Who's The Rat v2.0

[Snickelsox]

Ok so you got me on the Burt not braining his way out of a sack point. However I mentioned time and time again that Burt was the "reluctant rat" if he was at all. In fact I do not think that the word "rat" is good for this situation, so I want to start calling him an informant, still a reluctant one though. I personally do not like the idea that Bill was set up to take the blame, it makes things too convoluted. I like to imagine that he did that for completely different reasons, possibly just being greedy.

For all of this to work the rat would have had to been VERY sneaky and a very good liar ....oooorrrrrr there could have been more than one rat. Two rats would only need to exist (in my vision) if Bill had in fact been set up, if he stole the food to be a jerk then the Mallers would have just been taking advantage of a situation caused by a selfish moron. So if there were two rats that would mean that while Burt and the others were at the Arena then the other rat could steal the food and the ammo. Burt may not have had any idea that this would happen because the Mallers may not have told the rats about each other. Rat one (who if they did exist I think would have been Bill) would have been gathering food and ammo in the elevator, while rat two (Burt) was keeping the Mallers informed. Burt would have not seen the attack coming if he was only updating the Mallers.

Also I mentioned that His store being raided before he got there was very unlikely, not that he planned the raid but something with that time line is fishy.

Lastly I want to state once more that the stuff in this post and the one before only work if Bill was framed or was the second rat.

One last thing, I expected to get ripped to shreds in typical Forum fashion, gladly I have only been minimally insulted :P Thanks

[WestonWisdom]

For all of this to work the rat would have had to been VERY sneaky and a very good liar ....oooorrrrrr there could have been more than one rat. Two rats would only need to exist (in my vision) if Bill had in fact been set up, if he stole the food to be a jerk then the Mallers would have just been taking advantage of a situation caused by a selfish moron. So if there were two rats that would mean that while Burt and the others were at the Arena then the other rat could steal the food and the ammo. Burt may not have had any idea that this would happen because the Mallers may not have told the rats about each other. Rat one (who if they did exist I think would have been Bill) would have been gathering food and ammo in the elevator, while rat two (Burt) was keeping the Mallers informed. Burt would have not seen the attack coming if he was only updating the Mallers.

Not only the food was taken, so was the ammo, and Burt seemed pretty pissed when it happened. I'm sorry, but the whole Burt/Scratch dynamic seems to awesome to be faked, it's one of my favorite parts of the show, and there is no reason he could be blackmailed, after the loss of Shirley, it's been him and his gun, no shit for brains mallers are going to force him to do anything.

If Bill did still the food, he did so because he was selfish and a recluse who wanted to survive. He never was the Rat, his apology during the war was for something else, possibly stealing the food.


The two rat theory? Interesting.

[Snickelsox]

Well regardless of who, or whom, the rat is I am putting my flag on Burt. I would not put it past Kc to Pull a Heavy Rain Scott Shelby situation on us. Also thanks for the feedback!

[clparson]

Ok guys! I think I figured out who the rat is. I think my argument is pretty solid. Here it comes...


KALANI!

We first meet him at the Arena when Datu was captured by the zombies. Samantha says that she doesn't know who Kalani is and that he was there before she was brought there.

Kalani fakes an illness so the zombies don't pick him. Very deceitful!

Then, back at the tower during the party, I don't remember where Kalani was when everyone was getting drunk. I haven't had the chance to listen to it again before posting this, but even if he was in the scene, he wasn't there for very long. I think it was during the party that Kalani contacts his old pals, the Mallers.

Fast forward to when Angel and Kalani are getting the MRE's. Skittles says that he knows him from somewhere, but Kalani denies knowing him. If Kalani was really at the tower, wouldn't Kalani have known who Skittles was? And Skittles has already proven to have a good memory, having remembered the socks he received from Angel.
I think Kalani infiltrated the other Tower and then allowed the zombies in to kill everyone off. After that, the Mallers would have come in and taken all of the supplies or even the building as a new shelter. Obviously, it didn't exactly go as planned. However, the Mallers have a second shot with this new tower.

It may be a little disorganized, but that is my explanation of why Kalani is the rat. What do you think?

[nikvoodoo]

Ok guys! I think I figured out who the rat is. I think my argument is pretty solid. Here it comes...


KALANI!

