Oh Happy Days!

[reaper239]

You're making a lot of assumptions. If you consider the only force of 'good' to be the residents of the tower, then yes you logic works. If you consider that everyone is simply trying to stay alive the only way they can, then your logic falls apart. Your sense of right and wrong is distorted through the lens of a one-sided storyline. I feel for you, bro. I feel for you. The residents stole from the mallers. There was a plan for that tanker from the beginning and that plan was quite clearly to destroy as many of the biters as they could. The residents fired the first shot and the mallers reacted accordingly. This isn't rocket science, it's just the nature of the world that the story is being told in.

So Pegs did wrong and she should be dealt with like the dog she is.

incorrect, my view of the we're alive story is through the lens of my own sense of right and wrong and has nothing to do with the story itself. personally i think all the mallers should be executed. they're criminals who acted agressively towards the tower. remember when durai shot out the cameras? first shot. and by your logic scratch and latch should have died when they drew down on saul lizzy and burt during the tanker incident.

what seperates man from beast is humanity. humanity is defending the defenseless from tyranny. i just wish pegs had more bullets and finnished scratch when she had the chance

[Miss]

I don't mean to de-rail the discussion, but that was a pretty impressive run-on sentence.

Im sorry that I spent most of my life being illiterete untill a few years ago and that my grammer skills arnt up to your standerds, but I was under the idea this wasnt a site about poor grammer skills but about a really awsome audiodrama

[HorrorHiro]

Cabbage Patch, I agree with your post. The Mallers operate under toddler mentality. "If I can see it its mine." "If you think its yours. Its mine" "If I touched it in the last day. Its mine" etc... How do you defend your self against a force that has already decided your stuff is theirs?

You can prove none of that.

[HorrorHiro]

incorrect, my view of the we're alive story is through the lens of my own sense of right and wrong and has nothing to do with the story itself. personally i think all the mallers should be executed. they're criminals who acted agressively towards the tower. remember when durai shot out the cameras? first shot. and by your logic scratch and latch should have died when they drew down on saul lizzy and burt during the tanker incident.

what seperates man from beast is humanity. humanity is defending the defenseless from tyranny. i just wish pegs had more bullets and finnished scratch when she had the chance

This is less about what we know and what we assume so can we all just agree to disagree until we actually know anything definitive or absolute about this antagonist?

[Osiris]

incorrect, my view of the we're alive story is through the lens of my own sense of right and wrong and has nothing to do with the story itself. personally i think all the mallers should be executed. they're criminals who acted agressively towards the tower. remember when durai shot out the cameras? first shot. and by your logic scratch and latch should have died when they drew down on saul lizzy and burt during the tanker incident.

what seperates man from beast is humanity. humanity is defending the defenseless from tyranny. i just wish pegs had more bullets and finnished scratch when she had the chance

Again, you failed to see my point. You also seem to consider Durai's actions as being the catalyst of it all. You are clearly wrong. The action which lead to all of it was Burt, Saul and Ditzy stealing the tanker. You are blind if you don't see that. By my logic Scratch and Latch should NOT have died when they drew on the three riders who had invaded their territory (ignorant of doing so or not). By my logic they were legitimately trying to protect what was theirs. Remember when Burt took a pot shot to show his prowess with a pistol? That happened long, long before Durai popped any cameras at the tower.

What separates man from beast is NOT humanity. It is the ability to communicate abstract thoughts and the need for comfort above all - albeit a western philosophy. Humanity is NOT defending the defenceless from tyranny. Humanity is the quality or condition of being human; human nature. As we all know human nature is to kill for what's mine. It has been since the dawn of time and will continue to be so long after you and I are both dust, my friend.

By nature humans are vile to each other. I take what is mine. I take what is yours if I want it. Don't mistake your personal ideals for those globally accepted as canon. You're deluding yourself to do so. Read a newspaper or pick up a history book. From the beginning of documented history people have been shitty assholes to each, often for no better reason than they disagreed.

[Ra1th]

Again, you failed to see my point. You also seem to consider Durai's actions as being the catalyst of it all. You are clearly wrong. The action which lead to all of it was Burt, Saul and Ditzy stealing the tanker. You are blind if you don't see that. By my logic Scratch and Latch should NOT have died when they drew on the three riders who had invaded their territory (ignorant of doing so or not). By my logic they were legitimately trying to protect what was theirs. Remember when Burt took a pot shot to show his prowess with a pistol? That happened long, long before Durai popped any cameras at the tower.

What separates man from beast is NOT humanity. It is the ability to communicate abstract thoughts and the need for comfort above all - albeit a western philosophy. Humanity is NOT defending the defenceless from tyranny. Humanity is the quality or condition of being human; human nature. As we all know human nature is to kill for what's mine. It has been since the dawn of time and will continue to be so long after you and I are both dust, my friend.

By nature humans are vile to each other. I take what is mine. I take what is yours if I want it. Don't mistake your personal ideals for those globally accepted as canon. You're deluding yourself to do so. Read a newspaper or pick up a history book. From the beginning of documented history people have been shitty assholes to each, often for no better reason than they disagreed.

I full on agree with this but I'd say the shot fired first wasn't so much durai taking out cameras, or Saul/Burt/Lizzy taking the tanker, but the mystery person who opened fire on the mallers right as the two sides were having a stand off. Until then there were other possibilities, maybe not possibilities that seemed appealing to either side, but possibilities other than direct warfare existed.

