing an enemy to murdering innocents. It's like me going purely carnivore all of the sudden, and I'm a vegetarian. It's too big of a change I think.

I know Pegs would be an impossible choice for the Shot Heard Round the World reason...unless there are two rats.... I'm just lamenting being wrong is all. I don't know who it is, and I'm going to try not to think about it too hard anymore. I feel that plot line's endgame is coming and I want to enjoy the ride