We first meet him at the Arena when Datu was captured by the zombies. Samantha says that she doesn't know who Kalani is and that he was there before she was brought there.

Kalani fakes an illness so the zombies don't pick him. Very deceitful!

Then, back at the tower during the party, I don't remember where Kalani was when everyone was getting drunk. I haven't had the chance to listen to it again before posting this, but even if he was in the scene, he wasn't there for very long. I think it was during the party that Kalani contacts his old pals, the Mallers.

Fast forward to when Angel and Kalani are getting the MRE's. Skittles says that he knows him from somewhere, but Kalani denies knowing him. If Kalani was really at the tower, wouldn't Kalani have known who Skittles was? And Skittles has already proven to have a good memory, having remembered the socks he received from Angel.
I think Kalani infiltrated the other Tower and then allowed the zombies in to kill everyone off. After that, the Mallers would have come in and taken all of the supplies or even the building as a new shelter. Obviously, it didn't exactly go as planned. However, the Mallers have a second shot with this new tower.

It may be a little disorganized, but that is my explanation of why Kalani is the rat. What do you think?

We don't know where Skittles came from. We assume he's from the Other Tower but we don't know that for certain.

And if Kalani is the rat and allowed Zombies into the previous Tower, why would he betray the Tower to the Mallers first and not the zombies? If the point is to rid the Tower of its occupants in order to let the Mallers take over, why do the Mallers even come to Tower in chapter 11/12? Everyone was drunk, all that needed to happen would be for someone to "accidentally" leave a door open, and take out Tommy so he can't report it.

Besides, if you're saying Kalani worked with the Mallers from the beginning it's adding something that the Mallers don't seem to excel at: Subtlety. They are very no nonsense straight forward people. This cloak and dagger stuff doesn't seem to suit them well. So I think our rat would be a Tower occupant who changes their mind and allies themselves with the Mallers. Not an active Maller participant.

But stay tuned, we're about to see how far an active Maller participant is when it comes to infiltration of the Tower (see: Pippen)

[Eviebae]

I say Tommy was, but not in the sense he did it on purpose, let me lay it down: You're a young boy, the only kid alone in a tower and your aunt is a huge bitch who never listens to you. What if by chance you begin to play with the radio and hear voices on the other end, the people begin to talk to you and they are (acting) nicely to you and talking to you, even giving you advice and making you feel better. You begin to tell them about what's been going on with your life and these new cameras you made (Durai couldn't have known where all of them were) soon you're alone because the adults are alone and you tell the person on the other end about this, soon you are caught and lie and say you never touched the radio and talked to them. That's why I think Tommy was an unintentional rat.

That's what I was thinking to a T. Would explain why they hadn't heard from him in awhile.

[wiffadabiffa]

The only thing that the so called "rat" did was talk to the Mallers, but you never know what they were talking about...
It was obvious that Angel and Scratch did have a "relationship" in the past, whether it was a sexual relationship or not, we don't know for sure...but it was definitely something. Personally, I think that Angel was talking to Scratch about something that may have happened in the past, or anything else. He couldn't have been a "rat" or could he???????? :S

And also...I don't know why anyone would "rat" on anyone to begin with. In a time of a zombie apcalypse...it is not cool -___-

[rottenash]

I believe it's Steven, he raised the stink to boot Lizzy and topple Burts Lead. A big crap distruber. He's always under the radar...has he even done anything to help out the tower?

[clarkie]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but Kelly's a lawyer, right? It could be possible that she knew one/some of the mallers from that.

I also noticed how she defended Pippin in 21-3.

As much as I hate to say it, I do think she's the rat.

[Rock Daddy]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but Kelly's a lawyer, right? It could be possible that she knew one/some of the mallers from that.

I also noticed how she defended Pippin in 21-3.

As much as I hate to say it, I do think she's the rat.

I also still believe Kelly is the rat, but I used to think it was 'cause she was just a spiteful bitch. LOL. Now that we see that she does have a kind soul, I think it's because she is being blackmailed into it. We don't know the fate of her sister (Tommy's Mother) She went missing during the outbreak. But what if, instead of being killed by zombies, she was held by mallers and used as a bargaining chip. We don't know everyone's back story. There was never mention of Tommy's father. For all we know, Tommy's father was in prison, and his mother had Kelly babysit the kids, while she went to visit him. Anything is possible.