[Osiris]

I full on agree with this but I'd say the shot fired first wasn't so much durai taking out cameras, or Saul/Burt/Lizzy taking the tanker, but the mystery person who opened fire on the mallers right as the two sides were having a stand off. Until then there were other possibilities, maybe not possibilities that seemed appealing to either side, but possibilities other than direct warfare existed.

Right on, brotha.

[Ra1th]

I agree. People seem to ignore how aggressively violent they are. Yes, the tower fired at them, but then (Angel or Michael, can't remember) tried to explain to them that it was a rogue person. Plus how willing they are to kill all these innocent people and hold people slaves does not justify that they're "just trying to survive". Honestly, I feel more sympathy for the colony. While I feel that the chain of command was bad, I can also see the logic in it. The mallers have completely lost their since of humanity.

You're looking at this with a HEAVY bias in favor of the tower. In that situation both sides are on red alert, Michael and Durai were in a heated argument, they are on the verge of blows, ANY action that is considered even remotely aggressive would start a war. There is no "Wait we didn't mean that". Once those shots were fired, that sealed their fate. Think of it this way, you are about to be in a fight with another guy. You're both pissed and tensions are high, and you're in each other's faces, and then all out of no where you punch him in the face. After that point, you are now in a fight. It doesn't matter if your arm acted on its own, there are no "wait I didn't mean it" the fight will end when one of you is on the floor or if someone pulls you two apart. It's the same situation here. The tower was either sabotaged by the rat into fighting a war by the rat shooting on person, or some drunk tower resident shot. Either way it doesn't really matter, by that point the war had already begun. An even better example of this was in 1914, when Serbian militants assassinated Austria's Duke Ferdinand. It didn't really matter that the serbians who did it were acting on their own and not on orders from Serbia. Austria retaliated with war, and because of the alliances that had been set up at that point, every major European power was sucked into what we now call WWI.

From the maller's perspective, the tower opened fire on them, the tower declared war, the Mallers will retaliate.

[HorrorHiro]

You're looking at this with a HEAVY bias in favor of the tower. In that situation both sides are on red alert, Michael and Durai were in a heated argument, they are on the verge of blows, ANY action that is considered even remotely aggressive would start a war. There is no "Wait we didn't mean that". Once those shots were fired, that sealed their fate. Think of it this way, you are about to be in a fight with another guy. You're both pissed and tensions are high, and you're in each other's faces, and then all out of no where you punch him in the face. After that point, you are now in a fight. It doesn't matter if your arm acted on its own, there are no "wait I didn't mean it" the fight will end when one of you is on the floor or if someone pulls you two apart. It's the same situation here. The tower was either sabotaged by the rat into fighting a war by the rat shooting on person, or some drunk tower resident shot. Either way it doesn't really matter, by that point the war had already begun. An even better example of this was in 1914, when Serbian militants assassinated Austria's Duke Ferdinand. It didn't really matter that the serbians who did it were acting on their own and not on orders from Serbia. Austria retaliated with war, and because of the alliances that had been set up at that point, every major European power was sucked into what we now call WWI.

From the maller's perspective, the tower opened fire on them, the tower declared war, the Mallers will retaliate.

Majority of We're Alive listeners look at the We're Alive universe with a HEAVY bias in favor of the Tower. I highly doubt it was anyone's intention to make the Tower residence seem like the "good guys" but the simple fact that the story follows this particular group of survivors is enough for people to look at them with gold tinted glasses and easily justify any and everything the Tower residence or artists formerly known as Tower Residence do, have done, and most likely ever will do.

Kind of like that guy who calls himself a "patriot" simply because he'll jump to defend any and every action that can be linked to the United States. Whether it be the Vietnam War, the rest of the Cold War, nation building via imperialism etc...

[reaper239]

Again, you failed to see my point. You also seem to consider Durai's actions as being the catalyst of it all. You are clearly wrong. The action which lead to all of it was Burt, Saul and Ditzy stealing the tanker. You are blind if you don't see that. By my logic Scratch and Latch should NOT have died when they drew on the three riders who had invaded their territory (ignorant of doing so or not). By my logic they were legitimately trying to protect what was theirs. Remember when Burt took a pot shot to show his prowess with a pistol? That happened long, long before Durai popped any cameras at the tower.

What separates man from beast is NOT humanity. It is the ability to communicate abstract thoughts and the need for comfort above all - albeit a western philosophy. Humanity is NOT defending the defenceless from tyranny. Humanity is the quality or condition of being human; human nature. As we all know human nature is to kill for what's mine. It has been since the dawn of time and will continue to be so long after you and I are both dust, my friend.

By nature humans are vile to each other. I take what is mine. I take what is yours if I want it. Don't mistake your personal ideals for those globally accepted as canon. You're deluding yourself to do so. Read a newspaper or pick up a history book. From the beginning of documented history people have been shitty assholes to each, often for no better reason than they disagreed.

by you're logic the tower folks were also fully justified in all their actions. in fact you can't say that anyones actions are wrong because they all fall under the rubric of "doing what one must to survive" so the reality is you have a bias against the tower people. now that's fine but don't try to pass it off as saying that you are logical and i am not when your own statements violate the very tenants of your philosophy. unfortunately you also seem to have a very twisted view of human nature as i for one and most people i know for two don't line up with your human nature. the people who do line up with that view tend to be criminals, and the exact same people who make up the mallers.